For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

[IamWhoIam]

Even the ability to believe is by the power of God.[John 6:29]

the verse says, to believe, no were in that verse says the ability to believe is by the power of God.

the crowd that found him on the other side of the lake, was asking what must they do to perform the works of God.

jesus replied, to Believe in Him Jesus, He was sent by God, all things now go through him.



28Then they inquired, What must we do to perform the works of God?”
29Jesus replied, “This is the work of God: to believe in the One He has sent.”

 

[SovereignGrace]

So you believe God play favor and you holiest than non elect before election don't you.
That boasting brother. Why He elect you but not him? You are sinner so does him.

that is my believe: I am a sinner,not better than every body, I hear the invitation.
Every sinner invited to believe in Him, and will be forgiven. I believe the invitation and chose to come. Than He (the inviter) forgive me. I am not special, I am not better than other, but I use my free will to chose to believe. I have no reason to boast.
The free will is a gift, so every body have access to salvation

the glory is belong to God who give access to a sinner like me and to all sinner a way of salvation.

Brother, your accusation of me boasting is unfounded and unmerited. All I see in me is sin. I was among the worst of sinners when He saved me. God didn't give a reason why He chose His ppl, other than to say He loves them. I rest, not boast, in that.

 

[SovereignGrace]

the verse says, to believe, no were in that verse says the ability to believe is by the power of God.

the crowd that found him on the other side of the lake, was asking what must they do to perform the works of God.

jesus replied, to Believe in Him Jesus, He was sent by God, all things now go through him.



28Then they inquired, What must we do to perform the works of God?”
29Jesus replied, “This is the work of God: to believe in the One He has sent.”

Its the work of God, not man, that causes one to believe. That's what I meant by ability. If He hadn't worked in me to believe, I couldn't do it myself.

 

[Jackson123]

Verse 13 explains why those who received the Christ in verse 12 received Him. Those who were/are born of God receive Him.

nope verse 13 : wich not born from the will of man is Jesus
.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Its the work of God, not man, that causes one to believe. That's what I meant by ability. If He hadn't worked in me to believe, I couldn't do it myself.

Well I can agree with the work of God that causes one to believe, that is true, God had worked something in your life and you begun to believe that God is real. you started with faith that you mustered up to say to yourself today God worked in your life and you chose to believe him, Jesus does go after lost sheep, Paul is a good example of that, on the road to Damascus Jesus came Down and the bright light blinded Paul, it was from that work of God that Paul chose to believe in Jesus.

 

[Jackson123]

1 Correct!! He predestined believers!! You're finally a Calvinist!! Those who won't believe, He left them in their fallen state.



2 Again, God doesn't have an agape love for the whole world. That's for His elect.

1. No I am not I believe God predestined who so ever believe will save, Calvin believe some ppl predestined to believe.

2. I believe God have agape love for the world, but not saved all. Only saved whosoever believe.

you change john 3:16 to

for God so love part of the world instead of love the world

please don't the word of God brother, it is forbidden.

 

[SovereignGrace]

nope verse 13 : wich not born from the will of man is Jesus
.

Nope. Not even remotely close.

 

[trofimus]

Before re creation of the world God presdestine every believer will be save. God so love the world, not part of the world so He give His only begotten Son, whosoever believe in Him will be save

Yes, everything is predetermind from the beginning.

 

[oldethennew]

everything is known by our Heavenly Father, absolutely nothing gets by Him,
whether in heaven or on earth...from 'forever', you think our 'pea-brains
can easily 'get this?!?',

why anyone would take offense that our Saviour 'knows-all', before and after,
and patiently awaits for His Prophecy to unfold, time after times, as time goes by?!?!?...
do we have 'choices'???

we're both waiting 'with-Him-now', - want to talk about 'two-walking-talking-miracles'?!?!?
'just two witnesses of what Yeshua has done in their lives...- every day of each our lives, for all of us who
truly desire to Love and Honor, Serve, must 'shine/share our Light, for the miracles and Grace God has
so lovingly bestowed upon us...
it's called 'Loving-Witnessing-Giving', as The Holy Spirit leads: this is where we're at, and we're
always eagerly awaiting for our Saviour to teach us how to serve Him/others more, and in new-ways,
as He leads us homeward...

