Desensitization.

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kaylagrl

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Desensitization. I cannot imagine anyone calling acts like Susan Smith, Jeffery Dummier anything but evil. But I was thinking tonight about a post earlier about what is adultery, and someone said adultery is a physical act and what Y-shua said that a person who has lusted in their mind has committed adultery, but everyone lusts so lust is not adultery (I am paraphrasing). (Just an example this can go on and on)

When did we arrive that we know more than our Lord and Savior. That we decide what is sin instead of G-d? We are to work out our own salvation, yet G-d calls us to do His will and purpose. So, is working out our Salvation our definition of sin and make G-d fit, or is it G-d’s definition of sin and we make our flesh/ hearts/ minds fit him?

Simple answer? We fit Him! Done.
 

FlSnookman7

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Well the Jewish rabbis of His day certainly did not acknowledge this, and mocked and derided Christ as one who had "no learning" in their rabbinic schools. However, His disciples acknowledge Him as Rabbi, and addressed Him as such. But they also saw Him as much more than a mere rabbi. They believed that He was indeed the Son of God.
Well.....

Luke 4:14-15 14 [FONT=&quot]And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.[/FONT]
 

hornetguy

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Well.....

Luke 4:14-15 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Yes, that certainly indicates he was a highly respected rabbi...
 
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Nicodemus, who was a pharisee, called Jesus "Rabbi":

John 3:

1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

 

graceNpeace

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Nicodemus, who was a pharisee, called Jesus "Rabbi":

John 3:

1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Nicodemus is using the term 'Rabbi' as a term of respect as well as a recognition that Jesus had a very unusual level of knowledge and authority as a teacher.
However, Jesus was never a Rabbi in the sense that he had been instructed from His youth under the tutelage of other Rabbi's and had therefore gained 'formal' recognition as a Rabbi.
Jesus' popularity (fickle and fleeting as it was) as a teacher stems from the fact that He did NOT teach like other Rabbi's or the scribes.
Also, His authority as a teacher came not from the recognition that He had rabbinical training (He did not) but from His person and His divinity.
 

Desertsrose

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I am not smart enough to know what an OP is... but maybe I am wording it wrong...

So many times people quote the Scripture let us work out our own salvation. Yet the church is so sick with porn, adultery, unforgiveness, depression. Why because sin is so downgraded... G-d says be holy because I am holy. Yet we do not know is porn a sin or not? Y-shua said murder is anger in your heart. I am not hard He is. Do we justify sin with the twisting of Scripture because judge sin by our definitions' of it instead of Y-shua's, G-d's?
Hi mcubed.

I was part of a messianic synagogue for a couple years. The reason they type G-d is because they always treated God's name with honor and respect.

The vowels were an issue because they lost the pronunciation of YHWH over the years and without vowels they weren't exactly sure how to pronounce Yahweh's name.

So anytime they use the word G-d, they revere His name by trying not to blaspheme His name by saying it incorrectly. In fact, if you speak with an Orthodox Jew, they will not say Yahweh.

During the Messianic service they would say, "bless the name."
 
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Desertsrose

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John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.
 

Magenta

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Hebrew does not have vowels :)
 

FlSnookman7

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Nicodemus is using the term 'Rabbi' as a term of respect as well as a recognition that Jesus had a very unusual level of knowledge and authority as a teacher.
However, Jesus was never a Rabbi in the sense that he had been instructed from His youth under the tutelage of other Rabbi's and had therefore gained 'formal' recognition as a Rabbi.
Jesus' popularity (fickle and fleeting as it was) as a teacher stems from the fact that He did NOT teach like other Rabbi's or the scribes.Also, His authority as a teacher came not from the recognition that He had rabbinical training (He did not) but from His person and His divinity.
Not sure where you got this but it is untrue. Knowledge of jewish tradition shows us that without rabbinical training nothing Jesus said would have caused much of a stir at all. It is the fact that He had such authority that caused jews at the time to listen to Him and caused those in power (pharasees etc) to fear Him. He was teaching with authority that the way they were doing things was insufficient and that was a threat to their power. Paul also studied under one of the most famous rabbis of his day and thats why when he said something people listened.
 

