Not By Works

[PHart]

There is no escaping it no matter how many times you attempt to reconcile it: If you don't keep on doing something, in your case keep on believing via effort, and to stop believing, and/or stop believing and do something stupid you've failed to maintain your salvation and are then headed to hell.

Yes, I know.......I embellish my salvation with faith. How evil! Lol!
Have you ever stopped to listen to yourself? Believing is me trying to add to my salvation???? That's a joke. Believing is NOT a works gospel.

I won't believe what you say until you post the passage that says believing is me trying to earn my own salvation. Why has it taken so long for you or anybody else to do that? Of course, we all know that passage doesn't exist. That's why you have not posted a scriptural defense of your doctrine. You're asking us to believe what YOU say, not what the Bible says.

 

[Studyman]

Now you said a lot there, but once again, you do not tie obedience to LOVE; when it is GOD's LOVE poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit that PRODUCES loving Obedience within us. It has NOTHING TO DO with earning part of our Righteousness, but rather it is EXPRESSING OUR LOVE FOR HIM. Obedience for the WRONG REASON is a pile of filthy rags.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15[/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.


SEE IT? LOVING HIM - AUTOMATICALLY PRODUCES A LIFESTYLE OF STRIVING TO OBEY HIM; not the other way around.

OBEDIENCE DOES NOT PRODUCE "LOVE FOR HIM".


The way you phrase it, it sounds like you are getting the cart ahead of the horse. The HORSE is LOVE FOR HIM, and the CART is striving walk in obedience, as a way to express LOVE FOR HIM.

Please tell me you agree with that statement.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

This is just two of the many scriptures that disagree with your statements above.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

How can we deny ourselves if we forget who were really are?

25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

But you guys call those who follow this instruction "Graceless" we are accused of preaching a "False Gospel". We are mocked and scorned by you for following God's very instruction.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Why do we need to "Know we know Him"? You say once we tell Jesus to give us His Spirit we are naturally led to obey Him out of Love. But I see people who claim to love God disobeying His Commandments all the time.

I see people bragging about "not being held bondage to God's Laws" almost every day on every forum I have seen. How is it they can preach on one hand "We are not held bondage to those horrible, impossible laws of God", then turn right around and preach God wrote those horrible laws on our hearts.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

I contend that God's Laws ARE His Love. They are the definition of His Love. We can know if we have been deceived or not by looking into the Mirror which is the Law of Liberty. We can know if We truly know God by whether we obey His Laws or not.

Peter said the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, is given to those who obey God. He didn't, as you preach, teach that the Obedience to God is given to those who have the Holy Spirit.

I know most can not accept this any more than the Mainstream Church of Christ's time could accept the exposure of their sins.

But my sincerest hope is that someone reading might be led to test the spirits of the "Many" who come in His name.

 

[dcontroversal]

Well, one of the reasons is Hebrews 10. You know, the passage you've never bothered to explain according to your theology.

"10By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.​

14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

26For if we (sanctified believers) go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:10,14,26-31 NASB)​

Yes, I know......everyone who doesn't hold your particular concept of Jesus, but who, nevertheless, trusts in the blood alone for justification is lost. I know, I know, lol.

No..everyone who does not hold to the scriptures...and Hebrews 10 has been explained more than half a dozen times by numerous people...so tell me...how does being deceptive help your working for I must keep myself saved dogma?

 

[PennEd]

No..everyone who does not hold to the scriptures...and Hebrews 10 has been explained more than half a dozen times by numerous people...so tell me...how does being deceptive help your working for I must keep myself saved dogma?

Yes. Those that want to try and hang on to the "willful sin" escape clause, as if they don't willfully sin, justify themselves with reassurances in their minds, that THEIR sin isn't willful.

That's why they have to work for their salvation.
They either can't or won't understand what the willful sin is the writer to Hebrews is talking about.
Which ironically enough is NOT relying on Christ's Blood alone for their salvation!

They just can't see it. Sad really.

 

[VCO]

Yes, I know.......I embellish my salvation with faith. How evil! Lol!
Have you ever stopped to listen to yourself? Believing is me trying to add to my salvation???? That's a joke. Believing is NOT a works gospel.

