Is it right for Christains to reject the “Feast of Tabernacles?”

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tanakh

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I would be interested to know from a reputable historic source exactly which Gentile Christians actually kept all the Jewish feasts including tabernacles from the start of the post apostolic era to the present day outside the Messianic roots movement.
 

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Christians do not have to go by the feast of tabernacles,and since the heathen have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship the LORD,it was a very important occurrence to observe in the Old Testament.

Jesus took the physical ordinances out of the way,nailing them to His cross,for they were contrary to us,because they could not provide spiritual salvation,so let no person judge you concerning the physical ordinances of Israel.

Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law and prophets,but to fulfill them,which He is the perfect King,High Priest,Saint,Prophet,temple,sacrifice,and whatever else He had to fulfill.

But He did not fulfill the role of the perfect King on earth,which He will do in the millennial reign of Christ,and then heaven and earth shall pass away.

We go by love God,and love people,in the New Testament,and all the law and prophets hang on those 2 laws,which Jesus fulfilled,and will fulfill the role of perfect King in the future.

The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews at that time,and He said the Father will do it in His time,but be concerned with preaching the Gospel.

Israel is blinded in part,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,and so all Israel shall be saved.

God will give the world 7 years to cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and bring Israel to the truth.

God said He would bring back the captivity of Jacob,the whole house of Israel,and will not leave any of the Jews in the nations anymore.

The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and it will pace the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews and Gentiles will be separated.

After three and one half years the man of sin claims to be God,and the Jews Messiah,and will address the world that he harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,evolved,and convince all those that do not love God that he has the solution for peace to be on earth,and when the world takes the mark of the beast,then repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to the Gentiles,and the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

God will send the Jews 2 witnesses and turn the nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah for three and one half years.

After that period,the beast and the world attacks the Jews on their land,and God comes back with all His saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel,and so all Israel shall be saved,and physical Israel is spiritual Israel as a nation.

God said He is going to make a full end of all Gentile nations,but will not make a full end of Israel,but will not leave them wholly unpunished,and when they have borne their shame,the kingdom will be restored to Israel,and the heathen shall know that God hid His face from Israel,because of their sins and iniquities against Him,but was actually on Israel's side all along,and when they have borne their shame,the kingdom will be restored to Israel,and they shall know the LORD their God from that day forward,and God will never hide His face from them.

God said as long as the ordinances in heaven are in affect,the sun,and moon,and stars,Israel will not cease from being a nation,which they never did cease from being God's people,and a nation,for Israel is the Church,and a Gentile is a Jew inward,and becomes part of the commonwealth of Israel,but it is a temporary set back of the kingdom on earth being Israel.

Israel is spiritual now,and have been ever since Jesus ascended to heaven,for there were Jews that followed Him in the truth,the same as today.

If some Jews reject,no matter the number,Israel is still spiritual,for Jesus said salvation is of the Jews,and the New Testament was given to them,and the Gentiles get to be along for the ride,which in the Spirit there is no difference between the Jew,and Gentile,and Peter said that God is no respecter of persons,but all who seek after Him and His righteousness is accepted by Him.

It is Israel from the start of Abraham,to the New Jerusalem,and the 12 tribes of Israel,and the 12 apostles of the Lamb are written in the New Jerusalem.

The heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship the King,and keep the feast of tabernacles,and the reason they have to keep the feast of tabernacles is because they took the mark of the beast,and cannot have spiritual salvation,and the Holy Spirit,so they have to keep the feast of tabernacles to keep them right with God.

The saints in glorified bodies during the millennial reign do not have to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Since the heathen took the mark of the beast,and have no chance at salvation,they still have punishment coming when the millennial reign is over,for God postponed it until the reign is over so Jesus and the saints can rule over the heathen,and there will be no operating Gentile government,or nation,but only Israel.

Satan is bound in the bottomless pit for the 1000 years,and there is peace on earth,and then is loosed after the 1000 years,and deceives the heathen to go against the saints,and when they go against the saints,then they receive punishment,and God reigns fire down on them,and consumes them.

