Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

If works were the direct results of salvation and you are claiming that you are a SINNER, what kind of works does a sinner (transgressor of the law of God- 1 john 3:4) like you, are the result of the salvation that you are claiming?

Do you obey God’s commandments?

Can your disobedience to God still save you?

By saying that God is the One doing all the work in a believer, is He also the One sinning when you sin?

Who are the workers of iniquity? Aren’t they those who do not obey the commands of the One they claim or call Lord(Master) but would rather teach that obedience to the Law of God is a work of the flesh that is not worthy of salvation? Still claiming boldly and boastfully that they are SINNERS, they claim at the same time that they already possess ETERNAL SALVATION regardless of sins they have committed in the past, present and interestingly even sins they will commit in the future because according to them FORGIVEN IS FORGIVEN, thus repentance and asking for forgiveness is unnecessary and are just damnable works in the same way they treat believing and trusting in God to the end (continuous).

THEY ATTACK THOSE WHO ARE KEEPING THE LAW IN OBEDIENCE, LOVE AND FEAR OF THE LORD AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF BEING JUSTIFIED BY THAT LAW WHICH WERE NEVER GIVEN TO THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE FOR BEING GENTILE (UNCIRCUMCISION/ NOT UNDER THE LAW) AND NOT JEWS WHO ARE THE CIRCUMCISED AND UNDER THE LAW.

WHO ARE THE GENTILES?

Ephesians 2:11-12 Therefore, remember that ye, being in times past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by those who are called the Circumcision in the flesh so made by hands— remember that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

WHO ARE THE JEWS?

Romans 9:4-5 who are Israelites and to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers, and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 2:24-29 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.” Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. IF THOSE WHO ARE NOT CIRCUMCISED KEEP THE LAW'S REQUIREMENTS, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet OBEYS THE LAW will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker. A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.

1 Corinthians 4:5-7 Therefore JUDGE NOTHING BEFORE THE APPOINTED TIME; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will EXPOSE THE MOTIVES OF MEN’S HEARTS. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For WHO MAKES YOU DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you BOAST as though you did not?

Philippians 1:15-17 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, NOT SINCERELY, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.



Posted by dcontroversial (post# page 1972)

Where does it say they rejected his commandments...it states clearly that he never knew them....which goes to the root of salvation...they trusted WORKS in his name as their ticket..and the bible is clear...works do not save, keep saved or facillitate salvation, but rather are the direct result of the salvation and faith one already possesses in Christ....

Galatians is clear...faith plus works = gospel of a different kind with no power to save....

Any gospel embellished with works to gain, keep or facillitate salvation has no power to save.

And law was designed to prove men's guilt before God and will never save or keep saved Romans 3.....it points to the cure....faith into the work of Christ......

and post away migo...if I agree I will like...if I disagree I will fire on it bro.

You workers for and sinless perfectionists need to lose the rose colored glasses.....Saved children of GOD can have works of both sorts......1st CORINTHIANS 3 teaches this...some have works of...

GOLD, SILVER and PRECIOUS stones = faithful saved children of God in Christ

and some have works of....

WOOD, HAY and STUBBLE = Saved unfaithful children of God in Christ

BOTH have their works tried by fire....the former have the dross burnt off and have a reward...the latter have their works burnt to a crisp by fire and suffer the loss of reward YET ARE SAVED AS IF THEY CAME THROUGH THE FIRE

One of these days you will figure this out and come to the truth.....MAYBE.......!

 

[LoveGodForever]

I mean why not? They're only going to lie about whatever we say anyhow, right? How many of these ever repent and finally believe the Gospel? Leave them to their lies and false gospels.

Romans 1:16-25
16, For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17, For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith. 18, For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; 19, because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. 20, For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: 21, because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22, Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24, Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25, for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature (creation; man) rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen

Let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy words, And might prevail when you come into judgment.....

 

[dcontroversal]

He that believes on the SON IS HAVING everlasting life. <--current possession, present tense

 

[LoveGodForever]

Ye know the answer,God hath knowledge that we have not,but asking for an apology is not always a good idea,for one feels accused at times and it can lead one to be enraged,many are they that serve God yet shall receive no thanks for their helping others nor apology for being unjustifiably accused,best to just move forward and not look back,for dwelling on how we have been wronged can lead us to halt our advance in doing right for God,many are the sorrows and afflictions we come across and remember in life but the past can hold us back if we linger upon it,so to both you and preacher I would suggest you forget the trivial apology circumstance and simply continue to speak on God's word with each other as well as others concerning your views on his word,remember "anger but sin not" "Seek God's wisdom for he is the God of peace not confusion""love thy neighbor as yourself" "seek not to put a stumbling block in the way of thy neighbor".

