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There was more than "very little Scripture" referenced in the OP. That is the truth of the matter. I am sorry it offends you, and that you are incapable of acknowledging the truth of it.

Ok friend, which one of those scriptures that you say is more then a few says God's 7th Day Sabbath is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday Holy? If none of them say this than why do you not believe God? We must obey God rather then man don't you think?
 
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mailmandan

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There was more than "very little Scripture" referenced in the OP. That is the truth of the matter. I am sorry it offends you, and that you are incapable of acknowledging the truth of it.
You can't show a blind man anything. :rolleyes:

Keeping the Sabbath day with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13), was part of a covenant with Israel that is NOT applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)

Keep fighting the good fight of faith and God bless you Magenta! :)
 

Grandpa

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You can't show a blind man anything. :rolleyes:

Keeping the Sabbath day with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13), was part of a covenant with Israel that is NOT applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)

Keep fighting the good fight of faith and God bless you Magenta! :)
2 Corinthians 3:14-16
[FONT=&quot]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Galatians 3:2-3
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[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[/FONT]
 
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hey sabbath keepers how many of u really work on saturday? we have sunday and saturday(sabbath) as free days.
 

Studyman

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Romans 14:4-6 NKJV
[4] Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. [5] One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. [6] He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
You forgot an important verse.

Rom. 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Not sure this forum is a good place for someone who is weak in faith.

Rom. 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


Do we follow God's Word's, or a tradition soaked churches word? Let each man be fully convinced in their own mind.
 

Studyman

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=crossnote;3307360]Galatians 4:8-10 NKJV
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But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods.

So
Paul is speaking to Gentiles here, Yes? And to this point Paul is explaining that before they knew God, they served false god's. Served means followed their laws, high days, observances, Yes? So these Gentiles had gods and had pagan observances before the knew God.

Can you agree with this?

[9] But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?
So here these gentiles were "Turning again" to the "weak and beggarly" elements they were deceived by before they knew God.

Are you preaching that these Gentiles were obeying God's Commandments, keeping God's Sabbaths, before they knew God? Then when they turned to God they stopped obeying God's Commandments for awhile, but now they are "Turning Again" to keeping God's holy Sabbaths and commandments?


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You observe days and months and seasons and years.
tsk, tsk

Are you really preaching that the Gentiles were following God's Holy Days, Sabbaths and Commandments "before they knew God"?

Or could these be the Pagan High Days like "Venerable Day of the Sun, and the celebration of Venus and her colored eggs.

Please explain how this scripture absolves us of keeping one of God's Commandments.


Hebrews 10:1 NKJV
[1] For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb. 7:If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

What does God's Sabbaths have to do with the Levitical Priesthood with it's ceremonial, sacrificial "Works and deeds of the Law" for remission of sins.

Please explain how these scriptures change the definition of sin?
 

Studyman

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You can't show a blind man anything. :rolleyes:

Keeping the Sabbath day with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13), was part of a covenant with Israel that is NOT applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)

Keep fighting the good fight of faith and God bless you Magenta! :)
Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Are you saying God's Commandments are Traditions of man and rudiments of the world?

Col. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.


Are you preaching that God's Sabbath is now against man?

I would say it was our death that Jesus nailed to the cross. "The soul that sin's shall die". That is the law, Yes?

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us.


Where is your evidence that it was the Sabbath ordinance that is against us and not the part of the law that says "the soul that sin's shall die". How are any of God's Commandments against us?

Please explain where you get your preaching regarding God's Commandments being against us.
 

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Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Are you saying God's Commandments are Traditions of man and rudiments of the world?

Col. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.


Are you preaching that God's Sabbath is against man?

I would say it was our death that Jesus nailed to the cross. "The soul that sin's shall die". That is the law, Yes?

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us.


Where is your evidence that it was the Sabbath ordinance that is against us and not the part of the law that says "the soul that sin's shall die". How are any of God's Commandments against us?

