Sabbath Rest

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phil36

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A very clear article that should hopefully give us all a better understanding of the NT teaching (especially from Hebrews) regarding the Sabbath and Sabbath rest. Although it speaks of reformed authors, it still has all the ingredients that Evangelicals hold.

Sabbath Rest

by Sinclair Ferguson

The anonymous author of Hebrews found different ways of describing the superiority of the Lord Jesus Christ. One of them, which forms the underlying motif of chapters 3 and 4, is that Jesus Christ gives the rest that neither Moses nor Joshua could provide. Under Moses, the people of God were disobedient and failed to enter into God’s rest (3:18). Psalm 95:11 (quoted in Hebrews 4:3) implies that Joshua could not have given the people “real rest” since “through David” God speaks about the rest he will give on another day (Heb. 4:7). This in turn implies that “There remains a sabbath rest for the people of God” (Heb. 4:9).

In speaking of this rest (3:18; 4:1, 3-6, 8) the author consistently used the same word for “rest” (katapausis). Suddenly, in speaking about the “rest” that remains for the people of God, he uses a different word (sabbatismos, used only here in the NT) meaning specifically a Sabbath rest. In the context of his teaching, this refers fundamentally to the “Sabbath rest” which is found in Christ (“Come … I will give you rest,” Matt. 11:28-30). Thus we are to “strive to enter that rest” (4:11).

Since Augustine, Christians have recognized that the Bible describes human experience in a fourfold scheme: in(i) creation, (ii) fall, (iii) redemption and (iv) glory. We are familiar with echoes of this in the Westminster Confession of Faith (chapter 9) and in Thomas Boston’s great book Human Nature in its Fourfold State. It is no surprise then that the Sabbath, which was made for man, is experienced by him in four ways.

In creation, man was made as God’s image—intended “naturally” as God’s child to reflect his Father. Since his Father worked creatively for six days and rested on the seventh, Adam, like a son, was to copy Him. Together, on the seventh day, they were to walk in the garden. That day was a time to listen to all the Father had to show and tell about the wonders of His creating work.

Thus the Sabbath Day was meant to be “Father’s Day” every week. It was “made” for Adam. It also had a hint of the future in it. The Father had finished His work, but Adam had not.

But Adam fell. He ruined everything, including the Sabbath. Instead of walking with God, he hid from God (Gen. 3:8). It was the Sabbath, Father’s Day, but God had to look for him!.

This new context helps us to understand the significance of the fourth commandment. It was given to fallen man—that is why it contains a “you shall not.” He was not to work, but to rest. Externally, that meant ceasing from his ordinary tasks in order to meet with God. Internally, it involved ceasing from all self-sufficiency in order to rest in God’s grace.

Considering this, what difference did the coming of Jesus make to the Sabbath day? In Christ crucified and risen, we find eternal rest (Matt. 11:28-30), and we are restored to communion with God (Matt. 11:25-30). The lost treasures of the Sabbath are restored. We rest in Christ from our labor of self-sufficiency, and we have access to the Father (Eph. 2:18). As we meet with Him, He shows us Himself, His ways, His world, His purposes, His glory. And whatever was temporary about the Mosaic Sabbath must be left behind as the reality of the intimate communion of the Adamic Sabbath is again experienced in our worship of the risen Savior on the first day of the week&mdash the Lord’s Day.
But we have not yet reached the goal. We still struggle to rest from our labors; we still must “strive to enter that rest” (Heb. 4:11).

Consequently the weekly nature of the Sabbath continues as a reminder that we are not yet home with the Father. And since this rest is ours only through union with Christ in His death and resurrection, our struggles to refuse the old life and enjoy the new continue.

But one may ask: “How does this impact my Sundays as a Christian?” This view of the Sabbath should help us regulate our weeks. Sunday is “Father’s Day,” and we have an appointment to meet Him. The child who asks “How short can the meeting be?” has a dysfunctional relationship problem—not an intellectual, theological problem—something is amiss in his fellowship with God.