I did not expect he would apologize. I do not judge him. My peace is with God yet it is only in love I share that all might know him and be saved.

 

[LoveGodForever]

2000 posts...... Babylon has fallen has fallen. I was saving that for this page. It is sad indeed.

 

[dcontroversal]

2000 posts...... Babylon has fallen has fallen. I was saving that for this page. It is sad indeed.

That would be 2000 pages and way to misapply the word of God out of context and in a way not used by God. Is that not blasphemous..........??

 

[LoveGodForever]

That would be 2000 pages and way to misapply the word of God out of context and in a way not used by God. Is that not blasphemous..........??

Yes and very sad for all..........

 

[LoveGodForever]

Only God’s Word is true……………

What is sin..................?

1 John 3:4
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Sin is breaking of God's Law (10 commandments).........

Is someone saved who is practicing unrepentant sin........................?

Hebrew 10:27-28
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hebrews 6:4-8
4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God: 8, But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.4, Whosoever commits sin transgress also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Ezekiel 18:20-26,
20, The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21, But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22, All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23, Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24, But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26, When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revellers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21, Envying’s, murders, drunkenness, revelling’s, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Peter 4:6
4, For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5, And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6, And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;

19, While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20, For if after they have escaped the pollution's of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21, For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22, But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Romans 6:18-23
18, Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19, I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20, For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21, What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:13,
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.

James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Jeremiah 31:30
But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Ephesians 4:21-24
21, If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22, That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23, And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24, And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord

1 Peter 1:15-16
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Those who do not turn from unrepentant sin do not know God's love and will not be saved………….

How do we know who God's people are.........................?

1 John 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. 4, whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed <1 Peter 1:23> remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

God’s people through faith that works by love do not practice sin. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil and because of their love for Jesus then keep his commandments (See also; John 14:15; 15:10; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14)

Let's pull it all together....

Sin is breaking any of God's 10 commandments. If we knowingly break any of God's commandments and do not repent then we are in unrepentant sin. Those that are knowingly breaking any of God's 10 commandments and are in unrepentant sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God. (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8; James 2:8-12; 1John 3:3-10; Acts 17:30-31)

God has 10 commandments; if we knowingly break any one of them we stand guilty before God of committing sin and breaking His Law. This includes the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17; James 2:11; Romans 3:20; 7:7; 1John 3:4).

God’s true believers keep all of God’s commandments (including the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath) through their faith that works by love in God’s Word. Love is the fulfilling of God’s law in them because they walk be faith that works by love in His Spirit.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls on all men everywhere to repent and seek him today while he may be found. Tomorrow may be too late...

Hope this is helpful.

 

[dcontroversal]

Only God’s Word is true……………


What is sin..................?

1 John 3:4
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Sin is breaking of God's Law (10 commandments).........

Is someone saved who is practicing unrepentant sin........................?

Hebrew 10:27-28
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, .

No need to go any further.....this is using scripture out of context to prove something not proven by the text......

and there are examples that disproves what you are trying to prove........

The Corinthian fornicator for one....!

 

[LoveGodForever]

No need to go any further.....this is using scripture out of context to prove something not proven by the text......and there are examples that disproves what you are trying to prove........
The Corinthian fornicator for one....!

All is in context line upon line here a little there a little as it is written. The Word of God interprets itself but some do not believe. (Isaiah 28:10-13)

 

[dcontroversal]

All is in context line upon line here a little there a little as it is written. The Word of God interprets itself but some do not believe. (Isaiah 28:10-13)

Sorry....you do not have the context of the HEBREWS application.....nice try, but NO cigar

 

[Hizikyah]

Only God’s Word is true……………

What is sin..................?

1 John 3:4
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Sin is breaking of God's Law (10 commandments).........

Is someone saved who is practicing unrepentant sin........................?

Hebrew 10:27-28
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hebrews 6:4-8
4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God: 8, But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.4, Whosoever commits sin transgress also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Ezekiel 18:20-26,
20, The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21, But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22, All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23, Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24, But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26, When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revellers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21, Envying’s, murders, drunkenness, revelling’s, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Peter 4:6
4, For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5, And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6, And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;

19, While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20, For if after they have escaped the pollution's of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21, For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22, But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Romans 6:18-23
18, Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19, I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20, For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21, What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:13,
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.

James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Jeremiah 31:30
But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Ephesians 4:21-24
21, If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22, That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23, And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24, And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord

1 Peter 1:15-16
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Those who do not turn from unrepentant sin do not know God's love and will not be saved………….

