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Mr Deacon, please do not respond to my posts any more, I have been nice to you and explained that you are "Ignore" because I believe your post's are "rude", like this one. If you continue to send me foolish and rude post's like this one I will report you to the moderator's. Try posting to some else because I have grown tired of your criticism's like this. Be well Mr.Deacon.
Let me clarify, I posted the following
You missed of the second part of my quote.
I was trying to say that either side of the equation can be misunderstood and quite frankly it can be seen on this thread.
I totally I agree with you that works follow salvation but they will be good and will be bad.
Yes a believer having placed their faith in Jesus will have works deemed only fit to be burned up.
The good will stand the test and the bad will not but we will still be saved having placed our faith in Jesus for forgiveness of sins.
You missed of the second part of my quote.
I was trying to say that either side of the equation can be misunderstood and quite frankly it can be seen on this thread.
I totally I agree with you that works follow salvation but they will be good and will be bad.
Yes a believer having placed their faith in Jesus will have works deemed only fit to be burned up.
The good will stand the test and the bad will not but we will still be saved having placed our faith in Jesus for forgiveness of sins.
I don't think you understand what being "born again" means.
EVERYBODY has the ticket to eat the lasagna dinner!
Salvation is available to EVERYBODY. But ONLY those that accept Jesus, are filled with the Holy Spirit, and become a NEW creation are His Children and saved.
Your philosophy reminds of this parable:
Matthew 25:24-30
[FONT="]24 “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what isyours.’[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
Please DON'T bury that ticket! Use it NOW. You don't want to say to the Jesus. " Lord, I held onto this ticket all these years because I feared losing it".[/FONT]
The Bible does not say who they are specifically. However I can tell you who the two most likely canidates are, and why.
Hebrews 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And just as it is appointed for people to die once—and after this, judgment—
There is only one exception to that rule:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (HCSB)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Listen! I am telling you a mystery: We will not all fall asleep {die}, but we will all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal must be clothed with immortality.
BUT WHAT ABOUT ENOCH AND ELIJAH, THEY DID NOT DIE? EXACTLY! But they will die once if they are the Two Witnesses.
Genesis 5:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Enoch walked with God; then he was not there because God took him.
2 Kings 2:11-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] As they continued walking and talking, a chariot of fire with horses of fire suddenly appeared and separated the two of them. Then Elijah went up into heaven in the whirlwind.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] As Elisha watched, he kept crying out, “My father, my father, the chariots and horsemen of Israel!” Then he never saw Elijah again. He took hold of his own clothes and tore them into two pieces.
Revelation 11:3-12 (NJB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But I shall send my two witnesses to prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, wearing sackcloth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] These are the two olive trees and the two lamps in attendance on the Lord of the world.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Fire comes from their mouths and consumes their enemies if anyone tries to harm them; and anyone who tries to harm them will certainly be killed in this way.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] They have the power to lock up the sky so that it does not rain as long as they are prophesying; they have the power to turn water into blood and strike the whole world with any plague as often as they like.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] When they have completed their witnessing, the beast that comes out of the Abyss is going to make war on them and overcome them and kill them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Their corpses lie in the main street of the great city known by the symbolic names Sodom and Egypt, in which their Lord was crucified.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] People of every race, tribe, language and nation stare at their corpses, for three-and-a-half days, not letting them be buried,
{A prophecy not possible before Satellite TV.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and the people of the world are glad about it and celebrate the event by giving presents to each other, because these two prophets have been a plague to the people of the world.'
[SUP]11 [/SUP] After the three-and-a-half days, God breathed life into them and they stood up on their feet, and everybody who saw it happen was terrified;
[SUP]12 [/SUP] then I heard a loud voice from heaven say to them, ‘Come up here,' and while their enemies were watching, they went up to heaven in a cloud.
