I heard it through the grape vine.
Not By Works
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I heard it through the grape vine.
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I would not worry about believing me, I would worry about believing God. Because that is what he said, If works could get us to heaven, Jesus died in vein.
People who are trying to earn salvation by works are not his people. Thats the point you and all those like you do not understand.
You can ONLY come to God through Christ. And ONLY through faith. Obedience has never, is not, and will never save ANYONE.
You all want to earn salvation, feel free. But at least stand for what you believe and stop denying it!
People who are trying to earn salvation by works are not his people. Thats the point you and all those like you do not understand.
You can ONLY come to God through Christ. And ONLY through faith. Obedience has never, is not, and will never save ANYONE.
You all want to earn salvation, feel free. But at least stand for what you believe and stop denying it!
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Faith without works is dead.. True, absolutely true. 
But, those same works done to gain, keep or maintain salvation, are also dead. They will gain you nothing, not even a ticket to heaven..
But, those same works done to gain, keep or maintain salvation, are also dead. They will gain you nothing, not even a ticket to heaven..
Yep,. Because works cancel out grace. As paul said, if it is of grace it is no longer of works, otherwise Grace stops being grace. And vice verse
Faith without works is dead.. True, absolutely true.
But, those same works done to gain, keep or maintain salvation, are also dead. They will gain you nothing, not even a ticket to heaven..
But, those same works done to gain, keep or maintain salvation, are also dead. They will gain you nothing, not even a ticket to heaven..
Ridiculous that you attribute cancelling out Grace.. by doing the works that the Messiah taught us through His Testament..
Paul taught the New wine v the Old... teaching it is better and is the promise to Abraham.. and that all who Believe can be saved regardless of their flesh heritage.. which Paul comes to learn that it all meant nothing if he did not believe GOD through Jesus Christ.. He knew that His belief made Him new inwardly and He was forgiven and reconciled through His Faith.
Paul never taught anyone not to Keep the Commandments he affirms the Royal Law through and through. Yet if you see not how the 10 are separated through Christ's Testament then you should seek GOD.. because GOD's Law did not Change, no it is we the creation that was dead at enmity to it if Christ did not come to Redeem us.. making us new inwardly.. like He said clean the inside of the cup first.. which He does to us when we Believe.
Paul taught the New wine v the Old... teaching it is better and is the promise to Abraham.. and that all who Believe can be saved regardless of their flesh heritage.. which Paul comes to learn that it all meant nothing if he did not believe GOD through Jesus Christ.. He knew that His belief made Him new inwardly and He was forgiven and reconciled through His Faith.
Paul never taught anyone not to Keep the Commandments he affirms the Royal Law through and through. Yet if you see not how the 10 are separated through Christ's Testament then you should seek GOD.. because GOD's Law did not Change, no it is we the creation that was dead at enmity to it if Christ did not come to Redeem us.. making us new inwardly.. like He said clean the inside of the cup first.. which He does to us when we Believe.
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go to blueletterbible and see if the new testament greek says YHWH.... isnt it a lot of work to change the words in every quote you make????? the word for God in greek is theos if im not wrong u see........ and Lord is kurios. so next time if u wanna keep it original type in "If anyone says I love theos..."? why is the hebrew not written in the manuscripts if its so special...... im seriously asking this i wanna know.
go to blueletterbible and see if the new testament greek says YHWH.... isnt it a lot of work to change the words in every quote you make????? the word for God in greek is theos if im not wrong u see........ and Lord is kurios. so next time if u wanna keep it original type in "If anyone says I love theos..."?
why is the hebrew not written in the manuscripts if its so special...... im seriously asking this i wanna know.Here is the answer:
Matthew 7
4Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
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Romans 4 : 1 - 8 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
2 tim 1: 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Rom 11: 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Rediculous huh? Tell that to paul.
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
2 tim 1: 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Rom 11: 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Rediculous huh? Tell that to paul.
u got any good sermons on imputed righteousness of Christ i should check out u see?????? i wanna learn something more of it. we are still called to repent and behave well u see. so while we got the righteousness of Christ we are also to do good n tings...... maybe one is for salvation(imputed) and one is for God's glory and fruit of salvation (our own righteous deeds in eph 2:10, 1 john 3:7) am i on the right track u see??????
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Well there you go people. Loveme once again shows (proves) she is unreliable and never listens to a word people say.
She gets the point that I and others like me say we should and do obey Gods commands
but she refuses to see that we do not preach they are works, that they only a work when used as a means to maintain salvation, thus canceling out the grace of God which purchased them
Now if she would ever listen to us, she would never make these grieviosu errors in what we are saying, But like peter and the rest of her group. They have selective listening skills.
She gets the point that I and others like me say we should and do obey Gods commands
but she refuses to see that we do not preach they are works, that they only a work when used as a means to maintain salvation, thus canceling out the grace of God which purchased them
Now if she would ever listen to us, she would never make these grieviosu errors in what we are saying, But like peter and the rest of her group. They have selective listening skills.
Yes it is ridiculous that you are using Paul's writings to justify your unbelief..
Put those verses back in context... and learn that there was an Old Covenant and a New Covenant.. one GOD wrote His Law in stone and the New.. He said He would write them on our Heart and put them in our Mind....
Paul is teaching the New in place of the Old... yet the unlearned wrestle... and you wrestle because you can not believe that Jesus taught the Royal Law which is to Love GOD and each other which the 10 are the base of.. but if the word is not mixed with Faith it profits not.
We are saved by Grace through Faith unto good works.... the Holy Spirit is not given by our works.. not it is given by believing.. and then growing in Grace and knowledge of Christ who is within us lighting the way Home as we abide here on earth.. while our mortal body houses our Spirit until we put on the immortal.
Let us be found worthy to walk in white by being Faithful to our First Love...