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DAN:
It's an interesting situation, really. Most Christians probably feel that God has shown them the real truth.
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all 'Christians' have been shown bits and pieces of Yeshua's Truth, along and along in their journeys...
this is their 'stair-way' to heaven, ever giving over their whole hearts to their Saviour, in all Trust
and humility in their thankfulness for truly being called to believe in HIM, being able to acknowledge,
accept, appreciate His Holy, Loving, Sacrifice, only asking that we LOVE and OBEY Him...surreal really!!!
DAN:
It's an interesting situation, really. Most Christians probably feel that God has shown them the real truth.
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all 'Christians' have been shown bits and pieces of Yeshua's Truth, along and along in their journeys...
this is their 'stair-way' to heaven, ever giving over their whole hearts to their Saviour, in all Trust
and humility in their thankfulness for truly being called to believe in HIM, being able to acknowledge,
accept, appreciate His Holy, Loving, Sacrifice, only asking that we LOVE and OBEY Him...surreal really!!!
yes, there are many names for God!
are all equally good for every translation situation?
for example, in the Romans 9:6, "But it is not as though the word of YAHWEH-SABAOTH has come to nothing."?
in other words, do certain names for God fit better in certain situations, based on the words used in the original language?
the issue came up for me because if we are allowed to "tweak" the scritpures to suit our currently-held ideas, that would greatly impact how we talk about things like the Sabbath.
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I believe this was my last post directly about the Sabbath
are all equally good for every translation situation?
for example, in the Romans 9:6, "But it is not as though the word of YAHWEH-SABAOTH has come to nothing."?
in other words, do certain names for God fit better in certain situations, based on the words used in the original language?
the issue came up for me because if we are allowed to "tweak" the scritpures to suit our currently-held ideas, that would greatly impact how we talk about things like the Sabbath.
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I believe this was my last post directly about the Sabbath
We have the New Covenant where GOD's Law is wrote on our new heart and put in our mind through Faith.
Now we here believe that the Messiah teaches us to Keep even the least Commandment of GOD but not in the letter but through the Spirit.. what was in stone condemned us but by GOD's Grace through Faith we are alive to love GOD because He loved us First in such a way that one can not ever repay but they certainly can be grateful and Love GOD how he desires through Christ within... for if we were dead in our trespasses, through Christ we are alive to live as Children of GOD while we abide. Set apart because the Messiah overcame and gives us Victory to be forgiven and Reconciled to our Creator.
There is no boast or judging.. for we each should do all things toward GOD and for GOD with a clear conscience.
Now the Royal law is of Love for GOD and each other.. for Love fulfils the Law.. if you have not Faith that worketh by love then you will see burden and not delight....
We walk in the Spirit following the Good Shepherd on the path of Righteousness... this is what we are at liberty to do.. so the saints will Keep the Commandments and have the Faith of Jesus.
and every misused verse against this proves your inwards... and reveals unbelief...
Now we here believe that the Messiah teaches us to Keep even the least Commandment of GOD but not in the letter but through the Spirit.. what was in stone condemned us but by GOD's Grace through Faith we are alive to love GOD because He loved us First in such a way that one can not ever repay but they certainly can be grateful and Love GOD how he desires through Christ within... for if we were dead in our trespasses, through Christ we are alive to live as Children of GOD while we abide. Set apart because the Messiah overcame and gives us Victory to be forgiven and Reconciled to our Creator.
There is no boast or judging.. for we each should do all things toward GOD and for GOD with a clear conscience.
Now the Royal law is of Love for GOD and each other.. for Love fulfils the Law.. if you have not Faith that worketh by love then you will see burden and not delight....
We walk in the Spirit following the Good Shepherd on the path of Righteousness... this is what we are at liberty to do.. so the saints will Keep the Commandments and have the Faith of Jesus.
and every misused verse against this proves your inwards... and reveals unbelief...
Praise God for his Word that is living within us that we should be called the sons and daughters of God. His Words are life to those that have ears to hear and eyes to see.... It is His Word that is the power of creation within to love without. Love is the fulfilling of His Law because we walk by faith on water when Jesus bids us come.... Speak the Word only... Faith is the victory that overcomes the world and the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes and the Spirit says come...
May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.
May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.
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Judges 17:6, 21:25 (Deu 12:8 says)
8 "Do not do as we are doing here today
-each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.
9 "Because you have not yet entered the rest and the inheritance which YHWH your Elohim is giving you.
So the Word of our Master says not to follow the way of the world but follow Him the Word of Elohim. We know Him as Master, Messiah, Yahshua, and He has said , "Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and you shall find rest unto your souls.
For My yoke is easy, and My burden is Light."
So logically, (ironically) Messiah is the Torah if you,
Paul and Silas preached
Continue believing on Y'shua Messiah and your whole house will be saved...
So continue believing on Messiah for salvation but don't reject his rest either, for
Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
The Word equivalent literally is Sabbath. It is a seal, a sign, a gift, and much more is promised. When we all are under the same word, and view each man as more important than himself, we see the instructions of YHWH as they are. Have confidence that the Helper will Help you if you want him to.
Bless The Father in Messiah Yahshua grow through obedience and that means small steps at first? What do y'all think?
8 "Do not do as we are doing here today
-each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.
9 "Because you have not yet entered the rest and the inheritance which YHWH your Elohim is giving you.
So the Word of our Master says not to follow the way of the world but follow Him the Word of Elohim. We know Him as Master, Messiah, Yahshua, and He has said , "Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and you shall find rest unto your souls.