This view of the Sabbath helps us deal with the question “Is it ok to do … on Sunday?—because I don’t have any time to do it in the rest of the week?” If this is our question, the problem is not how we use Sunday, it is how we are misusing the rest of the week.
This view of the Lord’s Day helps us see the day as a foretaste of heaven. And it teaches us that if the worship, fellowship, ministry, and outreach of our churches do not give expression to that then something is seriously amiss.

Hebrews teaches us that eternal glory is a Sabbath rest. Every day, all day, will be “Father’s Day!” Thus if here and now we learn the pleasures of a God-given weekly rhythm, it will no longer seem strange to us that the eternal glory can be described as a prolonged Sabbath!

http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/sabbath-rest/

 

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Genesis 2:2-3, “And in the seventh day Ylohim completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And Ylohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which Ylohim had done.”

The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath is one of the 10 Commandments, and we are told by YHWH to “remember” it, yet it seems to be the most forgotten Commandment:

Exodus 20:8-11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart." Six days you labour, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה your Ylohim. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.”

The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath is called the sign/mark showing the evidence of consent to YHWH the Creator of the heavens and Earth:

Exodus 31:13-17, “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign* between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart. And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to you. Everyone who profanes it shall certainly be put to death, for anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his people. ‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to יהוה. Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall certainly be put to death. ‘And the children of Yisra’ĕl shall guard the Sabbath, to perform the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant. ‘Between Me and the children of Yisra’ĕl it is a sign* forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.”

Leviticus 20:7-8, "Consecrate and sanctify yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am YHWH your Father. You must therefore keep My statutes, and perform and do them; I am YHWH Who consecrates and sanctifies you."

Ezekiel 20:12-20, “And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign* between them and Me, to know that I am יהוה who sets them apart. But the house of Yisra’ĕl rebelled against Me in the wilderness. They did not walk in My laws, and they rejected My right-rulings, which, if a man does, he shall live by them. And they greatly profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My wrath on them in the wilderness, to consume them. But I acted for My Name’s sake, not to profane it before the nations, before whose eyes I had brought them out. And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, the splendor of all lands, because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after their idols. And My eye pardoned them, from destroying them. And I did not make an end of them in the wilderness. And I said to their children in the wilderness, ‘Do not walk in the laws of your fathers, nor observe their rulings, nor defile yourselves with their idols. I am יהוה your Ylohim. Walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and do them. And set apart My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign* between Me and you, to know that I am יהוה your Ylohim.’"

The word *sign is word #H226 – אוֹת - Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Hebrew Dictionary: meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Now the usual response to those in opposition is “the Sabbath is only for Jews (Israelites/Hebrews) or that the Law has been done away. We will use Scripture to show neither of these are true:

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:28-29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

 
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Seems like the OP is the Word of Website over the Word of God with very little scripture.

No where in this OP does the word of Website show scripture to say God's 4th commandment have been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. Maybe the reason for this is because there is no scripture or command in God's Word....

This is because Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. God warns us in his Word that if we follow the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following him....

Matthew 15:3-9

3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who should we obey God or man? The Word of God or the word of website?
 
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Romans 14:4-6 NKJV
[4] Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. [5] One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. [6] He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
 

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Seems like the OP is the Word of Website over the Word of God with very little scripture.
Hebrews chapter 3 and 4, Hebrews 3:18, Psalm 95:11 (quoted in Hebrews 4:3), Hebrews 4:7, Hebrews 4:9, Hebrews 3:18; Hebrews 4:1, Hebrews 3-6, 8, Matthew 11:28-30, Hebrews 4:11, Genesis 3:8, Matthew 11:28-30, Matthew 11:25-30, Ephesians. 2:18, and Hebrews 4:11, is very little?
 
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Romans 14
v1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
The first thing we see here is that this chapter is about relating to a weak brother.

v2 For one believe that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
v3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth
not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.


So, if you encounter one who is weak in the faith and believes he must eat vegetables only,
don’t let this puff you up and do not judge him…

2Co 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some
that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing
themselves among themselves, are not wise.

v4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth
or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


The context so far is about judging others that are eating vegetables only....