ONE MORE POINT, sure the Miracles of themselves will convince many to listen to them; however I believe there is more going on during that TIME of the Two Witnesses telling them that JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH. I believe that GOD will make it possible for the whole Nation of ISRAEL to supernaturally recognize WHO THEY ARE. GOD did that very Miracle when Peter, John, and James recognized Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration without being told who they were. Luke 9:28-36
For those who doubt that it could be Enoch and Elijah, because it says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, therefore Elijah had to be in his Immortal Body when he was on the Mount of Transfiguration. WHO SAYS GOD IS BOUND BY TIME AND SPACE, AND IS NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO GRAB TWO MEN OUT OF THERE TIME FRAME AND TAKE THEM INTO THE FUTURE WERE HE HAS A SPECIFIC MINISTRY FOR THEM?
Luke 1:37 (NIV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]"For nothing is impossible with God."
Hebrews 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And just as it is appointed for people to die once—and after this, judgment—
There is only one exception to that rule:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (HCSB)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Listen! I am telling you a mystery: We will not all fall asleep {die}, but we will all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal must be clothed with immortality.
BUT WHAT ABOUT ENOCH AND ELIJAH, THEY DID NOT DIE? EXACTLY! But they will die once if they are the Two Witnesses.
Genesis 5:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Enoch walked with God; then he was not there because God took him.
2 Kings 2:11-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] As they continued walking and talking, a chariot of fire with horses of fire suddenly appeared and separated the two of them. Then Elijah went up into heaven in the whirlwind.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] As Elisha watched, he kept crying out, “My father, my father, the chariots and horsemen of Israel!” Then he never saw Elijah again. He took hold of his own clothes and tore them into two pieces.
Revelation 11:3-12 (NJB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But I shall send my two witnesses to prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, wearing sackcloth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] These are the two olive trees and the two lamps in attendance on the Lord of the world.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Fire comes from their mouths and consumes their enemies if anyone tries to harm them; and anyone who tries to harm them will certainly be killed in this way.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] They have the power to lock up the sky so that it does not rain as long as they are prophesying; they have the power to turn water into blood and strike the whole world with any plague as often as they like.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] When they have completed their witnessing, the beast that comes out of the Abyss is going to make war on them and overcome them and kill them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Their corpses lie in the main street of the great city known by the symbolic names Sodom and Egypt, in which their Lord was crucified.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] People of every race, tribe, language and nation stare at their corpses, for three-and-a-half days, not letting them be buried,
{A prophecy not possible before Satellite TV.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and the people of the world are glad about it and celebrate the event by giving presents to each other, because these two prophets have been a plague to the people of the world.'
[SUP]11 [/SUP] After the three-and-a-half days, God breathed life into them and they stood up on their feet, and everybody who saw it happen was terrified;
[SUP]12 [/SUP] then I heard a loud voice from heaven say to them, ‘Come up here,' and while their enemies were watching, they went up to heaven in a cloud.
ONE MORE POINT, sure the Miracles of themselves will convince many to listen to them; however I believe there is more going on during that TIME of the Two Witnesses telling them that JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH. I believe that GOD will make it possible for the whole Nation of ISRAEL to supernaturally recognize WHO THEY ARE. GOD did that very Miracle when Peter, John, and James recognized Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration without being told who they were. Luke 9:28-36
For those who doubt that it could be Enoch and Elijah, because it says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, therefore Elijah had to be in his Immortal Body when he was on the Mount of Transfiguration. WHO SAYS GOD IS BOUND BY TIME AND SPACE, AND IS NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO GRAB TWO MEN OUT OF THERE TIME FRAME AND TAKE THEM INTO THE FUTURE WERE HE HAS A SPECIFIC MINISTRY FOR THEM?
Luke 1:37 (NIV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]"For nothing is impossible with God."
Titus 2
7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;
10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
It is written that He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity and purify us to Himself a peculiar people that are zealous of good works...
Not by works.. but most certainly unto
.. who can argue with that?
7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;
10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
It is written that He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all iniquity and purify us to Himself a peculiar people that are zealous of good works...
Not by works.. but most certainly unto
.. who can argue with that? 