For My yoke is easy, and My burden is Light."
So logically, (ironically) Messiah is the Torah if you,
Paul and Silas preached
Continue believing on Y'shua Messiah and your whole house will be saved...
So continue believing on Messiah for salvation but don't reject his rest either, for
Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
The Word equivalent literally is Sabbath. It is a seal, a sign, a gift, and much more is promised. When we all are under the same word, and view each man as more important than himself, we see the instructions of YHWH as they are. Have confidence that the Helper will Help you if you want him to.
Bless The Father in Messiah Yahshua grow through obedience and that means small steps at first? What do y'all think?
yes, we all are under the same word. The idea had been presented above that we all we need to know of the Word is the Word as understood by the Holy Spirit. So-called Biblical scholars are not the Holy Spirit nor are they prophecied to come to enlighten anyone.
and that all who believe Jesus christ have a "special" uinderstanding from the Father.
so I was wondering how that would work on a Bible discussion forum, how would we proceed?
and that all who believe Jesus christ have a "special" uinderstanding from the Father.
so I was wondering how that would work on a Bible discussion forum, how would we proceed?
Interesting thought...
First remember that yoke? First live it by doing, applying, practicing, and learning and teaching in its season.
Now for example is a time of Holiness and repentance and reflecting on the promise of the Covenant/Word of YHWH. Maybe speak on why Holiness is important, and impossible without your head who is Messiah. But don't stop their, also put on the Breast Plate of Righteousness which is allowing His Instruction to be inscribed on your Heart, ( this is Torah).
This is how you know if the spirit is for The Messiah of YHWH, the Elohim of Abraham. Your Faith will confirm the Torah, Instruction, and aka law. The anti christ sets himself up against the law of Elohim and uses many devices to snare live's. (we don't want to condemn him who does not obey, we want to see where we where in their situations and Love them as Messiah Loves us.
Shalom in Yahshua Messiah, John Talmid
First remember that yoke? First live it by doing, applying, practicing, and learning and teaching in its season.
Now for example is a time of Holiness and repentance and reflecting on the promise of the Covenant/Word of YHWH. Maybe speak on why Holiness is important, and impossible without your head who is Messiah. But don't stop their, also put on the Breast Plate of Righteousness which is allowing His Instruction to be inscribed on your Heart, ( this is Torah).
This is how you know if the spirit is for The Messiah of YHWH, the Elohim of Abraham. Your Faith will confirm the Torah, Instruction, and aka law. The anti christ sets himself up against the law of Elohim and uses many devices to snare live's. (we don't want to condemn him who does not obey, we want to see where we where in their situations and Love them as Messiah Loves us.
Shalom in Yahshua Messiah, John Talmid
yes, yes, and yes!
and, how does this play out in a Bible discussion forum such as this thread?
do we search the scriptures with each other, and consider different translations and what scholars have to say about things like the meaning of words?
or, do we each just share what the Spirit has told us is the truth about a matter, and what a particular scripture passage means?
and, how does this play out in a Bible discussion forum such as this thread?
do we search the scriptures with each other, and consider different translations and what scholars have to say about things like the meaning of words?
or, do we each just share what the Spirit has told us is the truth about a matter, and what a particular scripture passage means?
7000 times wow....
You don't like to use YHWH?
Here is something for you that I marvelled at many moons ago.. Joshua of Nun is called Jesus in the New Testament Hebrews 4:8..
Obviously names have changed with language but GOD is found with a willing heart.. like nothing stops Him when we believe with our hearts.
You see we should state to those around us that we Love and Worship the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is also known as Israel... for this is the Almighty GOD who sent His Son to forgive and Reconcile us through Faith by His Grace..
So we should not try to limit everyone by what we know for they may know better..
If we each do all things with a clear conscience then we offend not GOD for He is above all things and knows our thoughts and intent better than anyone ever will...
You don't like to use YHWH?
Here is something for you that I marvelled at many moons ago.. Joshua of Nun is called Jesus in the New Testament Hebrews 4:8..
Obviously names have changed with language but GOD is found with a willing heart.. like nothing stops Him when we believe with our hearts.
You see we should state to those around us that we Love and Worship the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is also known as Israel... for this is the Almighty GOD who sent His Son to forgive and Reconcile us through Faith by His Grace..
So we should not try to limit everyone by what we know for they may know better..
If we each do all things with a clear conscience then we offend not GOD for He is above all things and knows our thoughts and intent better than anyone ever will...
it's not that I don't like YHWH. It's fine to use it when translating the old testament into english.
it seems to me that there's in important truth in YHWH being used almost 7,000 times in the old testament, and zero in the new.
the apostles never used it when writing about God. do we know better than they?
anyways, it's all related to translating the word of God. gotta translate it before we can live in it, I think.
it seems to me that there's in important truth in YHWH being used almost 7,000 times in the old testament, and zero in the new.
the apostles never used it when writing about God. do we know better than they?
anyways, it's all related to translating the word of God. gotta translate it before we can live in it, I think.
If we read the OLD we learn how they tried to hide GOD's name from us.. some say we should not pronounce it but GOD said not to use His name in vain..
And rightly so... but that is very different from not using....
Psalm 68:4.. spells JAH....
my my preference is YAHVAH and YAHSHUA.. yet the educated can correct me but I worry not like I said in my post.. we could argue until Kingdom come and yet it is written:
Revelation 3
12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
So let us be Faithful and not worry too much.. for all things will be New..