For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

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For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • No.

    Votes: 21 91.3%

  • Total voters
    23

SovereignGrace

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thank brother, so now you believe God chose whosoever believe.
Brother, imo, your problem is you focus in God's love and do not take into account His other attributes. You have a laser-focused view of His love, and then sweep His other attributes under the rug. God is not just love. There's justice, holiness, righteousness, just to name a few.

God has a love for His creation, but a special love for His elect.
 

SovereignGrace

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Have you chosen to have a free will or was your supposed free will forced upon you? :)
You know, in all seriousness, this is a very salient point. If ppl are born with the gift of free will, this was given to them w/o their permission. Would this be considered forced? It'd think so.
 

trofimus

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You know, in all seriousness, this is a very salient point. If ppl are born with the gift of free will, this was given to them w/o their permission. Would this be considered forced? It'd think so.
Yeah, free will is so badly defined by its proponents that it simly makes no sense when going back a little or thinking about it a little.

Everything that is created depends on its Creator in everything, if we can use something, this use is also given to us, so... free will is a self-refuting idea.
 

Jackson123

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Have you chosen to have a free will or was your supposed free will forced upon you? :)
God give me some free will, how about you. Some body forced you to posting this post or you predestined to post this?
 

Jackson123

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Brother, imo, your problem is you focus in God's love and do not take into account His other attributes. You have a laser-focused view of His love, and then sweep His other attributes under the rug. God is not just love. There's justice, holiness, righteousness, just to name a few.

God has a love for His creation, but a special love for His elect.
Jesus teach us that love is the constitution of all law.

matt 22-36:40

justice etc is base on love, for example

do not steal

it is because love, when you steal, it hurt the victim, Love not hurt. Than to stop people hurt each other God create justice system so justice is part of love.

so when you talking about love, automatically you talking about justice.

How you you ask me to less focuse about love and start think about justice when justice is part of love.
 

trofimus

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God give me some free will, how about you. Some body forced you to posting this post or you predestined to post this?
I would say b).

I was predetermined to post that post. I was not forced to do it.

It was always certain that I will do it, for anyone knowing all my life flow and various causes of my thougts and of my actions.

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Note:

Predestination = about salvation.
Predetermination = about everything.

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Were you free to accept or refuse your free will gift?
 

Jackson123

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I would say b).

I was predetermined to post that post. I was not forced to do it.

It was always certain that I will do it, for anyone knowing all my life flow and various causes of my thougts and of my actions.

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Predestination = about salvation.
Predetermination = about everything.

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Were you free to accept or refuse your free will gift?
so you believe everything you do is predetermined by God?

When you hurt other, or commit sin is predetermined by God ?

in other word God predetermine you to be sinner, while He command not to sin

look like you accused God as hypocritical God my friend.
 
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Have you chosen to have a free will or was your supposed free will forced upon you? :)

A will free from God in order to do the will of the fathers of lies brought corruption. We are created beings not the creator. Creatures are created to do the will of the creator Iits that kind of a free will Christian have. doing do the will of another.

Why would a believer want a will free from their savior?

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Its the kind of will/food the unsaved know not of being bound as slave to do the will of the god of this world .
 

valiant

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so you believe everything you do is predetermined by God?

When you hurt other, or commit sin is predetermined by God ?

in other word God predetermine you to be sinner, while He command not to sin

look like you accused God as hypocritical God my friend.
we do evil because of what we are. we are dead in trespasses and sins. eph2.1

But only those come to God who are chosen by Him before the foundation of the world. eph 1.3ff
 

trofimus

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so you believe everything you do is predetermined by God?

When you hurt other, or commit sin is predetermined by God ?

in other word God predetermine you to be sinner, while He command not to sin

look like you accused God as hypocritical God my friend.
Yes, every my action is predetermined, but God is not active in pushing me to evil.

As already Augustine declared, evil is a privation of being, whereas the action of God tends to the positive.

What does that mean? It means that everything that is created is falling to evil like everything you drop falls to the ground. Its God who makes the positive force by "holding it" in some level of good. His power is used in a positive way while the privation of us tends to evil.

So God actively makes you good (by His grace), but He can just "drop you" a little more and you are going to the evil way, like hurting somebody. This evil originates only in you, God will just let you do it, when it is needed for some higher good.
 
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I would say b).

I was predetermined to post that post. I was not forced to do it.

It was always certain that I will do it, for anyone knowing all my life flow and various causes of my thougts and of my actions.

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Note:

Predestination = about salvation.
Predetermination = about everything.

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Were you free to accept or refuse your free will gift?

No different than your first birth. Were you free to accept or refuse your free will gift of spirit life before God breathed into your being the breath of spirit life?

Or was it God who worked in you to both will and to do his good pleasure called creating.

We are informed that he is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases?
 
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i think this is a good time to come out the closet for me u see....
dont stone me to death pls



i believe in the 'doctrines of grace' as they are called...... i cant see any way around it i have read now the entire bible cover to cover u see....... and how can a leopard change his spots u see???? only if God regenerates and gives man a new heart....
i had my run in the free will camp but there is just so much about predestined to eternal life in acts and ephesians n tings.... hard to get around it. and the problem always is, if God wills every individual in eternity to be saved, why was Judas lost???? and it says that God had predestined for those men to kill Jesus u see....... so that would make God weak if He cant save all He wants and run His own universe?????? u see now. i dont expect anyone to be convinced but i just wanted to come out and say it lol

lets trust God He knows what He is doing........
 
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Jh 12:39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:


Jh 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes, and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn and I would heal them.”


Mt13:19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path.


Mt13:18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means:
Mt13:20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.
Mt13:21But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.
Mt13:22The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.
Mt13:23But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”


Mt13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
Mt13:14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
Mt13:15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’


Mt13:16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
Mt13:17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.


Acts28:24 Some believed the things which were spoken, and some disbelieved.
Acts28:25 When they didn’t agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had spoken one word, “The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers,


Acts28:26 saying, ‘Go to this people and say, in hearing, you will hear, but will in no way understand. In seeing, you will see, but will in no way perceive.
Acts28:27 For this people’s heart has grown callous. Their ears are dull of hearing. Their eyes they have closed. Lest they should see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their heart, and would turn again, then I would heal them.’
Acts28:28 “Be it known therefore to you, that the salvation of God is sent to the nations, and they will listen.”

 
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He_reigns

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There is no such thing as free will. There is a thing as free choice.
 
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Jackson u are going overboard with this predestination free will ting....... u say we are predestined to post here......
what u are trapped in is a very common misoverstanding u see...... the reformed dont deny we can choose what t-shirt to wear today and tings...... its about: can a dead man who is dead in his sins be saved on his own??? or does God need to regenerate that man? who gets the glory for that saved individual? the individual himself or God?

our 'choices' are 'bound' by our fallen nature u see..... so an unregenerate man doesnt even want God in his life, he doesnt wanna seek God. u overstand?
 

1ofthem

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This is getting a little too silly y'all...Just saying...

Free will or free choice whatever you want to call it...is free so it can't be forced upon you...It's your choice do with it as you will...

How much simpler can it get? Everyone can choose to accept or reject... it's on them and to each their own, right.:)