For Calvinists: Do you skip evangelizing because God chooses?

[preacher4truth]

ROMANS 11:4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men,
'who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal'.

I hope that's not some sort of "proof text." It fails to prove your point in light of the rest of Scripture.

It doesn't mean they hadn't ever committed evil.

 

[Issachar92]

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

 

[preacher4truth]

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Taken out of context, and was a rebuke to the self-righteous. You free-willers love to distort God's Word.

 

[Issachar92]

The reason why its so hard for calvinists to believe that someone can obey in the bible is because they are into the augustinian teaching of no one is able to ever do anything. God has to do it for them.
Then the question remains why does God ask us to do things knowing we cant do em? Then gets angry at something He himself caused.

That system dont make much sense.

So why did Jesus die? To obey for the people? Or: To save the people from their sins and remit their sins, purge their conscience so they could serve God with a clean and purified heart in faith working by love.

 

[He_reigns]

The reason why its so hard for calvinists to believe that someone can obey in the bible is because they are into the augustinian teaching of no one is able to ever do anything. God has to do it for them.
Then the question remains why does God ask us to do things knowing we cant do em? Then gets angry at something He himself caused.

That system dont make much sense.

So why did Jesus die? To obey for the people? Or: To save the people from their sins and remit their sins, purge their conscience so they could serve God with a clean and purified heart in faith working by love.

It would also seem that many on this site believe it is Jesus own personal faith that saves them and of course what you said, that Father believes for them.

 

[preacher4truth]

The reason why its so hard for calvinists to believe that someone can obey

Straw man argument.

That system dont make much sense.

You made it up, which is why.

So why did Jesus die? To obey for the people? Or: To save the people from their sins and remit their sins, purge their conscience so they could serve God with a clean and purified heart in faith working by love.

According to you only some need to be saved as per your ripped out of context Luke 15:7 passage above. You should really quit trying to teach, telling others what they believe when you're clueless to the reality, end distorting Scripture and actually go learn from someone else.

 

[Issachar92]

Taken out of context, and was a rebuke to the self-righteous. You free-willers love to distort God's Word.

The protestant Pope hath spoken. I say its wrong and outta context, therefore it is! No proof needed. Im willing to say there aint no beef, so I will just say God bless you and keep it moving, no reason to start fussing back n forth we will never agree so its best to agree to disagree. Best if ya just put me on ignore. You are impossible to converse with, too deep into Macarthurism :/ Its aiight, i just wanna say i dont know you in real life so I got no personal issues with you, but im not teaching on here im just discussing, this aint no theology class and i dont claim to be a teacher. So if ur offended by something i did or thought I was a teacher or something im sorry for that, i dont want no unforgiven buidness between christians so if thats the case im sorry and all is forgiven.

 

[oldethennew]

I hope that's not some sort of "proof text." It fails to prove your point in light of the rest of Scripture.

It doesn't mean they hadn't ever committed evil.

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I can't imagine why you would even 'go there'...but, since you did, we will take to the scriptures,
and this will be our 'guide'...

 

[preacher4truth]

The protestant Pope hath spoken. I say its wrong and outta context, therefore it is! No proof needed. Im willing to say there aint no beef, so I will just say God bless you and keep it moving, no reason to start fussing back n forth we will never agree so its best to agree to disagree. Best if ya just put me on ignore.

It is out of context, perhaps you should go study and leave off the unChristian ad hominem nonsense, right, and grow up, like in huge leaps and bounds?

Feel free to put me on ignore because I will dismantle your ignorant misusage and twisting of Scripture all day long when I find it.

 

[preacher4truth]

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I can't imagine why you would even 'go there'[/quopte]

Only because you've misused Scripture. Isn't that reason enough? You've failed to implement 2 Timothy 2:15.

...but, since you did, we will take to the scriptures, and this will be our 'guide'...

Oh no, somehow I feel intimidated!

 

[Issachar92]

Feel free to put me on ignore because I will dismantle your ignorant misusage and twisting of Scripture all day long when I find it.

