We choose Jesus or Jesus choose us

[trofimus]

You Said God save only His Children. That mean His children It was unsave. So there are unsave children and there are unsave non children and God only save unsave children is that right?

Well, technically, its more precise to say: God decided to save some of the fallen creation by making some of them His children.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yep God do some thing with a good reason and the reason is love, just etc

Is there any other attributes you have studied about God other than love? Sheesh.

 

[SovereignGrace]

1. I am not able to make death people a live,

BINGO!!!!! However, God can and does. And until He does, they'll remain spiritually dead, even whilst physically alive.

 

[Jackson123]

But it was because they were sheep they did this. It wasn't because they did it and then became sheep.

You continually have the effect before the cause.

I do believe God seperate them because what they did. In the bible God say whosoever believe Will save, mean save because believe.

Learn from deut 11 model

13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the Lord your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,
14 That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

If you obey my command I bless you paralel with If you feed Me etc I put you in heaven

 

[trofimus]

I do believe God seperate them because what they did. In the bible God say whosoever believe Will save, mean save because believe.

Learn from deut 11 model

13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the Lord your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,
14 That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

If you obey my command I bless you paralel with If you feed Me etc I put you in heaven

But why they did what they did? You just need to go one step back in the chain.

Why is somebody "good" and somebody "bad"? Why somebody believes and some does not? Why somebody does what is right and somebody does not?

 

[SovereignGrace]

I do believe God seperate them because what they did. In the bible God say whosoever believe Will save, mean save because believe.

Learn from deut 11 model

13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the Lord your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,
14 That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

If you obey my command I bless you paralel with If you feed Me etc I put you in heaven

This given to His covenant ppl, not the whole world indiscriminately.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I do believe God seperate them because what they did.

Then, according to you, God is a respecter of ppl. The Bible says differently in Acts 10:34 & Romans 2:11.

Brother, your theology is all over the place.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Both.
He loved (chose) us first, chose the world excluding no one. Then we are free to love (choose) Him in reciprocation. Before I was married, I chose several girls, and dated them. Only one accepted me to marry. Her choice toward me, because of my choice toward her. Evidently my character drew her to me, but in the end it was still her choice. If she had refused, it isn't because I didn't want her, it would have still been her choice.

Thats a excellent observation, reminds me of Noah, God only came to him about the pending flood, and the rest of the world had to choose to believe that one man, the world laughed at Naoh and in the end only Naoh and his family boarded the ark. indeed God knew the world wasn't going to believe Noah's words but God gave them around a 100 years to decide to believe or not to believe.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Thats a excellent observation, reminds me of Noah, God only came to him about the pending flood, and the rest of the world had to choose to believe that one man, the world laughed at Naoh and in the end only Naoh and his family boarded the ark. indeed God knew the world wasn't going to believe Noah's words but God gave them around a 100 years to decide to believe or not to believe.

The dice you rolled came up on 'snake eyes'. Roll'em again.

 

[Zmouth]

Salvation/election is a gift, not a forcing.

But tell me, were you forced to be born physically?

That is why it's called 'labor'

 

[IamWhoIam]

The dice you rolled came up on 'snake eyes'. Roll'em again.

That is quite rude of you to say, I see you made your choice as well.

 

[trofimus]

That is why it's called 'labor'

You mean "work out your salvation"? Yeah, but who will work it out? The ones who are given the grace

 

[SovereignGrace]

That is quite rude of you to say, I see you made your choice as well.

You completely missed Noah's account. He found grace(unmerited favor) in God's sight. It wasn't anything special in Noah what caused God to show him grace. If there was a reason why God chose him over the rest, it's no longer grace, but merit that Noah found in God's sight.

 

[SovereignGrace]

That is quite rude of you to say, I see you made your choice as well.

Brother forgive me. It's just that I am seeing all these falsehoods where ppl state do this or that and God then will do this or that. That's not grace but merit.

 

[IamWhoIam]

You completely missed Noah's account. He found grace(unmerited favor) in God's sight. It wasn't anything special in Noah what caused God to show him grace. If there was a reason why God chose him over the rest, it's no longer grace, but merit that Noah found in God's sight.

That is better Sir, yes God found favor Noah I never said God did not,,, what you mentioned above was solely about Noah and nothing on the people's choice of not believing in Noah that is what you completely missed.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Brother forgive me. It's just that I am seeing all these falsehoods where ppl state do this or that and God then will do this or that. That's not grace but merit.

Its quite ok brother I forgive you,

the OT is based on merit, that is why the Ten Commandments was given, when God sent His only Son that happened out of the grace of God.

 

[SovereignGrace]

That is better Sir, yes God found favor Noah I never said God did not,,, what you mentioned above was solely about Noah and nothing on the people's choice of not believing in Noah that is what you completely missed.

You missed the point again. God saw that man's heart was continually evil. Yet, Noah found grace in His sight. This has zero to do with Noah. It's about God having mercy upon whom He will have mercy. He had mercy on Noah and seven other ppl, the rest He left to themselves.

 

[IamWhoIam]

You missed the point again. God saw that man's heart was continually evil. Yet, Noah found grace in His sight. This has zero to do with Noah. It's about God having mercy upon whom He will have mercy. He had mercy on Noah and seven other ppl, the rest He left to themselves.

That is your opinion, surely God allows everyone their own opinion.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Its quite ok brother I forgive you,

the OT is based on merit, that is why the Ten Commandments was given, when God sent His only Son that happened out of the grace of God.

I don't think merit is what the 10 commandments were about. It was God's way of showing ppl how unable they were able to keep themselves. It was God's way of showing them it was His way or no way.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

If God chose everybody, everybody's saved.

GOD chose the method any one can be saved and that was grace through faith but GOD Is a gentleman and will not make anyone get saved but HE did make a way for whomsoever will believe In HIS WORD that HE sent to this world manifested In the flesh and to us man must choose to believe the WORD of GOD.

Many are called but few are chosen.