We choose Jesus or Jesus choose us

[Jackson123]

1Because Bible says so. And our daily experience, too.


2.I was not wearing any wedding dress while receiving faith in Him. Of course its an image. An image of election.



3. Or course God has good reasons for His election and does not do it in random. He does what His wisdom leads Him to do. Its more a mathematical precision, a great symphony, indeed nothing blindly random.

1. Not God is love that what bible say and love not play favor. You believe that because st Agustin say so. I do not believe that because bible say God is love.

2. How do you know wedding dress image of election? The story tell they are not elected because not wear the wedding dress, your interpretation is all the way around

3. And the reason is for God so love the world so whoever believe will save

 

[trofimus]

1. Not God is love that what bible say and love not play favor. You believe that because st Agustin say so. I do not believe that because bible say God is love.

If I remember correctly, i have read 4 or 5 books by Augustine, but it was after I accepted predestination, election etc, not before.

Bible convicted me about the reformed theology.

2. How do you know wedding dress image of election? The story tell they are not elected because not wear the wedding dress, your interpretation is all the way around

Where can you buy this wedding dress? Tell me.

3. And the reason is for God so love the world so whoever believe will save

This verse does not say why some people believe and some not, as repeated many times in this discussion. Other verses do.

 

[Jackson123]

1 If I remember correctly, i have read 4 or 5 books by Augustine, but it was after I accepted predestination, election etc, not before.

2 Bible convicted me about the reformed theology.


3 Where can you buy this wedding dress? Tell me.


4 This verse does not say why some people believe and some not, as repeated many times in this discussion. Other verses do.

1. You learn from Calvinist church and Calvin learn from agustin

2. But Bible convince me that Jesus is love

3. Wedding dress is just a symbol of believing in Jesus, you do not need to buy

4. Read other verse, faith or believe come from hearing.

 

[trofimus]

1. You learn from Calvinist church and Calvin learn from agustin

Which calvinist church do you mean?

All I said in this discussion was from the Bible, I have not quoted Calvin nor Augustin to prove anything. So why do you care about them?

2. But Bible convince me that Jesus is love

He is also a lion from Judah. And lions are quite dangerous.

3. Wedding dress is just a symbol of believing in Jesus, you do not need to buy

How do you get faith?

4. Read other verse, faith or believe come from hearing.

Read other verse, not all who are hearing believe. So hearing does not produce faith in everybody. Only in the elect ones.

 

[Jackson123]

1 Which calvinist church do you mean?

2 All I said in this discussion was from the Bible, I have not quoted Calvin nor Augustin to prove anything. So why do you care about them?


3 He is also a lion from Judah. And lions are quite dangerous.


4 How do you get faith?


5 Read other verse, not all who are hearing believe. So hearing does not produce faith in everybody. Only in the elect ones.

1. I do not know wich, you never tell me

2. Yep, bible interprate by Calvin and you believe his interpretation

3. It only symbol, lion love His children, Jesus love His creation

4. Exactly like the bible say, faith come from hearing.

5. Hearing produce faith who believe, then become elect, whosoever believe Will be save/ elect

 

[trofimus]

1. I do not know wich, you never tell me

Thats why I wonder what you are talking about, because I do not attend any calvinist church.

2. Yep, bible interprate by Calvin and you believe his interpretation

Uhm? I have you only Bible verses and explained the context, I do not recall using any Calvin's interpretations.

3. It only symbol, lion love His children, Jesus love His creation

That symbol means something different than love in the context.

4. Exactly like the bible say, faith come from hearing.

Not in all, Only in the elect ones, thats the context of this verse.

5. Hearing produce faith who believe, then become elect, whosoever believe Will be save/ elect

This sentence does not give any sense.

 

[Jackson123]

1 Thats why I wonder what you are talking about, because I do not attend any calvinist church.


2 Uhm? I have you only Bible verses and explained the context, I do not recall using any Calvin's interpretations.


3 That symbol means something different than love in the context.


4 Not in all, Only in the elect ones, thats the context of this verse.


5 This sentence does not give any sense.

1. Your believe look like calvinist

2. But your interpretation is like calvinist

3. What ever symbol, God is love is the very essence of God atribute why God just? Because He love. Read Matt 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

read verse 40 all the law hang oN love, because God love He produce law base oN love

4. He elect who believe Him, He save who believe

5. That sentence base oN the bible, It may non sense for you, but It make a sense for me AS binle believer

 

[trofimus]

5. That sentence base oN the bible, It may non sense for you, but It make a sense for me AS binle believer

Actually, you are not a Bible believer. You are a few Bible verses believer.

I will probably end this, it leads nowhere.

 

[Jackson123]

Actually, you are not a Bible believer. You are a few Bible verses believer.

I will probably end this, it leads nowhere.

thank for the discussion I am Sorry I fail to show you that your believe system accused God do not love all, The only I can do is

ask Holy spirit tell you that Jesus love all.

 

[Jackson123]

Actually, you are not a Bible believer. You are a few Bible verses believer.

I will probably end this, it leads nowhere.

let me remind you Jesus say all the law (law of God) base oN love. And all the law of God is inline not againt each other.

so If you believe in God is love, you Will believe all the law.