Now to the meat and potatoes…..


v5 One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
v6 He that regards the day, regards it unto the Lord; and he that regards not the day,
to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he gives God thanks;
and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks.


Why is eating and fasting (not eating) connected to days here? Let’s see…

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee,
that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.


From Bullingers Companion Bible…
Luke 18:12
twice in the week. The law prescribed only one in the year (Lev_16:29. Num_29:7).
By the time of Zec_8:19 there were four yearly fasts. In our Lord's day they were bi-weekly (Monday and Thursday), between Passover and Pentecost; and between the Feast of Tabernacles and the Dedication. They fasted two days a week, Monday and Thursday, EVERY MONDAY and EVERY THURSDAY during some of the Jewish annual festivals and Holy days according to the laws of Moses.

v7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
v8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord:
whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
v9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both
of the dead and living.
v10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
v11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.
v12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
v13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather,
that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
v14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself:
but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

v15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walks thou not charitably.
Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.


Now Paul shifts his attention to meat offered to idols. At the time, meat and drink were offered to pagan idols. After it was offered it was sold in a meat market called the ‘Shambles’.

1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

Shambles…

G3111
µa´?e????
makellon
Thayer Definition:
1) a place where meat and other articles of food are sold, meat market
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Latin origin [macellum]
Citing in TDNT: 4:370, 549

There were those who were weak in the faith (verse 1) who were offended by the possibility of their food being offered to idol so they became vegetarians. They somehow thought that eating that food was somehow connecting them with the idolatrous practices around them. This is why the following is written…............

v16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
v17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness,
and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


Meat here is…

G1035
ß???s??
bro¯sis
bro'-sis
From the base of G977; (abstractly) eating (literally or figuratively);
by extension (concretely) food (literally or figuratively): - eating, food, meat.

Notice it is food, not clean or unclean flesh.

G4213
p?´s??
posis
pos'-is
From the alternate of G4095; a drinking (the act), that is, (concretely) a draught: - drink.
Drinking, can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverages. Paul was dealing with ascetism
and the belief that doing without was somehow a show of character.
He dealt with this issue at Colossae also…

Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility,
and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

v18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
v19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace,
and things wherewith one may edify another.
v20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure;
but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.


The word for meat here is broma, from Thayer’s…
G1033
ß???µa
bro¯ma
Thayer Definition:
1) that which is eaten, food
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G977
Citing in TDNT: 1:642, 111

Again, we are dealing with food.

v21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby
thy brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak.


So, it is not dealing with clean and unclean, but with flesh (meat) and wine (drink)
that makes a weak brother stumble. It is dealing with food offered to idols, fasting and the Jewish annual festivals or Holy days

v22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God.
Happy is he that condemns not himself in that thing which he allows.
v23 And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith:
for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
(from proveall modified)

Key points......

1. The whole Chapter does not even mention God's 4th commandment which is the 7th Day Sabbath
2. There is no command to abolish the 7th day Sabbath as there is no command to now keep Sunday a Holy day.
3. Romans 14:5-6 is referring to eating and eating not (fasting) for the annual Jewish festivals (holy days) from the law of Moses that where shadows of things to come

So Romans Chapter 14 including verses 5-6 does not say that God’s Sabbath commandment has been abolished or does it say that we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day……


 
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Hebrews chapter 3 and 4, 3:18, Psalm 95:11 (quoted in Hebrews 4:3), Hebrews 4:7, Hebrews 4:9, 3:18; 4:1, 3-6, 8, Matthew 11:28-30, Hebrews 4:11, Genesis 3:8, Matthew 11:28-30, Matthew 11:25-30, Ephesians. 2:18, and Hebrews 4:11, is very little?
None of which tells us that the Sabbath commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday as a Holy day........
 

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None of which tells us that the Sabbath commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday as a Holy day........
Way to dodge admitting your misrepresentation, eh? Just pretend it did not exist.
 
