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The problem with this way of thinking, is sometimes it is the programmed who see everyone else
as being those who are brain-washed. How do you know which side of the fence you are on?
When you can openly see and understand both sides. The whole reason programming is dangerous
is it controls and dictates how people think and behave, without reference to things outside the
situation they are in. It often puts lots of meaning into groups and people that simple do not
exist.
So to say all people not like x are all y is clearly false. Having a certain point of view is a positive
thing, all one can say about others who disagree is that they do not hold this point of view, not
that it means they are all in another group.
So the mantra of one particular group is the world is legalistic, and they are the free ones.
It is close to the anachists charter, except it is clearly absurd as everyone forms groups and
groups work by rules, and rules define structure. So to even belong to a group is to accept
structure. What the argument is always about, is some pain or hurt that came about in their
past which is now balanced out with the hatred of people who seem similar to those they hate.
A common trait or sign of this going on, is when someone says, "You are like I was 20+ years
ago." This is a projection on a stranger without any substantial information.
And these individuals will tell you strongly, you should not believe you know what others think
and be condemning, while doing exactly that. But I wonder if they are honest enough to see
their own behaviour and words spoken, to see it is just blowing in the wind.
It is slightly amusing then their whole contribution is to repeat the same mantra, condemning
while claiming innocense. And I admit I do not know what pain or trauma they are running from,
just it is continuous and is expressed week in week out.
as being those who are brain-washed. How do you know which side of the fence you are on?
When you can openly see and understand both sides. The whole reason programming is dangerous
is it controls and dictates how people think and behave, without reference to things outside the
situation they are in. It often puts lots of meaning into groups and people that simple do not
exist.
So to say all people not like x are all y is clearly false. Having a certain point of view is a positive
thing, all one can say about others who disagree is that they do not hold this point of view, not
that it means they are all in another group.
So the mantra of one particular group is the world is legalistic, and they are the free ones.
It is close to the anachists charter, except it is clearly absurd as everyone forms groups and
groups work by rules, and rules define structure. So to even belong to a group is to accept
structure. What the argument is always about, is some pain or hurt that came about in their
past which is now balanced out with the hatred of people who seem similar to those they hate.
A common trait or sign of this going on, is when someone says, "You are like I was 20+ years
ago." This is a projection on a stranger without any substantial information.
And these individuals will tell you strongly, you should not believe you know what others think
and be condemning, while doing exactly that. But I wonder if they are honest enough to see
their own behaviour and words spoken, to see it is just blowing in the wind.
It is slightly amusing then their whole contribution is to repeat the same mantra, condemning
while claiming innocense. And I admit I do not know what pain or trauma they are running from,
just it is continuous and is expressed week in week out.
I missed this.
David defeated Goliath, because he trusted God had trained him is defeating mighty creatures,
lions and bears, and Goliath was equal to them.
He also knew God defended people who stood up and walked with Him and the Philistines were
Gods enemies. So He trusted God would be with him.
Now this is what David himself says and does. This is what faith is, believing God has a purpose
and a calling on our lives, and when the challenge is there to jump in.
In what you wrote it appears you do not believe God gives those who have faith the strength.
But it amazes me how in your theology, anything to do with life is not God. I begin to lose any
understanding of what you regard is of God, as you discount almost everything.
David defeated Goliath, because he trusted God had trained him is defeating mighty creatures,
lions and bears, and Goliath was equal to them.
He also knew God defended people who stood up and walked with Him and the Philistines were
Gods enemies. So He trusted God would be with him.
Now this is what David himself says and does. This is what faith is, believing God has a purpose
and a calling on our lives, and when the challenge is there to jump in.
In what you wrote it appears you do not believe God gives those who have faith the strength.
But it amazes me how in your theology, anything to do with life is not God. I begin to lose any
understanding of what you regard is of God, as you discount almost everything.
Our works are, the keeping of the laws and commandments. You are saved by your works. If you're not part of the 12 tribes, your works or beliefs don't matter. The Son (YAHAWASHI) came to save Israel ONLY.