By just saying its false and not providing any data? And yup you are right its best n i will. Aint nothin comin!
keep on truckin mate God bless

 

[oldethennew]

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I can't imagine why you would even 'go there'[/quopte]

Only because you've misused Scripture. Isn't that reason enough? You've failed to implement 2 Timothy 2:15.

Oh no, somehow I feel intimidated! [/QUOTE

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WOW, have you put on a mantle of a very 'wrong interpretation'...
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after all of this time, you actually 'think' that we,' hub and myself, would or desire
to 'intimidate' you?!?!?!? OMGoodness!!!

 

[SovereignGrace]

Still waiting for proof, all you've done is presume upon Scripture something not there. Did Jesus die for their sins?

And all...but two...have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

 

[preacher4truth]

WOW, have you put on a mantle of a very 'wrong interpretation'...after all of this time, you actually 'think' that we,' hub and myself, would or desire to 'intimidate' you?!?!?!? OMGoodness!!!

Learn to take a joke maybe?

The fact remains, you and Isaachar have misused Scriptures in attempt to prove something that isn't even biblical. That anyone would even set out to prove it is almost unbelievable except for the rampant pelagianism on this site.


I'd say I'm amazed, but this verse-ology practice of some prevents me from being so.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Once again thanks for the response...You have given me more things to ponder which is good.

I'm a work right now, so I don't have too much time to reply, but I would Like to reply to this last part, anyhow.


In my view, I think the answer to this is found in Revelations 13:8
Revelation 13:8King James Version (KJV)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I really don't think the Lamb was actually slain from the foundation of the world. I think this is talking about God knowing all...He knows the beginning from the end. So yes, he knows what the end's going to be and who will accept him or not, and in my opinion that is not saying that he just arbitrarily chose some people to write in the book of life. In my view, the Bible seems to consistently show from the beginning to the end that he allows men the choice to believe and obey him or not. So it ultimately comes down to our choice in the end. I think this is his plan and that is why scripture says... It is not his will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. We know he is God and he could make that happen...but he doesn't force it...He gives us all a choice and that's why not all will be saved...because he allows us to choose to believe and obey him or not.

Thanks Sissy for considering what I said. Yes, the Lamb was slain from before the creation of the world, but it came to pass in time. The elect were chosen in Christ from before the creation of the world, but their salvation came to pass in time.

I am the good Shepherd, and the good Shepherd gives His life for who? The sheep, His elect.

 

[SovereignGrace]

And all...but two...have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Oh, and those 99 that don't need repentance.

 

[Tinuviel]

Huh...I guess even if I said I believed evangelism to be unnecessary my signature would belie me . (I'm a bit slow. I just realized that now).

 

[Laish]

The answer is pretty plain no .We should never skip evangelism. Yea I am as Reformed as they come . I see it this way . We are to spread the Gospel to all the nations. Who are we to think that He will not use our fellow brothers and sisters to reach someone that has not heard? Scripture makes it clear one of our purposes is to spread the word . No one of any truly Reformed understanding of scripture will deny this .
Mathew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always,even to the end of the age “
Blessings
Bill

 

[preacher4truth]

Oh, and those 99 that don't need repentance.

Don't forget, some have even kept the whole law, and others didn't bow their knee to Baal, so, they're automatic for heaven, they've never sinned or committed evil! There's even a couple "verses" that "prove" it!

 

[IamWhoIam]

This is my thoughts on it, no where that I know of in the bible that says only those who have sin have a chance to come to the Father.

but scripture does say anyone who believes in Jesus and because of that belief in Jesus is the Son of God does have away to the Father.
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the '10', are from God's Heart, placed by Him into our hearts, this is how we survive and live,
day by day...we all will be judged' by our 'obedience' to Him and His Ways that He has taught us
from the Holy Scriptures upon 'CONVERSION'...

REV. 12:16.
And the earth helped the Woman, = CHURCH - and the earth opened her mouth,
and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Double that, let me see it.