For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

[Jackson123]

You're infected with Finneyism.

Google Charles Finney.

I never read Finney doctrine, how I infected by Charles Fenney? I read Jesus doctrine, in matt 22:34-40 And Believe it

 

[SovereignGrace]

No body force me to serve the Lord, It is my free will

And here we are back to square one.

When you were lost, you were spiritually dead. You could hear with your natural ears, but you were spiritually deaf, seeing you were dead in sin. God had to first quicken you and then you could hear, but not before. That is why you must be born again first.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I never read Finney doctrine, how I infected by Charles Fenney? I read Jesus doctrine, in matt 22:34-40 And Believe it

Google Charles Finney. He was a heretic. And you are espousing his teachings on here.

 

[Jackson123]

And here we are back to square one.

When you were lost, you were spiritually dead. You could hear with your natural ears, but you were spiritually deaf, seeing you were dead in sin. God had to first quicken you and then you could hear, but not before. That is why you must be born again first.

I do believe God quicken every body to hear His invitation and up to people whether to respon or not

 

[Jackson123]

Google Charles Finney. He was a heretic. And you are espousing his teachings on here.

Read matt 22:34-40 than you know I am espousing Jesus teaching

 

[SovereignGrace]

I do believe God quicken every body to hear His invitation and up to people whether to respon or not

Nope. Not even remotely close.

To quicken means to make alive. For what you are saying to be true would be like God calling Lazarus out and him peeking his head out and saying, "No thanks! I'm good!" Then rolling the stone back in front of the tomb and going back to being dead again.

You have 'YOU' as God. The lost are 'god' in your schema.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Read matt 22:34-40 than you know I am espousing Jesus teaching

Well, the lost have already broken the first commandment, as their 'god' is Satan. So, the lost can't love God with all their being, seeing they have another god in place of God.

You are expecting the unregenerate to do things only the regenerate can do.

This is Finneyism.

 

[Jackson123]

Nope. Not even remotely close.

To quicken means to make alive. For what you are saying to be true would be like God calling Lazarus out and him peeking his head out and saying, "No thanks! I'm good!" Then rolling the stone back in front of the tomb and going back to being dead again.

You have 'YOU' as God. The lost are 'god' in your schema.

matt 13
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

wich ground quicken by God?

 

[SovereignGrace]

matt 13
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

wich ground quicken by God?

That which brought forth fruit. The fourth soil.

 

[shrume]

And here we are back to square one.

When you were lost, you were spiritually dead. You could hear with your natural ears, but you were spiritually deaf, seeing you were dead in sin. God had to first quicken you and then you could hear, but not before. That is why you must be born again first.

You have it exactly backwards. People first hear the gospel, then choose to believe it, THEN they are sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13). Being sealed with the Holy Spirit is the new birth. Nobody is born again before they choose to believe the gospel.

 

[Jackson123]

That which brought forth fruit. The fourth soil.

The seed that fell upon stony place sprung up, there reaction here you said the dead will not give reaction

 

[Jackson123]

Nope. Not even remotely close.

To quicken means to make alive. For what you are saying to be true would be like God calling Lazarus out and him peeking his head out and saying, "No thanks! I'm good!" Then rolling the stone back in front of the tomb and going back to being dead again.

You have 'YOU' as God. The lost are 'god' in your schema.

after Lazarus alive, she is free to accept the Lord or not. Alive not always mean obey to believe in Jesus. Before committing sin Adam was alive, and the Lord say if you eat the fruit of knowledge you will die, he ate and die.

 

[Tinuviel]

I pushed yes by accident.
No, evangelism is how God spreads the Gospel through us.

Good to know. I was wondering who was responsible for that

 

[Jackson123]

Jesus tell us to love He should be loving God, He say all laws base on love, I believe because produce by loving God. He love all he do not want any perish, That is why I believe He invite all and give to all the ability to believe or not to all

 

[SovereignGrace]

after Lazarus alive, she is free to accept the Lord or not. Alive not always mean obey to believe in Jesus. Before committing sin Adam was alive, and the Lord say if you eat the fruit of knowledge you will die, he ate and die.

Your theology knows no bounds. Oy vey!!

FYI, Lazarus is a 'he'.

 

[SovereignGrace]

The seed that fell upon stony place sprung up, there reaction here you said the dead will not give reaction

Yet there was no fruit.

 

[Jackson123]

Yet there was no fruit.

but there is reaction , death not respon

 

[SovereignGrace]

but there is reaction , death not respon

Nope. Try again.

Ppl can reform themselves to a certain extent, but can't will themselves to being saved.

John 1:13, Romans 9:16, Phpp. 1:29, 1 Thess. 1:13, John 6:29...

 

[SovereignGrace]

Jesus tell us to love He should be loving God, He say all laws base on love, I believe because produce by loving God. He love all he do not want any perish, That is why I believe He invite all and give to all the ability to believe or not to all

You're a broken record. You think John 3:16 trumps everything.

The bible avows God hates those who commit sin[Psalm 5:5], but John 3:16..

There are seven things God hates, two of which are liars and those who sow discord[Proverbs 6:16-19], but John 3:16 easily refutes that...

All ppl whose names aren't found in the Lamb's Book of Life are cast into eternal gehenna, eternally away from God, the second death, but hey, there's John 3:16...

You pit scripture against scripture and you don't even realize it.

 

[Jackson123]

Nope. Try again.

Ppl can reform themselves to a certain extent, but can't will themselves to being saved.

John 1:13, Romans 9:16, Phpp. 1:29, 1 Thess. 1:13, John 6:29...

nope try it again, there is reaction the seed sprung up

John 1


12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

But as many as received Him

Q :how to be sons of God?

A : receive Him

simpel and clear

try it again