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Define the word keep as to its usage in the scriptures seeing to violate the least of the law is to be found guilty of whole eternal offence . One wage of sin, eternal separation from God never to rise to new Spirit life forever and ever.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet "offend" in one point, he is guilty of all.
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This is called 'fault finding', folks.
So I want to honor a comedian who happens to be deceased, so what. If you want I will replace it with a picture of myself, maybe one of me when I was in the military, or when I was a body builder, or me finger picking my guitar. Surely that will be much more acceptable to this crowd.
Here's an example of 'judging people based on how they act' that you are sure is not in the Bible:
"9I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say. 10For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church." (3 John 1:9-10 NASB)
...and last time I checked, John was not God.
So I want to honor a comedian who happens to be deceased, so what. If you want I will replace it with a picture of myself, maybe one of me when I was in the military, or when I was a body builder, or me finger picking my guitar. Surely that will be much more acceptable to this crowd.
Here's an example of 'judging people based on how they act' that you are sure is not in the Bible:
"9I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say. 10For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church." (3 John 1:9-10 NASB)
...and last time I checked, John was not God.
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He gives them his faith as a work that works in them to both will and do His good pleasure..... His strength.
He did not give it to Goliath .Only to those who have been born again. Those who have not the Spirit of Christ simply if do not belong to Christ. . .
It has everything to do with eternal life .
Offering dead works coming from a dead faith (a work of faith) like the man in Mathew 7 a worker of iniquity it only shows those who crucify Christ again and again every time they feel they have committed a wrong.
Can’t separate works from faith .Its why it’s called a work of faith (his) working in us . It both will and does that which was intended .
How do you understand the Hebrew 6 reference? Was the work of slaying Goliath accredited to David or the Spirit of Christ that lived in David?
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Towards God or from God towards us? Which master?
He did not give it to Goliath .Only to those who have been born again. Those who have not the Spirit of Christ simply if do not belong to Christ. . .
It has everything to do with eternal life .
Offering dead works coming from a dead faith (a work of faith) like the man in Mathew 7 a worker of iniquity it only shows those who crucify Christ again and again every time they feel they have committed a wrong.
Can’t separate works from faith .Its why it’s called a work of faith (his) working in us . It both will and does that which was intended .
How do you understand the Hebrew 6 reference? Was the work of slaying Goliath accredited to David or the Spirit of Christ that lived in David?
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Towards God or from God towards us? Which master?
here is an real-life example of judging correctly - when I moved into the house I now live in, my next door neighbor was a drunk. I can say that because I saw him drinking, smelled alcohol on his breath, watched him stumbling around, heard him with slurred speech.
now, if I see someone at a store buying a six-pack, I cannot call that person a drunk because there is not enough evidence to make a judgement. see the difference?
now, if I see someone at a store buying a six-pack, I cannot call that person a drunk because there is not enough evidence to make a judgement. see the difference?
What you were never taught because you don't read the old testament is the 12 tribes were split into two kingdoms. You have the southern kingdom (Judah) 1 Kings 8 and the northern kingdom (Ephraim) which went off into idolatry, they turned their back on TMH, so He was no long their God. They followed the customs of the nations where in which they were scattered. Those sheep that John is talking about are the northern kingdom.
Hosea 4:17 KJV - Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone. TMH told them in the wilderness if you listen to him this would happen
Deut 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
As you can see they didn't follow his commandments so this happened
Deut 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
They were no longer considered His people, that peculiar treasures that he called them
Hosea 1:10 KJV - 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living
This is the sheep He was talking about, they became the lost sheep of Israel. You know the ones Jesus came to save.
Matthew 15:24 KJV - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. This is the other sheep that he's bring into the fold, these are the gentiles, who practice the customs of the nations (heathens) where they were scattered. The gentiles are the children of Israel.
Deuteronomy 32:26 KJV - I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
Deuteronomy 32:26 KJV - 26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
He scattered them and said he would bring them back together again
Hosea 1:11 KJV - Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel
He told them to go to the lost sheep of Israel who are the gentiles
John 7:35 KJV - 35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles
Ephesians 2:11 KJV - Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
In times past you were once gentiles by the circumcision.