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Way to dodge admitting your misrepresentation, eh? Just pretend it did not exist.
Hello Magenta,

There is no dodging anything. Only the truth has been stated. None of your scripture references say that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday Holy.

As mentioned earlier Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and if we do this we are not following God. These are God's Words not mine.....

Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who should we obey God or man? The Word of God or the word of website?

I am happy to talk scripture with you pick your best verse and lets discuss it.....
 

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Hello Magenta,

There is no dodging anything. Only the truth has been stated. None of your scripture references say that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday Holy.
They were not MY Scripture references, but those given in the OP, which you claimed had very little Scripture. Did you even bother reading the OP before passing such judgment on it?
 
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They were not MY Scripture references, but those given in the OP, which you claimed had very little Scripture. Did you even bother reading the OP before passing such judgment on it?
Not really the claim was not that there was no scripture but very little scripture provided in a long post and that at the end of the OP not one scripture presented says that God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as it is a tradition of Man that breaks the commandments of God. That is all that was said.

Who should we believe God or man? Who should we believe the Word of God or the word of website?
 
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I did not say no Scripture, I said exactly what you did. Do you always twist what is said? If you can't be honest there is no point talking to you while you pretend to keep the law.
Friend,

With all respect, when did you hear me say that you said no scripture? I said that I was not claiming there was no scripture but only as I originally stated and that was very little of it in a long post that did not support the OP interpretation of the scriptures that the Sabbath is abolished and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday Holy. To accuse someone of saying something that they have not is being dishonest as I did not twist anything you were saying at all..... Maybe you are tired and it was a mistake on your part and not intentional...
 
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Galatians 4:8-10 NKJV
[8] But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. [9] But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? [10] You observe days and months and seasons and years.
tsk, tsk

Hebrews 10:1 NKJV
[1] For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
 

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Not really the claim was not that there was no scripture but very little scripture provided in a long post and that at the end of the OP not one scripture presented says that God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as it is a tradition of Man that breaks the commandments of God. That is all that was said.

Who should we believe God or man? Who should we believe the Word of God or the word of website?


The phrase “the Lord of the Sabbath” is found in Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, and Luke 6:5. In all three instances Jesus is referring to Himself as the Lord of the Sabbath or, as Mark records it, “The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:28). In these verses, Jesus is proclaiming that He is the One who exercises authority even over the rules and regulations that govern the Sabbath day.

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As Creator, Christ was the original Lord of the Sabbath (John 1:3; Hebrews 1:10). He had the authority to overrule the Pharisees’ traditions and regulations because He had created the Sabbath
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As Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus had the right, power, and authority to dispense it in any way He pleased, even to the abolishing of it and reinstituting it as the Lord’s Day, a day of worship. Since the Lord of the Sabbath had come, He who is the only true “Sabbath rest” made the old law of the Sabbath no longer needed or binding. When He said, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27), Jesus was attesting to the fact that, just as the Sabbath day was originally instituted to give man rest from his labors, so did He come to provide us rest from laboring to achieve our own salvation by our works. Because of His sacrifice on the cross, we can now forever cease laboring to attain God’s favor and rest in His mercy and grace.

Full article here: https://www.gotquestions.org/Lord-of-the-Sabbath.html


 

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Friend,

With all respect, when did you hear me say that you said no scripture? I said that I was not claiming there was no scripture but only as I originally stated and that was very little of it in a long post that did not support the OP interpretation of the scriptures that the Sabbath is abolished and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday Holy. To accuse someone of saying something that they have not is being dishonest as I did not twist anything you were saying at all..... Maybe you are tired and it was a mistake on your part and not intentional...
There was more than "very little Scripture" as you claimed, regardless of what those Scriptures attested to, and that was the point. There were quite a few, so your refusal to admit that, along with saying "not really" to me as if I had said something I did not, when I had used your exact words, just looked off to me, and another misrepresentation, even if implied. There was no reason for you to deny saying there were no Scriptures, for I had never made that claim that you had in the first place, so you have now accused me of saying something I did not. And now you want to make me out to be dishonest while you refused to admit to your error in the first place.
 