Please explain where you get your preaching regarding God's Commandments being against us.
Have you read Mark 7:1-23?

The read Acts 10:9-16;28; 34-36, 45,47.

The Pharisee and Scribes believed their Holiness came by observance of the Law..(Law keepers that includes their Sabbath keeping). They thought they were being Holy as God is Holy by their own works -self righteousness, as blameless to the law, yet we see that now in Christ we are Holy from the inside. Te Law keepers though outward works made them Holy, Jesus teaches that its what comes from inside that produces Holiness (the Holy Spirit working in you to produce good fruit Gal 5:22-23.
 

Studyman

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=phil36;3307700]Have you read Mark 7:1-23?

The read Acts 10:9-16;28; 34-36, 45,47.
The Pharisee and Scribes believed their Holiness came by observance of the Law..(Law keepers that includes their Sabbath keeping). They thought they were being Holy as God is Holy by their own works -self righteousness, as blameless to the law,
Yes, that is what Mainstream Christianity teaches, that the Pharisees were trying to get to heaven by keeping God's Laws.

But this is a false teaching if one believes what Jesus taught. Jesus said they were not keeping God's Laws, that they were "teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men" and that they were "Transgressing God's Commandments by their own man made doctrines and traditions. "Moses gave you the Law, yet none of you keep the law"

Not all Jews were disobedient:

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

These were accepted by God and were exalted forever in God's Word. But the Pharisees were rejected. Your preaching that they were rejected because they were keeping God's Commandments is just not Biblical.

Can you share why you would preach such a thing, or maybe show me how my understanding is wrong?

I hate to get away from the original post. I responded to your post with scripture and questions. Will you be so kind as to answer them?

Thank you for your thoughtful reply, I look forward to your response. :)
 

Studyman

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=phil36;3307700]Have you read Mark 7:1-23?

The read Acts 10:9-16;28; 34-36, 45,47.


Yes, that is what Mainstream Christianity teaches, that the Pharisees were trying to get to heaven by keeping God's Laws.

But this is a false teaching if one believes what Jesus taught. Jesus said they were not keeping God's Laws, that they were "teaching for doctrines the Commandments of men" and that they were "Transgressing God's Commandments by their own man made doctrines and traditions. "Moses gave you the Law, yet none of you keep the law"

Not all Jews were disobedient:

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

These were accepted by God and were exalted forever in God's Word. But the Pharisees were rejected. Your preaching that they were rejected because they were keeping God's Commandments is just not Biblical.

Can you share why you would preach such a thing, or maybe show me how my understanding is wrong?

I hate to get away from the original post. I responded to your post with scripture and questions. Will you be so kind as to answer them?

Thank you for your thoughtful reply, I look forward to your response. :)
Woops, Phil 36,

I thought you were the original poster who used Ephesians to make a point. My bad :(
 

phil36

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Woops, Phil 36,

I thought you were the original poster who used Ephesians to make a point. My bad :(
Ach one of those things. Ive done it myself..it the just the nature of forums lol
 

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Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Are you saying God's Commandments are Traditions of man and rudiments of the world?

Col. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.


Are you preaching that God's Sabbath is now against man?

I would say it was our death that Jesus nailed to the cross. "The soul that sin's shall die". That is the law, Yes?

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us.


Where is your evidence that it was the Sabbath ordinance that is against us and not the part of the law that says "the soul that sin's shall die". How are any of God's Commandments against us?

Please explain where you get your preaching regarding God's Commandments being against us.
The things instutited by the Creator rudiments of the world?

Colossians 2:16-23 is without a doubt a much debated and misunderstood passage, lets review it in context of the time frame, people who it was written about, the person who wrote it, the culture, the Law of the Most High and law of that time enforced by the religious leaders.

Colossians 2:16-23, "16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ; 18 let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and [in] worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh, 19 and not holding the head, from which all the body — through the joints and bands gathering supply, and being knit together — may increase with the increase of God. 20 If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? 2 thou may not touch, nor taste, nor handle — 22 which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men, 23 which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honor, unto a satisfying of the flesh."