'to give is to receive', 'Faith, Hope, Charity',...precious Holy shadows of the heavenly, but there be
only the 'few' who will choose to submit, learn and live according to Yeshua's ways... -

'The just shall live by Faith'...

but 'the few'? we, hub and myself, believe that the few are those who walk and talk His Way,
if His Spirit/Life are truly abiding in you...

and yes, Will, you will think that everyone is thinking that they are 'doing it' His Way, but oh
Will, He does have a way of convincing whom ever He wants, once and for all'...

 

[SovereignGrace]

nope verse 13 : wich not born from the will of man is Jesus
.

Oh ho ho!! You're theology is getting creepier & creepier.

Verse 13 is referring to the Christ? Srsly?

Nope. Not even remotely close. Try again.

He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.[John 1:11-13]

Those who are born of God is plural, and can not refer to the Christ.

Please, get someone to help you.

 

[Jackson123]

Oh ho ho!! You're theology is getting creepier & creepier.

Verse 13 is referring to the Christ? Srsly?

Nope. Not even remotely close. Try again.

He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.[John 1:11-13]

Those who are born of God is plural, and can not refer to the Christ.

Please, get someone to help you.

those who are born is plural because are not is, but it is nothing to do with predestination doctrine Calvin version.

 

[SovereignGrace]

those who are born is plural because are not is, but it is nothing to do with predestination doctrine Calvin version.

Huh? Please rephrase this. Thanks again.

 

[Jackson123]

Huh? Please rephrase this. Thanks again.

I did and I do not see that those verse say any thing about predestination Calvin version

those verse basically same to John 3:16 in different word. Believe in Him will be save

 

[Jackson123]

Its the work of God, not man, that causes one to believe. That's what I meant by ability. If He hadn't worked in me to believe, I couldn't do it myself.

Work on you not him, you must be a special,person brother.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Why the loving God predestine most people burn in hell forever?

GOD Is almighty and LOVES righteousness.

GOD Is love and made a way for man to have a relationship with HIM but with GOD loving righteousness and man not being able to be perfect before GOD In his own strength,GOD sent HIS WORD manifested In the flesh,fully man and fully GOD to fulfill GOD’s Perfect standard of righteousness as a man on our behalf and providing Grace to man who on his own could not fulfill the law and now we have access to this Grace through faith In HIS WORD.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Work on you not him, you must be a special,person brother.

These personal insults need to stop, now! I am not special. I am a wicked sinner saved by great God.

If God needs anything from us, then He didn't procure salvation for us. We helped Him save us, iow. That's not biblical.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I did and I do not see that those verse say any thing about predestination Calvin version

those verse basically same to John 3:16 in different word. Believe in Him will be save

Those who receive Him have been born of God. Not everyone is born of God, spiritually that is.

 

[Jackson123]

Those who receive Him have been born of God. Not everyone is born of God, spiritually that is.

it is reverse brother, whosoever believe, the minute you believe it mark a new begining like new born the starting point where you begin to be God son. Believe and born again come in the same time

 

[Jackson123]

These personal insults need to stop, now! I am not special. I am a wicked sinner saved by great God.

If God needs anything from us, then He didn't procure salvation for us. We helped Him save us, iow. That's not biblical.

Sorry, I do not mean to insult you. We are a sinner like every body else, must be some thing that make Jesus chose us, and john 3:16 state clearly that some thing is believe to His Son Jesus

 

[SovereignGrace]

it is reverse brother, whosoever believe, the minute you believe it mark a new begining like new born the tarting point where you begin to be Gog son. Believe and born again come in the same time

Again, my Brother, your view of the lost is causing you trouble. Ppl are dead in sin. This dead is 'a spiritually dead corpse'. A corpse can not do anything, such as hear, see, love, &c. That's why God has to move unilaterally and quicken them before they can hear the gospel and be saved.

When we witness to the lost, we are witnessing to a bunch of bones like Ezekiel did in chapter 37. These bones were dead, no hope of ever living again, if left to their fallen selves. As Ezekiel prophesies, God moves through his words and brings those bones to life. Notice how those bones moved as Ezekiel prophesies, yet it was God willing them to life, not themselves.

That's how the gospel works. As we witness to the lost, those who God moves upon, come to life as He wills them to spiritual life through our words. Jesus said He quickens(makes alive) whosoever He will.