I won't believe what you say until you post the passage that says believing is me trying to earn my own salvation. Why has it taken so long for you or anybody else to do that? Of course, we all know that passage doesn't exist. That's why you have not posted a scriptural defense of your doctrine. You're asking us to believe what YOU say, not what the Bible says.

THEN STOP SAYING: "I have to keep believing." If you are shooting straight with us, phrasing it that way, is making it a works righteousness statement. If you say, "I will keep believing, because HE saved me."; that puts the CREDIT for your continuous Believing in HIM on the back of JESUS CHRIST on the Cross. Your way of expressing it robs Christ of the CREDIT, and puts it on your own back, which constitutes a FALSE GOSPEL.

 

[TruthTalk]

No..everyone who does not hold to the scriptures...and Hebrews 10 has been explained more than half a dozen times by numerous people...so tell me...how does being deceptive help your working for I must keep myself saved dogma?

Hi DC, Mr Pfart, by his own words to, "keep himself saved" by "keep believing", has; "trampled underfoot the Son of God, and disregarded "the blood covenant", (by trying to, "keep himself saved", by which believers are, "Sanctified" (A work of the Holy Spirit), and has insulted the Spirit of grace." Heb10:29

The gospel according to Phart is an insult to the Son of God who died the horrible death of the Cross that we would have eternal life; as one poster here described Pfart, "he is like a little boy trying to be good." and he insults the work of Jesus day after day whereby he is trying to keep himself saved.

29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?Heb10:29

 

[VCO]

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

This is just two of the many scriptures that disagree with your statements above.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

How can we deny ourselves if we forget who were really are?

25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

But you guys call those who follow this instruction "Graceless" we are accused of preaching a "False Gospel". We are mocked and scorned by you for following God's very instruction.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Why do we need to "Know we know Him"? You say once we tell Jesus to give us His Spirit we are naturally led to obey Him out of Love. But I see people who claim to love God disobeying His Commandments all the time.

I see people bragging about "not being held bondage to God's Laws" almost every day on every forum I have seen. How is it they can preach on one hand "We are not held bondage to those horrible, impossible laws of God", then turn right around and preach God wrote those horrible laws on our hearts.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

I contend that God's Laws ARE His Love. They are the definition of His Love. We can know if we have been deceived or not by looking into the Mirror which is the Law of Liberty. We can know if We truly know God by whether we obey His Laws or not.

Peter said the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, is given to those who obey God. He didn't, as you preach, teach that the Obedience to God is given to those who have the Holy Spirit.

I know most can not accept this any more than the Mainstream Church of Christ's time could accept the exposure of their sins.

But my sincerest hope is that someone reading might be led to test the spirits of the "Many" who come in His name.

Let me shoot down your erroneous theory with just a few verses.


1 John 3:14-19 (NRSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life because we love one another. Whoever does not love abides in death. {Our unsaved state prior to becoming born again.}
[SUP]15 [/SUP] All who hate a brother or sister are murderers, and you know that murderers do not have eternal life abiding in them.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] We know love by this, that he laid down his life for us—and we ought to lay down our lives for one another.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] How does God's love abide in anyone who has the world's goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Little children, let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And by this we will know that we are from the truth and will reassure our hearts before him

John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.


THE ABILITY TO LOVE GOD SELF SACRIFICIALLY, is foreign to someone who is NOT BORN AGAIN. THAT ABILITY COMES WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE FACT THAT GOD'S LOVE WAS IMMEDIATELY POURED INTO OUR HEARTS AS HE BIRTHED OUR DEAD SPIRIT INTO ETERNAL LIFE. GOD'S LOVE IN OUR HEARTS SPAWNS AN ONGOING LIFESTYLE OF STRIVING TO OBEY HIM AS AN ACT OF LOVE. That is not part of our mortal human nature, it is purely and totally part of our new born again spiritual nature.


STOP ROBBING GOD of the GLORY, and give it back to HIM, Who is the ONE who's LOVE is IN YOU.

 

[PeterJens]

Yes, I know.......I embellish my salvation with faith. How evil! Lol!
Have you ever stopped to listen to yourself? Believing is me trying to add to my salvation???? That's a joke. Believing is NOT a works gospel.

I won't believe what you say until you post the passage that says believing is me trying to earn my own salvation. Why has it taken so long for you or anybody else to do that? Of course, we all know that passage doesn't exist. That's why you have not posted a scriptural defense of your doctrine. You're asking us to believe what YOU say, not what the Bible says.