16 “Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,”

For Doing or not doing? Or Both? If we look at this verse in the context of the time and culture it was written in we may have an idea. The Pharisees and Sadducees were of the ruling class religiously, socially and economically. After captive Israyl left Babylon the calendar was altered and so were the Feast Days of YHWH, so if an individual did not keep a Feast Day according to what the Pharisees said they could be killed. 23 vols of man made “law” were made, now called the Babylonian Talmud, this is not the Law of the Most High and is purely man made religion.

The prophet Zecharyah was killed over this very matter and Yahshua Himself mentioned the murder;

Matthew 23:34-35, “Because of this, see, I send you prophets, and wise men, and scholars of Scripture, Some of them you shall kill and impale, and some of them you shall flog in your congregations and persecute from city to city, so that on you should come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Heḇel to the blood of Zeḵaryah, son of Bereḵyah, whom you murdered between the Dwelling Place and the altar."

The prophet Zecharyah (father of John the baptist) had a disagreement with the Pharisees about what day to keep the Day of Atonement, they commanded him to not honor it on the day YHWH said to but to rather honor the day they supplied, “the tradition of the elders”. Zecharyah chose to obey YHWH, and his body was killed because of it, and as we just read Yahshua scolded them on this matter.

And the Pharisess accused Yahshua and His disciples because they did not wash their hands before they ate:

Matthew 15:1-2, “Then there came to יהושע scribes and Pharisees from Yerushalayim, saying, Why do Your taught ones transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

Now back to Colossians 2:

16 “Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,”

17 “which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ;”

Coming things, and this translation is true the konie Greek. What coming things? The prophecies of YHWH or the “shadow”, the 7 Feast Days are prophetic shadow pictures, the first 3 of the Messiah’s work as a Lamb, the last 4 of His return as a Lion.

18 “let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and [in] worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh,”

Are prophecies about the Messiah things of the flesh?

I want to focus on 20-23, as to see context. Shaul/Paul, in nearly all his thoughts talks about a topic and then goes on to explain, he uses an advanced style of writing as his (worldly) education was beyond that of the other NT writers.

20 If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?

So he is saying if your dead to the world why would you subject yourself to its (the worlds) ordinances. To think he is saying if your dead to the world then why would you subject yourself to Feast Days of YHWH would make no sense, for the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath and the Feast Days of YHWH are not worldly, they are from YHWH, but Paul explains it further.

21 thou may not touch, nor taste, nor handle

The pharisees had a law (man made) in which you could not eat meat and cheese together, or even within 4 hours of each other. Now this is not in YHWH's Law. The origin, from which they made their own law does however come from YHWH's Law; as it says “don't boil a baby goat in its mothers milk” (3 times) (the local pagans had this as a religious practice YHWH did not want His people to partake in these evil pagan practices) the pharisees using something called "midrashic interpretation" the pharisees looked at it and said well since it says this three times it must meant three different things. SO THEY MADE UP THEIR OWN LAW, that was completely disconnected from Scripture, is not a part of Scripture and enforced it as Law. SO Paul’s context, customs and understanding is much different from our modern day perspective.

22 which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,

So here very clearly he states "after the commandments of men", now if you read from 16-20 you see he stays on topic, and 20 says basically if your dead to the world why do what the world tells you to do? So we can see he is still on this topic from v16. In this verse 22, he says "which are all for destruction", how does Sabbath lead to destruction and it would also have to be a "commandment of men" if there is any commandment that is the farthest thing possible from being a "commandment of men" it is the Sabbath, it was from creation and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, the mark of the Creator, as He rested on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day of creation. Also tying a "commandment of men" to destruction Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the commandments of men, you will die; but if, through the Spirit, you put to death; put an end to, the evildoing of mankind, you will live."