The feast of tabernacles is not for the saints,but for the heathen in the millennial reign of Christ.
So now the heathens are to obey God's Word, and the non heathens don't have to be obedient. The heathens must love God more than the believers in Christ. I haven't deducted that from scripture.

"Therefore thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway. (Deuteronomy 11:1)

Evidently Israel was heathen and kept the Lord's commandments. Maybe that's why they were rejects.

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15)

The commandment of Jesus must be different than His own Father's. Jesus must have forsaken His Father's will, and that's why He died because He said that His Father had rejected Him on the cross. (Matthew 27:46)

What you present is confusing. Therefore my response is confusing. Was Jesus' ministry for the purpose of changing His Father's instructions?
So God nailed His own Word to the cross to be killed, and now God's previous words are of no effect? How is that? I thought it was our sins that were nailed to the cross through Christ Jesus.

Evidently God changed His ways because of His rebellious Son. Wait a minute, that ain't right because Jesus said, "When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things."
 

unobtrusive

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I would be interested to know from a reputable historic source exactly which Gentile Christians actually kept all the Jewish feasts including tabernacles from the start of the post apostolic era to the present day outside the Messianic roots movement.
Some may have started out right, but I find no sects of people that actually continued. Nevertheless, I'm sure some individuals were consistent until death. It's nice that God looks at the heart different that humans. We cannot see that deep.
 

MarcR

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I would be interested to know from a reputable historic source exactly which Gentile Christians actually kept all the Jewish feasts including tabernacles from the start of the post apostolic era to the present day outside the Messianic roots movement.

There are in fact none such; but, of course you realize that.

I think that unobtrusive's question focused on Sukkot because of the prophesy concerning Tabernacles in Zec 14.
 

unobtrusive

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"Is it right for Christains to reject the “Feast of Tabernacles?”

Yes. We do not live by premature images, but by reality in Christ.

The feast isn't born yet, or we see it as born too soon, after God delivered it on time better than 2500 years ago. How does that work?
 

unobtrusive

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There are in fact none such; but, of course you realize that.

I think that unobtrusive's question focused on Sukkot because of the prophesy concerning Tabernacles in Zec 14.
Yes, we should be rehearsing it, not physically, but with spiritual understanding, because that's one thing that a convocation describes... (a rehearsal).

There are spiritual representations in the foliage, and the offerings. I find it fascinating. The roof covering, tree branches for stability, and the walls, all describe cohesive parts leading to salvation. What was used for each part is actually a representation of the beauty and protection of our Lord and Saviour. He wants us to keep on seeing this through His millennial reign. Amen brother, that's why I started this thread.

BTW, the the quantities of offerings through the 7 days are also spiritual. They entail past, present, and future, that denotes eternal in many cases.
 

Nehemiah6

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I thought you believed all the feasts sacifices and ceremonies come back though? Is that not the standard dispensationalist package?
Yes, they do come back in the Millennium (and beyond) but that is only AFTER the second coming of Christ and AFTER the Battle of Armageddon. We are presently in the Church Age, and Israel has not been redeemed and restored, nor is there a Millennial temple in Jerusalem, nor is Christ literally and physically the King of the whole earth. I guess you can now see the value of Dispensationalism. Prophecies are not dismissed, and neither are they applied to the wrong period of time.

And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. (Zech 14:16).
 

Nehemiah6

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If I were a Jew, should I reject these things according to your traditions? If so, that induces an anti-Semitic hostile gospel.
If you were a discerning saved Jew (Hebrew Christian) during the Church Age, you would understand that unless the second coming of Christ is an accomplished fact, many prophecies must be held in abeyance, and that the feast of tabernacles belonged to the Old Covenant, therefore it has no significance to Christians. Christ is the REALITY portrayed in the types and shadows and sacrifices of the Old Covenant.
 