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Galatians 4:8-10 NKJV
[8] But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. [9] But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? [10] You observe days and months and seasons and years.
tsk, tsk

Hebrews 10:1 NKJV
[1] For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Well no this does not say that the 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and that we are now commanded to Keep Sunday Holy. They are wonderful scriptures though......

What laws do you think Hebrews 10:1 is talking about? (read verses 1-14)

That being said God's Law (10 commandments) also made nothing perfect because it only gives a knowledge of good and evil or sin and righteousness so that all the world should become guilty before God and points to the penalty for sin to lead all to the Savior (Romans 3:20. 7:7; James 2:11 and 1 John 3:4; John 6:23).

Unlike the laws of Moses which were Shadows pointing of things to come. God's Law is forever and the very standard in the Old and new Covenants and of the judgement to come and if we break it we stand guilty before God of committing sin. If we say we know him and do not keep his commandments we are lying and the truth is not in us....

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

We must obey God rather than man....
 
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I see more Word of website coming......


The phrase “the Lord of the Sabbath” is found in Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, and Luke 6:5. In all three instances Jesus is referring to Himself as the Lord of the Sabbath or, as Mark records it, “The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:28). In these verses, Jesus is proclaiming that He is the One who exercises authority even over the rules and regulations that govern the Sabbath day.
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As Creator, Christ was the original Lord of the Sabbath (John 1:3; Hebrews 1:10). He had the authority to overrule the Pharisees’ traditions and regulations because He had created the Sabbath
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Well the above is true, because Jesus is the creator of heaven and earth so of course he is Lord of the Sabbath as he is the creator and maker of all things in heaven and earth. The 7th Day of the creation week is when the Sabbath was made Holy (John 1:1-14; Gen 2:1-3), However the word of website misses out quoting Mark 2:27 which says that the reason why he made the Sabbath was for mankind.........
As Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus had the right, power, and authority to dispense it in any way He pleased, even to the abolishing of it and reinstituting it as the Lord’s Day, a day of worship.
I agree that Jesus has all authority as he is the creator, so where in God's Word does it say that God has ABOLISHED the 4th commandment (7th Day Sabbath) and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday Holy? If you cannot show it why do you not fear God and follow the traditions of man over the Word of God? We must follow God's Word if you love Jesus
Since the Lord of the Sabbath had come, He who is the only true “Sabbath rest” made the old law of the Sabbath no longer needed or binding. When He said, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27),

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Full article here:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Lord-of-the-Sabbath.html
So where in God's Word does it say Jesus is a Sabbath and ABOLISHED the Old Sabbath now commanding all to follow Sunday Worship? All of the above has no foundation in the Word of God. It is a teaching and tradition of Man. If we are following the teachings of man over the Word of we are not following he who loves all... Sunday worship is a teaching of man over the Word of God and if you follow it you are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)


 
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There was more than "very little Scripture" as you claimed, regardless of what those Scriptures attested to, and that was the point. There were quite a few, so your refusal to admit that, along with saying "not really" to me as if I had said something I did not, when I had used your exact words, just looked off to me, and another misrepresentation, even if implied. There was no reason for you to deny saying there were no Scriptures, for I had never made that claim that you had in the first place, so you have now accused me of saying something I did not. And now you want to make me out to be dishonest while you refused to admit to your error in the first place.

Friend,

You are offended because I tell you the truth. God's Word is truth and it is the Word that saves us. Only those that speak the truth in their heart will dwell in His Holy Hill. He teaches us his ways so we can walk in truth, through faith and not by sight. If we are sanctified through the truth how will you be saved if you do not know Him? He is the Word of God and stands at the door and knocks. It is up to us to open the door so he can sup with us. Don't be offended because I speak the truth. His Word is truth and if we do not follow him who loves all, we will not hear His voice. If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
 

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Friend, You are offended because I tell you the truth.
There was more than "very little Scripture" referenced in the OP. That is the truth of the matter. I am sorry it offends you, and that you are incapable of acknowledging the truth of it.