23 which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honor, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

The act of pleasing the pharisees by following their Talmud/heir man made laws, would be “after the commandments and teachings of men v22” and “a satisfying of the flesh v23.”

For the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to YHWH's instruction and not their Talmud/man made law, called the “ORAL LAW”, and this is shown in the Scriptures: MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem.

Matt 12:10 & 12, "And, behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. Then they asked Him, saying; Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath Days?--so that they might accuse Him."And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

The "Rabbis" also made their own holidays, Haunnaka and Rosh Hashanna and more. when they left Babylon they even changed the names of the moons (months), and Rosh hashanna even changes the time of the new year from the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] month to the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] month, this is clearly a “commandments and ordinances of men”. The calendar YHWH created is YHWH's calendar, the one who created it created the heavens and the earth, thus it is calculated by the heavens, the moon in this case. Our current calendar is the Gregorian calendar, which is an updated version of the Babylonian calendar. YHWH said the days end and begin at sunset, not the "Rabbis/Pharisees/Etc." Since the Pharisees/"Rabbis" made up their own, times/ways to keep their own made up "feast days", if you did not submit to the Pharisees they would seek to have you brought to trial, beat, imprisoned, or even killed you for not honoring their non-Scriptural days based in man’s tradition. The Talmud tells a story of Zacharyah, father of John the baptist, and OT prophet, disagreeing and wanting to follow YHWH Feast Days according to the Scriptures, and the head Pharisees told him, on threat of death, to appear in public on a Scriptural Feast Day in a way that the man can not honor YHWH as prescribed in the Scriptures, thus commanding him to disobey YHWH. They killed him for seeking to honor YHWH, His way and not their man made religious tradition. Yahshua spoke of this, but many have no clue of the history behind it;

Mat 23:35, "so that on you should come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Heḇel to the blood of Zeḵaryah, son of Bereḵyah, whom you murdered between the Dwelling Place and the altar."

2Chron 24:20-21, "Then the Spirit of the Most High came upon Zeḵaryah son of Yehoyaḏa the priest, who stood above the people, and said to them, “Thus said the Most High, ‘Why are you transgressing the commands of יהוה, and do not prosper? Because you have forsaken יהוה, He has forsaken you. And they conspired against him, and at the command of the sovereign they stoned him with stones in the courtyard of the House of יהוה."

Rosh Hashanah (New Year)
Rosh Hashanah occurs on the first and second days of Tishri (the 7th moon or month, YHWH's year starts in the 1st month). In Hebrew, Rosh Hashanah means, literally, "head of the year" or "first of the year." Rosh Hashanah is commonly known as the Jewish New Year.

How does the year start in the 7th month? According to the Scriptures and YHWH's calendar the year starts in the 1st month, Abib.

Chanukkah
On the 25th of Kislev are the days of Chanukkah, which are eight... these were appointed a Festival with Hallel [prayers of praise] and thanksgiving. -Shabbat 21b, Babylonian Talmud

Tu B'Shevat
There are four new years... the first of Shevat is the new year for trees according to the ruling of Beit Shammai; Beit Hillel, however, places it on the fifteenth of that month. -Mishnah Rosh Hashanah 1:1

Purim
Is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination.

Tisha B'Av
Five misfortunes befell our fathers... on the ninth of Av....On the ninth of Av it was decreed that our fathers should not enter the [Promised] Land, the Temple was destroyed the first and second time, Bethar was captured and the city [Jerusalem] was ploughed up. -Mishnah Ta'anit 4:6

Feasts that YHWH says should be kept for all generations are promoted in the NT:

1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore, purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new batch, since you are unleavened. For truly Yahshua our Passover was sacrificed for us. Therefore, let us keep the Feast, not with bold leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

keep the Feast is word #1858. heortazo, Heortazo: I keep a feast, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: heortazo, Phonetic Spelling: (heh-or-tad'-zo) Short Definition: I keep a feast, Definition: I take part in a festival, keep a feast