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If you were a discerning saved Jew (Hebrew Christian) during the Church Age, you would understand that unless the second coming of Christ is an accomplished fact, many prophecies must be held in abeyance, and that the feast of tabernacles belonged to the Old Covenant, therefore it has no significance to Christians. Christ is the REALITY portrayed in the types and shadows and sacrifices of the Old Covenant.
Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles and the Last Great Day are all future still to be fulfilled, starting with Yahshua's return at Trumpets, the day and feast no man knows the day or hour;

Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah) – Yahshua's return, the resurrection/transformation of the elect.


Psalm 81:3, “Blow a shophar (trumpet) in the New moon, in the covering for the day of our festival.”


Revelation 8:2, "And I saw the seven messengers who stand before Yah, and to them were given seven trumpets."


Revelation 5:5-6, “And one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. See, the Lion of the tribe of Yehuḏah, the Root of Dawiḏ, overcame to open the scroll and to loosen its seven seals.” And I looked and saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders a Lamb standing, as having been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of Yah sent out into all the earth.”


Revelation 11:15, “And the seventh messenger sounded his trumpet, and there came to be loud voices in the heaven, saying, “The reign of this world has become the reign of our Master, and of His Messiah, and He shall reign forever and ever!”


1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”



Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000, as our current world is temporary and Yahshua’s kingdom is eternal


Leviticus 23:34-36, “Speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘On the fifteenth day of this seventh new moon is the Festival of Sukkote for seven days to יהוה. On the first day is a set-apart gathering, you do no servile work. For seven days you bring an offering made by fire to יהוה. On the eighth day there shall be a set-apart gathering for you, and you shall bring an offering made by fire to יהוה. It is a closing festival, you do no servile work.”


Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away.”


tabernacle” is word #G4633 σκηνή skene (skee-nee') n.1. a tent or cloth hut., 2. (of God, Yahweh) a tabernacle., {literally or figuratively}, [apparently akin to G4632 and G4639], KJV: habitation, tabernacle , See also: G4639, G4632
 

Nehemiah6

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Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles and the Last Great Day are all future still to be fulfilled, starting with Yahshua's return at Trumpets, the day and feast no man knows the day or hour

That is exactly what I am saying. Since this is all future, it has no significance to Christians during the Church Age. Our focus must be on Christ -- crucified, entombed, resurrected, and exalted at the right hand of the Father. This is the Gospel Age, when the Mosaic Covenant cannot be revived.

 

Hizikyah

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That is exactly what I am saying. Since this is all future, it has no significance to Christians during the Church Age. Our focus must be on Christ -- crucified, entombed, resurrected, and exalted at the right hand of the Father. This is the Gospel Age, when the Mosaic Covenant cannot be revived.

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Mat 25:13“Watch therefore, because you do not know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Aḏam is coming,"

If His first coming was the fiest 3 Feasts and His second coiming is the last 4 Feasts I think it important to me. Paul said;

1 Thessalonians 5:1, "But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that I should write to you."

Paul said this because it was commonly know in his day and particularly known by him;

Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this Feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”

Acts 27:9, “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the Day of Atonement. So Paul warned them.”

Day of Atonement” is word #G3521 in Strong's Concordance – nésteia, nésteia: fasting, a fast, Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: nésteia, Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah), Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement, Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.

Acts 20:16, “Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.”

Matthew 25:1-13, "25:1“Then the reign of the heavens shall be compared to ten maidens who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom."25:2“And five of them were wise, and five foolish."25:3“Those who were foolish, having taken their lamps, took no oil with them,"25:4but the wise took oil in their containers with their lamps."25:5“Now while the bridegroom took time, they all slumbered and slept."25:6“And at midnight a cry was heard, ‘See, the bridegroom is coming, go out to meet him!’"25:7“Then all those maidens rose up and trimmed their lamps."25:8“And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’"25:9“But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, indeed, there would not be enough for us and you. Instead, go to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’"25:10“And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast, and the door was shut."25:11“And later the other maidens also came, saying, ‘Master, Master, open up for us!’"25:12“But he answering, said, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’"25:13“Watch therefore, because you do not know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Aḏam is coming,"
 