How do we know who God's people are.........................?

1 John 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. 4, whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed <1 Peter 1:23> remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

God’s people through faith that works by love do not practice sin. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil and because of their love for Jesus then keep his commandments (See also; John 14:15; 15:10; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14)

Let's pull it all together....

Sin is breaking any of God's 10 commandments. If we knowingly break any of God's commandments and do not repent then we are in unrepentant sin. Those that are knowingly breaking any of God's 10 commandments and are in unrepentant sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God. (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8; James 2:8-12; 1John 3:3-10; Acts 17:30-31)

God has 10 commandments; if we knowingly break any one of them we stand guilty before God of committing sin and breaking His Law. This includes the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17; James 2:11; Romans 3:20; 7:7; 1John 3:4).

God’s true believers keep all of God’s commandments (including the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath) through their faith that works by love in God’s Word. Love is the fulfilling of God’s law in them because they walk be faith that works by love in His Spirit.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls on all men everywhere to repent and seek him today while he may be found. Tomorrow may be too late...

Hope this is helpful.

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Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”[/FONT]
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[VCO]

2000 posts...... Babylon has fallen has fallen. I was saving that for this page. It is sad indeed.

Like everything else you post, YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN.

That is Not 2000 posts, that is 2000 pages of posts. Your post is #39,985.

 

[LoveGodForever]

More of the same? Only God's Word is true and there is plenty of it........

Those practicing sin will not be saved on the day of Judgement….

The scripture says it is only those that hear and believe God’s Word that receive everlasting life and are not condemned and have passed from death to life. It is God’s Word not mine that says……
Psalms 1:5
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

Psalms 9:8
And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Matthew 12:36 ,
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

John 9:39,
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind

Act 17:31,
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Romans 2:5,
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Romans 2:6 ,
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

2 Corinthians 5:10 ,
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Corinthians 5:11 ,
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Hebrews 9:27,
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hebrews 10:26,
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 ,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

James 2:12 ,
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James 2:13 ,
For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

2 Peter 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

2 Peter 3:7 ,
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Jude 1:14-15 ,
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him

Revelation 14:7
Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Daniel 7:10
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Revelations 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Psalms 119:172 ,
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are “righteousness”.

Hebrew meaning righteousness צדק tsedeq tseh'-dek From H6663; the right (natural, moral or legal) morally and legally right; righteous צדּיק tsaddı̂yq tsad-deek' From H6663; just: - just, lawful, righteous (man).

Greek meaning righteousness δικαιοσύνη dikaiosunē dik-ah-yos-oo'-nay From G1342; equity (of character or act); specifically (Christian) justification: - righteousness. righteous δίκαιος dikaios dik'-ah-yos From G1349; equitable (in character or act); by implication innocent, holy (absolutely or relatively): - just, meet, right (-eous)

So from God’s Word we have the definition of righteousness. God says the definition of “righteousness” according to His Word is his 10 commandments The Hebrew and Greek meaning of righteousness is to be morally and legally right; lawful character of act, innocent and holy.

Psalms 119:142,
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Psalms 9:8
And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

Act 17:31
Because he hath appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

James 2:10-12
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak, ye and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Ecc 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

1 Peter 4:17 ,
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?


So yep according to God’s Word there will be a judgement for all mankind and we will be judged according to God’s Word.

The 4th commandment, the 7th Day Sabbath is also one of the ten. Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. Who should we obey God or man?

He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (John 12:48)

May God bless you all as you seek him through His Word.....

God's Sheep hear His Voice because he is the Word....

 

[Hizikyah]

Like everything else you post, YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN.

That is Not 2000 posts, that is 2000 pages of posts. Your post is #39,985.

Wow... nitpick much?

 

[PeterJens]

Here is a little irony.

If LoveGodForever wishes to keep the sabbath as a way of expressing his worship to God,
amen. I will always encourage enthusiasm for the Lord and His ways.

If I am judged by him for not following sabbath observance, then that is a mistake.

But this is way not an issue to those who wish to condemn believing brothers and sisters
in Christ to Hell, because though the trust in Christ, they actually desire to be like Him.

It is this desire which is our cornerstone, who Christ is in our lives.
Because this is so foundational to everything I am, to be questioned about this by other
people of faith, leads me to conclude they do not know this reality themselves or have been
led astray.

Do you really think Jesus is going to bring out a book of theology and tick of the wrong and
right points you held to, or simply look in the book of life, and see your name written.