Their faith in their failure is greater than their faith in Christ overcoming sin and death.

In this version of faith, to have normal human desires is evil, and until you are no longer
a human will you be truly saved or transformed. It is a simple compromise. How do you
square temptation with Holiness, desire or strong feelings not resolved with the idealistic
victory Christ seems to offer. It is easier to just say compromise and defeat is Gods way,
because that is probably all they have known.

It is the gospel of people brought up in church rather than those who convert from the
world and know the truths of Christ pure and clear from first walking in them.

These "religious" folk find it impossible to separate themselves from their church history.

For myself, I never identified with the church because the church I knew was spiritually
dead. It is astounding to think if you took church seriously and lived in hypocracy, how hard
it is to find the Lord through all the emotional mess, and to see the simple purity of love and
integrity in Christ.

It is not surprising they so quickly call us liars, deceivers, evil because they sincerely see this
all around them, imagined or otherwise, and ofcourse we must be the same. But the truth is
what you bring up in ideas is what the heart is full of, and their hearts testify to a mess.

Each day I am jarred into a partial shocked response that anyone could put these ideas together
and not see the judgementalism innate within them. The trap is to even comment on the slough
of despond is partly to be sucked into it. God bless you for staying true to the Lord and His word.

 

[VCO]

It's best to just put them on ignore. What a huge waste of time going back and forth with these types.

You gotta LOVE using that ignore list option, with some people.

PEACE AT LAST.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 3:15-16, “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I would that you were cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am going to vomit you out of My mouth."[/FONT]

 

[VCO]

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

This is just two of the many scriptures that disagree with your statements above.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

How can we deny ourselves if we forget who were really are?

25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

But you guys call those who follow this instruction "Graceless" we are accused of preaching a "False Gospel". We are mocked and scorned by you for following God's very instruction.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Why do we need to "Know we know Him"? You say once we tell Jesus to give us His Spirit we are naturally led to obey Him out of Love. But I see people who claim to love God disobeying His Commandments all the time.

I see people bragging about "not being held bondage to God's Laws" almost every day on every forum I have seen. How is it they can preach on one hand "We are not held bondage to those horrible, impossible laws of God", then turn right around and preach God wrote those horrible laws on our hearts.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

I contend that God's Laws ARE His Love. They are the definition of His Love. We can know if we have been deceived or not by looking into the Mirror which is the Law of Liberty. We can know if We truly know God by whether we obey His Laws or not.

Peter said the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, is given to those who obey God. He didn't, as you preach, teach that the Obedience to God is given to those who have the Holy Spirit.

I know most can not accept this any more than the Mainstream Church of Christ's time could accept the exposure of their sins.

But my sincerest hope is that someone reading might be led to test the spirits of the "Many" who come in His name.

You are missing the whole point.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

Genuine agape LOVE, produces loving obedience guaranteed.

And where does that kind of agape LOVE come from?

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.



GOD's LOVE in us is a work of the HOLY SPIRIT in our hearts.

One needs to stop patting himself on the back, and GIVE GOD THE GLORY AND CREDIT FOR WORKING IN OUR HEARTS.

 

[Studyman]

Let me shoot down your erroneous theory with just a few verses.


1 John 3:14-19 (NRSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life because we love one another. Whoever does not love abides in death. {Our unsaved state prior to becoming born again.}
[SUP]15 [/SUP] All who hate a brother or sister are murderers, and you know that murderers do not have eternal life abiding in them.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] We know love by this, that he laid down his life for us—and we ought to lay down our lives for one another.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] How does God's love abide in anyone who has the world's goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Little children, let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And by this we will know that we are from the truth and will reassure our hearts before him

John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.


THE ABILITY TO LOVE GOD SELF SACRIFICIALLY, is foreign to someone who is NOT BORN AGAIN. THAT ABILITY COMES WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE FACT THAT GOD'S LOVE WAS IMMEDIATELY POURED INTO OUR HEARTS AS HE BIRTHED OUR DEAD SPIRIT INTO ETERNAL LIFE. GOD'S LOVE IN OUR HEARTS SPAWNS AN ONGOING LIFESTYLE OF STRIVING TO OBEY HIM AS AN ACT OF LOVE. That is not part of our mortal human nature, it is purely and totally part of our new born again spiritual nature.