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If you were a discerning saved Jew (Hebrew Christian) during the Church Age, you would understand that unless the second coming of Christ is an accomplished fact, many prophecies must be held in abeyance, and that the feast of tabernacles belonged to the Old Covenant, therefore it has no significance to Christians. Christ is the REALITY portrayed in the types and shadows and sacrifices of the Old Covenant.
Let's see if I have this right, according to your doctrinal beliefs. Between the 1st and 2nd advent, all writings of both law and prophets, of the Tanakh (the Old Testament) are on hold? In other words, between these two said events, all Biblical celebrations cease. In your opinion, is that what Jesus and the apostles really taught? I've never noticed that philosophy explained in scripture.
 
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trofimus

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"The Feast of Tabernacles is a “Holy Convocation (a rehearsal) that will be observed in the millennial reign of Christ, every year."

Where is it written in the Bible?
 
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"The Feast of Tabernacles is a “Holy Convocation (a rehearsal) that will be observed in the millennial reign of Christ, every year."

Where is it written in the Bible?
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
 

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Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Can you use lets say two main verses? I started with Zec 14 and saw nothing about the topic, then jumped to the end with Rom 11 and again nothing about millenium or tabernacles.

So, for the sake of time effectivity, what is your main verse or two?
 

unobtrusive

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"The Feast of Tabernacles is a “Holy Convocation (a rehearsal) that will be observed in the millennial reign of Christ, every year."

Where is it written in the Bible?
The descriptive time it is observed in the millennium is written in Zechariah 14. In contest, a person must read the entire chapter, verse 1 through 21. Verse 16-19 of this chapter mention this specific feast.

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord. On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; (Leviticus 23:34-36a)

The first and last days are convocations, enhancing our thoughts toward the sustenance of God through Christ, all week long, and throughout the entire year until the next convocation is called.


Convocation has a definition. It is not a word that we normally use in English conversations these days. This word is of Latin origin, translated from the Hebrew word, "
miqra" ... English, the "calling of assemblies."

מִקְרָא miqrâʼ, mik-raw'; something called out, i.e. a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal:—assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

Acts 14:27 is a good example of "convocation."
"And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles."

Greek "Rehearsed" = ἄρχομαι árchomai,(through the implication, of precedence); to commence (in order of time):—(rehearse from the) begin(-ning). in extension, to be the first to do (anything), to begin.
A convocation (from the Latin convocare meaning "to call/come together", a translation of the Greek ἐκκλησία ekklēsia) is a group of people formally assembled for a special purpose, mostly ecclesiastical or academic.

So a "convocation" is to come together so as to recognize the relevance of what is presented to the assembly. It is actually a "time of worship."

A play is rehearsed by the players involved before the actual show is preformed. They do not rehearse after the play.

Tabernacles is a convocation, preparing God's true children for the millennial Kingdom reign of Jesus Christ on this earth. In relation, for example, "Unleavened Bread" is also a convocation, for the purpose of recognizing a "new beginning"...Being "Born Again."

Believe it or not, Nicodemus didn't recognize these facts until Jesus enlightened him, and being "born again" is a continuous way of life, NOT something that only happened in the past. We should "rehearse" our new life on a daily basis. "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." (Luke 9:23b)

"Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:10-12)

Convocations are for our spiritual sustenance as we daily walk with our Lord Jesus Christ. "Take my yoke upon you and learn of me."

 
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NayborBear

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For me, anyways, I see these "booths", or "tabernacles", referred to in the O.T., as "the closet", where one worships in private, BY FAITH these days, as these "Acts", that The God of Israel, had done, for Israel, were SEEN...BY THEM! Oh how much more blessed people are these days, because we, HAVE NOT SEEN!...YET (still) BELIEVE! I contend that this/these same "booths", is/are, the where one's "work out their salvation, with fear and trembling!" To be rewarded "in public", such as forums like these, which one could justify, as akin to the Jewish synagogues of Old Testament times!

