For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

[Jackson123]

Regarding my belief about how predetermination works and why God is not a partaker in our evil even though He predestined every action, I will repeat my post I made earlier.

If you do not understand it, I am sorry. Use dictionary or something. Your definitions and conclusions do not correspond to my definitions and conclusions, so I am not going to agree with what you propose.

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Yes, every my action is predetermined, but God is not active in pushing me to evil.

As already Augustine declared, evil is a privation of being, whereas the action of God tends to the positive.

What does that mean? It means that everything that is created is falling to evil like everything you drop falls to the ground. Its God who makes the positive force by "holding it" in some level of good. His power is used in a positive way while the privation of us tends to evil.

So God actively makes you good (by His grace), but He can just "drop you" a little more and you are going to the evil way, like hurting somebody. This evil originates only in you, God will just let you do it, when it is needed for some higher good.

let me repeat your statement.

"yes every my action is predetermined( I assumed by God)but God is not active to pushing me to evil"

my interpretation:
God predetermined your every action, good or evil, but God not pushing you to do evil

God predernen you to do evil but not pushing.

so you do have room for free will in doing evil

it is inconsistance with your own statement before: there is no free will

 

[SovereignGrace]

Babies have no sin...Just saying...

We are only held accountable by what we know...right..

The wages of sin is death...[Romans 6:23]

If babies are sinless, then how can they die?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Babies have no sin...Just saying...

This is full-blown Pelagianism. Pelagius taught that ppl are born tabula rasa and that's horribly wrong.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I wouldn't use the word forced more of that God/Jesus attests for them,overall I get what you mean though.

Babies have no will to exercise. If they are saved, God would have to act unilaterally and save them. That's precisely how He saves His elect to begin with. But if its a baby, its not force, but if its an adult, its force.

 

[preacher4truth]

This is full-blown Pelagianism. Pelagius taught that ppl are born tabula rasa and that's horribly wrong.

Yep.......

 

[SovereignGrace]

When did they sin?

In Adam.......

 

[preacher4truth]

We are not accountable for Adam's sin, but because of Adam's sin, we are sinners.

More full blown Pelagianism.

 

[preacher4truth]

We disagree. Was the king of Tyre "perfect"? Was he in Eden?

You don't understand the simplest contextual structures. Ezekiel was told to prophesy unto whom? The King of Tyre. When he did, he continued to say "You" in the text at hand, which, in context is guess who? The King of Tyre. You're adding Satan in there when he's not in there.

Nor do you know when you're reading figurative texts. Of course, God doesn't reveal His Word to everyone and one cannot choose to free will himself to understand it, it is granted Sovereignly by God to whomsoever He wills. Is that fair, or does God have to do that for everyone for you to "accept" Him?

 

[preacher4truth]

The wages of sin is death...[Romans 6:23]

If babies are sinless, then how can they die?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SovereignGrace again.

 

[1ofthem]

This is full-blown Pelagianism. Pelagius taught that ppl are born tabula rasa and that's horribly wrong.

[h=1]Pelagianism[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...Pelagius taught that the human will, as created with its abilities by God, was sufficient to live a sinless life, although he believed that God's grace assisted every good work. Pelagianism has come to be identified with the view (whether taught by Pelagius or not) that human beings can earn salvation by their own efforts.


Your taking that a little far ain't ya...No where did I state that people can save themselves.And I had to look that up to even see what you were talking about because unlike some I don't study up on men...

I'm saying a baby is innocent and has not had a chance to sin...therefore it is innocent.

 

[1ofthem]

The wages of sin is death...[Romans 6:23]

If babies are sinless, then how can they die?

Are you seriously that clueless??? If you want to throw around ludicrous questions...then I got one for you...

When we repent and are born again all of our sins are washed away, right...well then how could we ever die???? You can see just how ludicrous that question is can't ya... Same goes for your original question

 

[SovereignGrace]

Pelagianism

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...Pelagius taught that the human will, as created with its abilities by God, was sufficient to live a sinless life, although he believed that God's grace assisted every good work. Pelagianism has come to be identified with the view (whether taught by Pelagius or not) that human beings can earn salvation by their own efforts.


Your taking that a little far ain't ya...No where did I state that people can save themselves.And I had to look that up to even see what you were talking about because unlike some I don't study up on men...

I'm saying a baby is innocent and has not had a chance to sin...therefore it is innocent.

Tabula rasa means 'blank slate'. Pelagius taught babies are born sinless. I am not saying you're a full-blown Pelagianist, but you're teaching what is considered full-blown Pelagianism.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Are you seriously that clueless???

Hmmm...k?

If you want to throw around ludicrous questions...then I got one for you...

When we repent and are born again all of our sins are washed away, right...well then how could we ever die???? You can see just how ludicrous that question is can't ya... Same goes for your original question

The reason why we die is because our bodies weren't saved, only our inward spirit. It never tastes death again.

Now, why do babies die, seeing they're sinless, and the wages of sin is death?

I answered your question, will you please answer mine? Thanks Sissy?

 

[1ofthem]

Tabula rasa means 'blank slate'. Pelagius taught babies are born sinless. I am not saying you're a full-blown Pelagianist, but you're teaching what is considered full-blown Pelagianism.

I'm not teaching anything...I'm just saying babies that die never had a chance to commit sin...they do not understand it therefore they are innocent.

 

[SovereignGrace]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SovereignGrace again.

Well, spread some around. I know you're good at spreading it...err...oops?

 

[SovereignGrace]

I'm not teaching anything...I'm just saying babies that die never had a chance to commit sin...they do not understand it therefore they are innocent.

Again, Sissy, the wages of sin is death...[Romans 6:23] If babies are sinless, why do they die, when they never committed a sin?

 

[1ofthem]

Hmmm...k?



The reason why we die is because our bodies weren't saved, only our inward spirit. It never tastes death again.

Now, why do babies die, seeing they're sinless, and the wages of sin is death?

I answered your question, will you please answer mine? Thanks Sissy?

LOL... I think You just answered it for yourself..but I'll explain it the way I see it...no ones body is ever saved...Body and soul are two different things...the wages of sin is spiritual death...Everybody will physically die whether they sin or not. Hence, babies who have never sinned yet they still can die...

 

[shrume]

You don't understand the simplest contextual structures. Ezekiel was told to prophesy unto whom? The King of Tyre. When he did, he continued to say "You" in the text at hand, which, in context is guess who? The King of Tyre. You're adding Satan in there when he's not in there.

You did not answer the questions:

Was the king of Tyre "perfect"? Was he in Eden?

Nor do you know when you're reading figurative texts.

Actually I do.

Of course, God doesn't reveal His Word to everyone and one cannot choose to free will himself to understand it, it is granted Sovereignly by God to whomsoever He wills. Is that fair, or does God have to do that for everyone for you to "accept" Him?

Again, God want's EVERYONE to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4).

I don't think I've ever come across a more hard-core Calvinist than you.

 

[SovereignGrace]

LOL... I think You just answered it for yourself..but I'll explain it the way I see it...no ones body is ever saved...Body and soul are two different things...the wages of sin is spiritual death...Everybody will physically die whether they sin or not. Hence, babies who have never sinned yet they still can die...

Nope. The Christ was sinless. How come He died? I am asking, not to be snarky, but to make you think your theology through.

 

[1ofthem]

Again, Sissy, the wages of sin is death...[Romans 6:23] If babies are sinless, why do they die, when they never committed a sin?

Please read all the verses right before that it's talking about spiritual death and spiritual life. Well unless you think you are never going to die and live forever on this earth
Romans 6:22-23
[FONT=&quot]22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.[/FONT]