graceNpeace

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Not sure where you got this but it is untrue. Knowledge of jewish tradition shows us that without rabbinical training nothing Jesus said would have caused much of a stir at all. It is the fact that He had such authority that caused jews at the time to listen to Him and caused those in power (pharasees etc) to fear Him. He was teaching with authority that the way they were doing things was insufficient and that was a threat to their power. Paul also studied under one of the most famous rabbis of his day and thats why when he said something people listened.
You 'theory' remains a theory - completely unsupported by Scriptural evidence...
 

graceNpeace

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You 'theory' remains a theory - completely unsupported by Scriptural evidence...
Paul, was trained as a Rabbi under Gamaliel and the evidence for that is uncontestable(Acts 22:3)!
There is no evidence, at all, that Jesus was trained as a Rabbi...
 

Desertsrose

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Hebrew does not have vowels :)
They do, they don’t use them when they write. For anyone interested, here’s a chart. I took a couple classes of Hebrew, but I didn’t keep at it. I was hoping that one day I’d visit Israel. :) As the Jews say, “Next year in Jerusalem!”

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notuptome

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They do, they don’t use them when they write. For anyone interested, here’s a chart. I took a couple classes of Hebrew, but I didn’t keep at it. I was hoping that one day I’d visit Israel. :) As the Jews say, “Next year in Jerusalem!”

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A truly valuable resource when engaging in conversational ancient Hebrew.

The Jews have been arguing their own scriptures among themselves for millennia.

For the cause of Christ
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Nicodemus is using the term 'Rabbi' as a term of respect as well as a recognition that Jesus had a very unusual level of knowledge and authority as a teacher.
However, Jesus was never a Rabbi in the sense that he had been instructed from His youth under the tutelage of other Rabbi's and had therefore gained 'formal' recognition as a Rabbi.
Jesus' popularity (fickle and fleeting as it was) as a teacher stems from the fact that He did NOT teach like other Rabbi's or the scribes.
Also, His authority as a teacher came not from the recognition that He had rabbinical training (He did not) but from His person and His divinity.
I know Jesus did not have the formal training traditionally required.

I just found it interesting that a pharisee referred to Jesus as "Rabbi".
 

mcubed

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Hi mcubed.

I was part of a messianic synagogue for a couple years. The reason they type G-d is because they always treated God's name with honor and respect.

The vowels were an issue because they lost the pronunciation of YHWH over the years and without vowels they weren't exactly sure how to pronounce Yahweh's name.

So anytime they use the word G-d, they revere His name by trying not to blaspheme His name by saying it incorrectly. In fact, if you speak with an Orthodox Jew, they will not say Yahweh.

During the Messianic service they would say, "bless the name."

Hashem - The Name
 
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They do, they don’t use them when they write. For anyone interested, here’s a chart. I took a couple classes of Hebrew, but I didn’t keep at it. I was hoping that one day I’d visit Israel. :) As the Jews say, “Next year in Jerusalem!”
I was wondering how they could talk, if they didn't have vowels! Thanks for the information. :)
 
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joefizz

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I do not know it truly is mystery !
not really particularly the Jewish take out vowels concerning God's name so as to not say his whole name as a sign of respect,so in saying his name they would say something like instead of God,G-D,or instead of Lord,L-RD.
 

Magenta

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They do, they don’t use them when they write. For anyone interested, here’s a chart. I took a couple classes of Hebrew, but I didn’t keep at it. I was hoping that one day I’d visit Israel. :) As the Jews say, “Next year in Jerusalem!”

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Diacritical marks, also known as ancillary glyphs or niqqud, are not vowels. Written Hebrew does not have vowels. The cantillation marks help with the pronunciation of vowels, the most widespread one in use being the one developed by the Masoretes in the second half of the first millennium.