He gives all men a measure of faith to come to the cross...its up to them to accept it or not..and yeah I agree its people's wicked hearts that reject it but that is still their own choice...Men loved darkness rather than light...but that was their choice because we know that God doesn't love darkness rather than light and He didn't make that choice for anyone...He would have all men come to repentance...so he gives them all a chance and it's on them whether they accept it or not.
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I really got to go but this is one I would like to discuss with you later.
Physical death and spiritual death is not exactly the same in my opinion...Once we die physically there is nothing that we can do about it ....it's lights out...we can't repent if we are dead....Once again God never said anything about when you die physically all you have to do is believe and repent and I will save you and raise you back up on earth...
Well, we will all raise back up for judgement but that is a different story...
And yes with spiritual death, I agree it takes God to save us...We can't save ourselves but we have a chance to repent and ask for forgiveness or not...That's what God promised when he sent Jesus to take on the sins of the World...He paid the price but we have to accept it. He died for all and he gives that chance to all....All are invited but not all accept it.
Physical death and spiritual death is not exactly the same in my opinion...Once we die physically there is nothing that we can do about it ....it's lights out...we can't repent if we are dead....Once again God never said anything about when you die physically all you have to do is believe and repent and I will save you and raise you back up on earth...
Well, we will all raise back up for judgement but that is a different story...
And yes with spiritual death, I agree it takes God to save us...We can't save ourselves but we have a chance to repent and ask for forgiveness or not...That's what God promised when he sent Jesus to take on the sins of the World...He paid the price but we have to accept it. He died for all and he gives that chance to all....All are invited but not all accept it.
Return it to the one who gave it. He has a record . It would seem your name is in the lambs book of life .He was slain from the foundation of the world, as the lamb of God.
Free will is to do the will of God . Who could dispute it? He is of one mind.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputingshi 2:13
A will in bondage to a believer is to serve another will. Its the kind of food the disciples knew not of.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Free will is to do the will of God . Who could dispute it? He is of one mind.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings
hi 2:13A will in bondage to a believer is to serve another will. Its the kind of food the disciples knew not of.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
I really got to go but this is one I would like to discuss with you later.
Physical death and spiritual death is not exactly the same in my opinion...Once we die physically there is nothing that we can do about it ....it's lights out...we can't repent if we are dead....Once again God never said anything about when you die physically all you have to do is believe and repent and I will save you and raise you back up on earth...
Well, we will all raise back up for judgement but that is a different story...
And yes with spiritual death, I agree it takes God to save us...We can't save ourselves but we have a chance to repent and ask for forgiveness or not...That's what God promised when he sent Jesus to take on the sins of the World...He paid the price but we have to accept it. He died for all and he gives that chance to all....All are invited but not all accept it.
Physical death and spiritual death is not exactly the same in my opinion...Once we die physically there is nothing that we can do about it ....it's lights out...we can't repent if we are dead....Once again God never said anything about when you die physically all you have to do is believe and repent and I will save you and raise you back up on earth...
Well, we will all raise back up for judgement but that is a different story...
And yes with spiritual death, I agree it takes God to save us...We can't save ourselves but we have a chance to repent and ask for forgiveness or not...That's what God promised when he sent Jesus to take on the sins of the World...He paid the price but we have to accept it. He died for all and he gives that chance to all....All are invited but not all accept it.
I think the NIV better expresses Paul's thoughts...
Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect. For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.[Romans 12:1-3]
The context is brothers and sisters at the church in Rome, and conversely, all believers. God has distributed the messure of faith to His elect.
Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect. For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.[Romans 12:1-3]
The context is brothers and sisters at the church in Rome, and conversely, all believers. God has distributed the messure of faith to His elect.
Well, I don't know for sure if they did or not because they weren't under the New covenant but the old.
Some people have told me that he went and preached to the spirits that were in prison after he was crucified...and that is supposed to mean that he went and preached to the ones who were dead and gave them a chance...but that's really just speculation, in my opinion...They have quoted a verse to me before that says something like that, but like I said it doesn't say that out bluntly, in my opinion. So I don't know about that one.
All I can say really about it is that those folks died under the old covenant not the new.
Some people have told me that he went and preached to the spirits that were in prison after he was crucified...and that is supposed to mean that he went and preached to the ones who were dead and gave them a chance...but that's really just speculation, in my opinion...They have quoted a verse to me before that says something like that, but like I said it doesn't say that out bluntly, in my opinion. So I don't know about that one.
All I can say really about it is that those folks died under the old covenant not the new.
no i didnt. i used it as an example, the same applies spiritually: spiritually dead cannot save himself. man without legs cannot just choose to walk.
u are just oversensitive, how did u make it through life so far if u get offended so easily?????? i got nothing but love towards the less fortunate.
grow up.
u are just oversensitive, how did u make it through life so far if u get offended so easily?????? i got nothing but love towards the less fortunate.
grow up.
LOL...Well thanks for the English lesson...But you can go ahead and put your dictionary away now... because what I am really dumbfounded about and would like to know the answer to is... How or why a group of people want to shut the gospel down to some people when God opened it up for all and said whosoever will choose to believe will be saved...So maybe you can answer that one for me wiseguy
If it is so, it must be said that it would be just the English thinking issue only and it is not present in the Greek text.
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To your question - nobody shuts the gospel down to anybody. Gospel is preached to everybody. But one needs the grace of God to have a real faith and its a gift of God.
It nails the context but I don't think free willers believe in or respect context. A verse here and there, and they make it say what they want.
I don't buy the excuse of any person who says they've read it and don't see it. It's right there plain as day. They don't want to see it, just like a Catholic they won't let Scripture undo their tradition.