The "blood sacrifices" (outward/flesh), to even which God Himself, decried as becoming an unworthy sacrifice, as smoke, in my nose!" Are NOW "covered, or made hidden", FROM The Father, IN Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior! SOME, of which, "the Love which covers a multitude of sins"! Some? Are not covered! What that verse doesn't say, is that "Love overcomes ALL sin/s!" To which in some people's eyes, that I've met over the years, in a various amount of "churches of stone", I've had opportune to visit, in these eyes (anyway), the sin/s that love does not cover, are deemed as so small, or of such small significance, as to delete the remainder? To paraphrase 1 of Paul's retorts, in the answering of 1 his arguments in his explanations concerning Salvation, unto the gentiles, and Jews?
"What!?!...Are ya trying to BE Goofy?!?...Or, does it just come NATURAL to ya?"
As ya can probably surmise, Paul was addressing Himself, as well as the people he was teaching/preaching to.

 

trofimus

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The feast isn't born yet, or we see it as born too soon, after God delivered it on time better than 2500 years ago. How does that work?
Do you feel hungry or thirsty? We have very much a feast, we lack nothing.
 

tanakh

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Some may have started out right, but I find no sects of people that actually continued. Nevertheless, I'm sure some individuals were consistent until death. It's nice that God looks at the heart different that humans. We cannot see that deep.
Your reply ''Some may have started out right'' infers that those who didnt went wrong. By this I assume that you believe that most of the millions of Jews and christians have disobeyed God. In 70Ad the temple was destroyed. As it was the centre of Jewish worship that all the festivals were associated with then surely it follows that God no longer wanted anyone to observe Festivals as prescribed in the Torah otherwise the Temple would still be standing today. The Temple Festivals and sacrifices were shadows and patterns of Christs work.

A careful reading of Ezekiel reveals that the Temple described in such detail was promised on condition of obedience to Gods laws. That didn't happen so they ended up with a building that was so inferior to Solomans the older generation wept at the sight of it.
 

OneFaith

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The Feast of Tabernacles reminds me of our modern day Thanksgiving. In autumn (before winter) we give thanks to God for blessing us with the bounty of the earth. But just like the worldly celebrate Christmas once a year, to a Christian every day is Christmas- a time to give to others to reflect what God has given to us. In the same way, we should be thankful every day, at every meal- which is why we "give thanks" (pray) before we eat.

For 1 Timothy 4:4,5 says nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the Word of God, and by prayer. This is the spiritual way (under Christ) that was represented by the Feast of Tabernacles- which was (past tense) done physically under Moses.

We are no longer under any of the laws under Moses. No, not even the Ten Commandments! (wait for it, stay with me). Because the mosaical law meant 'to obey God's laws physically'. For example, physically resting on a physical day (Sabbath)- which represented the spiritual rest- which is 'the peace that surpasses understanding'. All the ways obeying God's law physically have been nailed to the cross, forevermore. (Using a physical lamb sacrifice, taking people outside the city to stone them to death for adultery, etc.). (Romans 7:1-4)

What trips people up is that they think that not obeying the laws of Moses anymore means not to obey God's laws anymore. And if I was in that mindset, I would go ballistic too! I would say "What do you mean we don't obey the ten commands anymore!?!?!? Are you telling me it is now okay to murder?!?!" We still obey God's same laws, we just do so spiritually instead of physically.

For example, Moses said do not physically murder anyone. But Jesus says if you hate your brother, you are already guilty of murder. Moses says do not commit adultery, Jesus says anyone who looks at someone to lust after them has already committed adultery in their heart (spiritually- which to God is the 'real' way).

So a physical feast (of Tabernacles or any of the others) is not what God wants us to observe under the spiritual covenant. He wants us to be thankful to Him in our hearts, on a continual basis. "And whatever you do, whether in word or in deed, do it all in the name of Jesus Christ (Christianity), giving thanks to the Father through Him."
 
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