This is beautiful, this book is of one nation only, TMH called all other nations nothing He called them spittle. Read the bible for yourself.
Hosea 4:17 KJV - Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone. TMH told them in the wilderness if you listen to him this would happen
Deut 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
As you can see they didn't follow his commandments so this happened
Deut 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
They were no longer considered His people, that peculiar treasures that he called them
Hosea 1:10 KJV - 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living
This is the sheep He was talking about, they became the lost sheep of Israel. You know the ones Jesus came to save.
Matthew 15:24 KJV - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. This is the other sheep that he's bring into the fold, these are the gentiles, who practice the customs of the nations (heathens) where they were scattered. The gentiles are the children of Israel.
Deuteronomy 32:26 KJV - I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
Deuteronomy 32:26 KJV - 26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
He scattered them and said he would bring them back together again
Hosea 1:11 KJV - Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel
He told them to go to the lost sheep of Israel who are the gentiles
John 7:35 KJV - 35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles
Ephesians 2:11 KJV - Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
In times past you were once gentiles by the circumcision.
This is beautiful, this book is of one nation only, TMH called all other nations nothing He called them spittle. Read the bible for yourself.
What you were never taught because you don't read the old testament is the 12 tribes were split into two kingdoms. You have the southern kingdom (Judah) 1 Kings 8 and the northern kingdom (Ephraim) which went off into idolatry, they turned their back on TMH, so He was no long their God. They followed the customs of the nations where in which they were scattered. Those sheep that John is talking about are the northern kingdom.
Hosea 4:17 KJV - Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone. TMH told them in the wilderness if you listen to him this would happen
Deut 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
As you can see they didn't follow his commandments so this happened
Deut 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
They were no longer considered His people, that peculiar treasures that he called them
Hosea 1:10 KJV - 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living
This is the sheep He was talking about, they became the lost sheep of Israel. You know the ones Jesus came to save.
Matthew 15:24 KJV - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. This is the other sheep that he's bring into the fold, these are the gentiles, who practice the customs of the nations (heathens) where they were scattered. The gentiles are the children of Israel.
Deuteronomy 32:26 KJV - I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
Deuteronomy 32:26 KJV - 26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
He scattered them and said he would bring them back together again
Hosea 1:11 KJV - Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel
He told them to go to the lost sheep of Israel who are the gentiles
John 7:35 KJV - 35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles
Ephesians 2:11 KJV - Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
In times past you were once gentiles by the circumcision.
This is beautiful, this book is of one nation only, TMH called all other nations nothing He called them spittle. Read the bible for yourself.
Hosea 4:17 KJV - Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone. TMH told them in the wilderness if you listen to him this would happen
Deut 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
As you can see they didn't follow his commandments so this happened
Deut 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
They were no longer considered His people, that peculiar treasures that he called them
Hosea 1:10 KJV - 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living
This is the sheep He was talking about, they became the lost sheep of Israel. You know the ones Jesus came to save.
Matthew 15:24 KJV - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. This is the other sheep that he's bring into the fold, these are the gentiles, who practice the customs of the nations (heathens) where they were scattered. The gentiles are the children of Israel.
Deuteronomy 32:26 KJV - I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
Deuteronomy 32:26 KJV - 26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
He scattered them and said he would bring them back together again
Hosea 1:11 KJV - Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel
He told them to go to the lost sheep of Israel who are the gentiles
John 7:35 KJV - 35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles
Ephesians 2:11 KJV - Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
In times past you were once gentiles by the circumcision.
This is beautiful, this book is of one nation only, TMH called all other nations nothing He called them spittle. Read the bible for yourself.
Excuse you, I have never said that I don't get a personal message when I read the bible.. However I HAVE said that I don't ALWAYS get a message when I read. There is a difference. And also, I know quite alot about truth.. thanks very much. I know a false gospel when I see one, and I see many false gospels on this site.
Also, your post here is rather presumptuous, and a tad judgemental. Just because I don't read all that often, does NOT mean that I don't know anything about truth.
And also, I know quite alot about truth.. thanks very much. I know a false gospel when I see one, and I see many false gospels on this site.Also, your post here is rather presumptuous, and a tad judgemental. Just because I don't read all that often, does NOT mean that I don't know anything about truth.
