IS A LEGAL MARRIAGE REQUIRED FOR MARRIAGE BEFORE GOD? HEBREW ROOTS/MESSIANIC NONSENSE
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I actually did also because most translations handle it that way, however I found a translations that handled it as "whore" so I look at the root word, honestly some resources have it as only prostitute, and some have it as sexually immoral in prostitution, fornication and more. Now I have to say the resources that have the broader description I think is right because it is an advanced and much much more complete resource, giving much more detailed answers rather than a single word. Also and an even bigger deal and really proof IMO, this definition is in line with some of Yahshua teachings concerning this matter. We know Yahshua taught His Fathers doctrine not His own;
John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
Thus this is in line;
Matthew 15:19, “For out of the heart come evil thoughts; murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.”
“sexual immorality” is word G4202 πορνεία porneia (por-nei'-a) n., 1. prostitution (including adultery, incest, and porn)., 2. (by extension) unwedded stimulation or fulfillment of sexual desire., 3. (figuratively) idolatry., [from G4203], KJV: fornication , Root(s): G4203, See also: H8457
Leviticus 19:29, “Do not profane your daughter by making her a whore, so that the land does not whore, and the land becomes filled with wickedness.”
“whore” is word #H2181 זָנָה zanah (zaw-naw') v., 1. to commit adultery (usually of the female)., 2. (less often) to commit fornication., 3. (rarely) to commit rape., 4. (figuratively) to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Yahweh)., [a primitive root (highly-fed and therefore wanton)], KJV: (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.
John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
Thus this is in line;
Matthew 15:19, “For out of the heart come evil thoughts; murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.”
“sexual immorality” is word G4202 πορνεία porneia (por-nei'-a) n., 1. prostitution (including adultery, incest, and porn)., 2. (by extension) unwedded stimulation or fulfillment of sexual desire., 3. (figuratively) idolatry., [from G4203], KJV: fornication , Root(s): G4203, See also: H8457
Leviticus 19:29, “Do not profane your daughter by making her a whore, so that the land does not whore, and the land becomes filled with wickedness.”
“whore” is word #H2181 זָנָה zanah (zaw-naw') v., 1. to commit adultery (usually of the female)., 2. (less often) to commit fornication., 3. (rarely) to commit rape., 4. (figuratively) to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Yahweh)., [a primitive root (highly-fed and therefore wanton)], KJV: (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.
Correct, Adam and Eve had no government to get a marriage license from, God brought them together. In the case of Braveheart, they went as far as they could, and got married by their minister in secret. Yes, it’s possible to be married by God only. But God tells us to obey the laws of the land- therefore to purposely not get a marriage license means you are not married because you didn’t obey God. A couple cannot simply pronounce themselves married and continue to live in fornication.
You are wrong.
Again.
Marriage is holy union by God's will
Nothing will ever control Gods will.
When God unites man and woman they are married.
You need nothing else.
Are you seriously suggesting God needs license to marry ?
Ridiculous.
Marriage has NOTHING to do with laws of man .
Accepting authority is totally different issue it has nothing to do with two being united by God.
The couple might need to answer to God about rejecting authority of man.
But they are married... by God and it has nothing to do with the authority of man or rejection of it.
Again.
Marriage is holy union by God's will
Nothing will ever control Gods will.
When God unites man and woman they are married.
You need nothing else.
Are you seriously suggesting God needs license to marry ?
Ridiculous.
Marriage has NOTHING to do with laws of man .
Accepting authority is totally different issue it has nothing to do with two being united by God.
The couple might need to answer to God about rejecting authority of man.
But they are married... by God and it has nothing to do with the authority of man or rejection of it.
J
im not saying its one or the other. you make a good case and it may be correct, all im saying is its hard for me to believe the man and women that live together and only have sex with each other and no one else, are no different than the man and women that have weekly sex parties and have sex with anyone and everyone. and the latter was going on a lot in ancient greece.
It is common sense but it is sin and we paid!!!! Not one, no not one, person got away with multiple wives, let alone sex outside of marriage. Have you read about Father Abraham, Absalom? What was the curse because man was to leave their mother and father and become one flesh with their wife? ... Well lets see the arab people and Absalom was not the eternal ear to the throne. it still worked out and it was given to Messiah but by a different Davidic King. Sex outside of marriage and sex before marriage is SIN PERIOD!!!! AND THERE IS CONSEQUENCES BY G-D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ther e is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death. I never said forncation with a single partner is the same as thise things.
Umm I dont too much like metaphors, but Ill try; generally speaking, If someone steals a single item, it is a single sin. If someone steals 5 times it is 5 sins. And like fornacation being different than oter sexual sins, if someone steals and physically harms them in the process, it is sin for stealing and sin for hurting them physically.''
Now im not saying because the metaphor is true it applies here, hoever Im trying to use it to show there is a difference in different sexual immorality.
Also I am going to continue to study this matter.