STOP ROBBING GOD of the GLORY, and give it back to HIM, Who is the ONE who's LOVE is IN YOU.

Then Abraham did nothing to deserve the Praise God gave him. The examples we are to be admonished by are worthless because these faithful did not "deny themselves" as Jesus instructed, God made them Faithful. The scripture you posted does not destroy the scripture I posted. God's Word doesn't work that way.

I know the game "many" play, the My verse is tougher than your verse game. It is foolish to play so I don't. I welcome debate and Biblical discussion, in fact I encourage it. The scripture you post does not destroy the point of my post. God is Love, therefore God's Word is love, therefore God's Laws are Love.

If you can, using Every Word of God, prove this false, then please show me. It is not
My desire to be nothing more that faithful to the One who died for me. That is my goal. I have already went through the humiliation of having church doctrine I followed exposed as false. I have to need to defend mainstream doctrine. I don't care about such things.

I would welcome a thorough examination of the scripture I posted if you believe I took them out of context.

If you are just going to say I'm wrong because you say so, as so many in Mainstream Christianity do, then no need to reply.

Thank you for your reply. I hope we can continue the conversation?

 

[preacher4truth]

You gotta LOVE using that ignore list option, with some people.

PEACE AT LAST.

Yep, you can be your own moderator in a sense.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Galatians 2:16-21
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[TruthTalk]

Revelation 3:15-16, “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I would that you were cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am going to vomit you out of My mouth."

Quote: "A text without a context is a pretext for a proof text."

And please tell, to whom is your proof text directed.

Example: How is this verse to be interpreted, (context), and how is it to be applied an to whom. (proof text). Without any commentary whatsoever it just leaves people wondering, and you do this all the time.

"So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself." Matthew27:5

Attribute: Logical Fallacy: Quoting Out of Context

 

[Studyman]

You are missing the whole point.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

Genuine agape LOVE, produces loving obedience guaranteed.

And where does that kind of agape LOVE come from?

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.



GOD's LOVE in us is a work of the HOLY SPIRIT in our hearts.

One needs to stop patting himself on the back, and GIVE GOD THE GLORY AND CREDIT FOR WORKING IN OUR HEARTS.

You guys are so hung up with self gratification. Is this some kind of projection? Peter said the Holy Spirit Paul mentions is given to those who obey God. They received it after they gathered on God's Holy Day which also confirms his statement. Why is it so important for you to reject these truths? Jesus said to "repent" which means to change, First.

How can you claim to love Jesus and ignore so much about His Word. And if I see this pit you have fallen into, what kind of Brother would I be if I didn't try and help you out of it?

Why don't you just look into what I have written and consider that maybe the scripture you ignore has meaning also. Maybe the warnings of Jesus are for good cause. Maybe you aren't wiser or more faithful than the disciples Jesus warned?

I'm not interested in offending you or arguing in public. This isn't about who can pee further to me. If you are interested in my point,PM me. If you simply want to defend some religious doctrine, I'm not interested.

 

[Studyman]

Galatians 2:16-21
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It seems you may have just done what you accuse others of doing. It's easy to do, I'm not judging. I would ask you a question though.
According to the Law of Moses, how was sin cleansed from God's people?

 

[Rokurac]

A good rule of thumb for doctrine, teaching, thinking, writing or whatever you are doing, is to stop and think who gets the glory? Is it man or God?

The real Gospel is God-centered.
Real salvation is God-centered.
Real worship is God-centered.
Real doctrine is God-centered.
Real teaching is God-centered.

If you say I gotta keep His commandments to be saved, you are putting the emphasis on you.
If you say God is the author and finisher of our faith, and will complete the good work He has started, you are putting the emphasis on God.

 

[Hizikyah]

Quote: "A text without a context is a pretext for a proof text."

And please tell, to whom is your proof text directed.

Example: How is this verse to be interpreted, (context), and how is it to be applied an to whom. (proof text). Without any commentary whatsoever it just leaves people wondering, and you do this all the time.

"So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself." Matthew27:5

Attribute: Logical Fallacy: Quoting Out of Context

Yeah.. So when I post numerous verses/passages I get told it's a wall of text and im not reading that. When I post less it's now this....

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”[/FONT]