Excuse you, I have never said that I don't get a personal message when I read the bible.. However I HAVE said that I don't ALWAYS get a message when I read. There is a difference. And also, I know quite alot about truth.. thanks very much. I know a false gospel when I see one, and I see many false gospels on this site.
Also, your post here is rather presumptuous, and a tad judgemental. Just because I don't read all that often, does NOT mean that I don't know anything about truth.
And also, I know quite alot about truth.. thanks very much. I know a false gospel when I see one, and I see many false gospels on this site.Also, your post here is rather presumptuous, and a tad judgemental. Just because I don't read all that often, does NOT mean that I don't know anything about truth.
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It is all one book. I am aware of both the old and the new. The sheep he refers to in John are of any nation. God is not respecter of persons, never was, never will be.
The reformation has come .Using the outward flesh of a Jew as types and shadows through many parables came to an end.
The Jews revert back to Gentile status from where they were taken from temporally.
Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
The tribe of Dan is missing in the Revelation account. What do you think the purpose of removing it was in respect to?
The Jews that rejected the Son of man simply do not acknowledge the reformation has come . They are still waiting for him to come in the flesh the first time.Scripture identifies them as antichrists.
The government of God restored to another time period .It’s what reformations do restore.. I would suggest that of the period Judges. When Israel had no outward representative to have their faith after .becoming jealous of the surrounding pagan nation they insisted on a King. God gave them over temporally to do what they should not .rejecting Him as King not walking by faith .
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until" the time of reformation.Hebrews 9
It’s not a book of any nation. Its God word after no man or in respect to no man . as if God was a mans as us and there was a fleshly mediator that stands between God and man .
Call no man on earth Rabbi/ Master/teacher for one is our master in heaven.
God’s not Jewish .He remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.
The reformation has come .Using the outward flesh of a Jew as types and shadows through many parables came to an end.
The Jews revert back to Gentile status from where they were taken from temporally.
Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
The tribe of Dan is missing in the Revelation account. What do you think the purpose of removing it was in respect to?
The Jews that rejected the Son of man simply do not acknowledge the reformation has come . They are still waiting for him to come in the flesh the first time.Scripture identifies them as antichrists.
The government of God restored to another time period .It’s what reformations do restore.. I would suggest that of the period Judges. When Israel had no outward representative to have their faith after .becoming jealous of the surrounding pagan nation they insisted on a King. God gave them over temporally to do what they should not .rejecting Him as King not walking by faith .
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until" the time of reformation.Hebrews 9
It’s not a book of any nation. Its God word after no man or in respect to no man . as if God was a mans as us and there was a fleshly mediator that stands between God and man .
Call no man on earth Rabbi/ Master/teacher for one is our master in heaven.
God’s not Jewish .He remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.
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Titus 3:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.
Romans 3:28 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not from works, so that no one can boast.
Galatians 3:2-3 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
Galatians 2:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Do you like Contradicting what the Scriptures actually say?
Works have NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION, and the only way they are of value is when you do them as way to show love for Christ and Love for the Father.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,
NOW BEFORE YOU START PATTING YOURSELF ON THE BACK FOR LOVING GOD, GUESS WHERE THAT LOVE COMES FROM?
Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
AND How much Value does God put on works of Righteousness NOT done out of Love for HIM?
Isaiah 64:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.
more dna-religion??????? ur spiritual status in ur profile says "unsure" so why should i or anyone else take ur supremacist doctrine seriously?????? the "gentiles" were not the "lost sheep of Israel" they were two separate groups...... u see this is way offtopic anyway........ whaaaaat.
u are an american, most likely u are one of the black hebrew israelites bcuz u use the word "yahawashi" for Jesus..... no manuscript reads yahawashi btw. James White already demolished this cult. get over ur dna-ego. ur not special.
u are an american, most likely u are one of the black hebrew israelites bcuz u use the word "yahawashi" for Jesus..... no manuscript reads yahawashi btw. James White already demolished this cult. get over ur dna-ego. ur not special.