Can a tree deny its genes and origins? Can that which God has made, suddenly become false?
No. It can die, and be shut out, but not false.

The inevitable logic is once truly set in the Kingdom, that is who you are. But the setting maybe
the real difficulty, and like in all relationships, getting upset and walking away can become a
tragic consequence.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Here is a little irony.

If LoveGodForever wishes to keep the sabbath as a way of expressing his worship to God,
amen. I will always encourage enthusiasm for the Lord and His ways.

If I am judged by him for not following sabbath observance, then that is a mistake.

But this is way not an issue to those who wish to condemn believing brothers and sisters
in Christ to Hell, because though the trust in Christ, they actually desire to be like Him.

It is this desire which is our cornerstone, who Christ is in our lives.
Because this is so foundational to everything I am, to be questioned about this by other
people of faith, leads me to conclude they do not know this reality themselves or have been
led astray.

Do you really think Jesus is going to bring out a book of theology and tick of the wrong and
right points you held to, or simply look in the book of life, and see your name written.

Can a tree deny its genes and origins? Can that which God has made, suddenly become false?
No. It can die, and be shut out, but not false.

The inevitable logic is once truly set in the Kingdom, that is who you are. But the setting maybe
the real difficulty, and like in all relationships, getting upset and walking away can become a
tragic consequence.

Hello Peter,

It is written; Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Now there is none righteous no not one so the only way we are told to judge righteous judgment is through the Word of God. I judge no man. Only God's Word is true and the test to know if someone is following God or not and this is righteous judgement.

God's people are in all Church's.The mother of all Church's has deceived the world into believing God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day despite there not being a single verse in the entire bible for this change. It is written; In times of ignorance God winks at but now commands all men everywhere to repent and believe the Gospel because the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. God is calling His true followers everywhere to come out to worship Him in Spirit and in truth according to His Word.

Sin is the transgression of God's Law. The 4th commandment, the 7th Day Sabbath is one of the 10 (Exodus 20:1-17). If we break it we stand guilty before God of breaking all of God's Law the same as if we steal or lie or commit murder, use God's name in vain or follow idols. Sin is the transgression of God's Law and the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because they are foolishness unto him.

God's true believers who are they......................................?

God true Church meaning; ἐκκλησία; ekklēsia; ek-klay-see'-ah = an assembly of believers that have the Word of God and are sanctified by it. God's Church is organized but it is not an organization it is these believers that are gatherer together in His name...

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

God has his people in all the Churches but is now calling them out of these false Churches into one fold to worship and follow him in Spirit and in truth.................

John 10:16
Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

John 4:23-24
23, But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Who are these people......

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14-15
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15, For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whore mongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie

If we knowingly break anyone of God's commandments we are guilty before God of breaking all of them...

James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
If we are following the traditions of man breaking God's commandments are we following god or man?

If we are following the teachings and traditions of man breaking the commandments of God we are not following God.....

Matthew 15:3-9
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6, And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

God calls on all to seek him while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Our duty of love............

Ezekiel 3:17-21
Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou gives him not warning, nor speaks to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. (see also Ezekiel 33:2-7)

Who should we believe and obey God or man?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word..

 

[mailmandan]

It's best to just put them on ignore. What a huge waste of time going back and forth with these types.

You got that right! Otherwise you just end up wasting your time beating a dead horse.

 

[loveme1]

The Lord said to Keep and Teach even the least Commandment which is all we can do lest we demand others Keep the Sabbath which does not equate to Love.. all things through Faith in Christ.

If a person does not believe the Messiah taught us how to Keep the Sabbath of which He is Lord then share the Scripture of Him saying it is lawful to do good and how Sabbath was made for man and not Man for Sabbath.. then let the man Believe freely because Faith that worketh by love is not a you shall but a I shall... that written in stone condemned us because to break was sin and the wages of sin be death.. thus we are shown our evil intent and learn our fate was Everlasting destruction..

But by the Love, Grace and Mercy of GOD who in the ultimate act of Love and devotion to forgive and Reconcile us to Himself through offering His Beloved Son as a sacrifice to Redeem us we are able to walk the path of Righteousness as found sheep who listen to their Chief Shepherd whom is leading them after having overcome evil with Goodness by the power of GOD to save His flock from slaughter.

If you ask me if a man is saved if he does not keep Sabbath I will ask you does a man love GOD if He keeps not His Commandments? And the answer is between the servant and his Master. For to be under Grace at liberty in Christ is not to be condemned of men but to be doers of the Royal law and judged by Christ.

 

[loveme1]

For the man who sought 40000. I dedicate this to you.

Love and give thanks to GOD always and forever.