Just like i quoted from the torah, day of atonement, the atonement was made for all of israel, YET still it was to no avail if:
For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
But what can ya do when a mind is reading everything with reformed lenses and ignores everything that directly contradicts it.
Time to throw in the towel. (Ahem... "mixed with faith")
There is nothing about nobody acting as anyone's "Representative" in Ezekiel 18.
Romans 5:12 says sin came and through sin death came into the world, go read Genesis 3 (I quoted it earlier), see exactly what happened, no mention of sin nature or impaired ability to obey. Nothing.
The bottom line is this: If man is not free to obey, if man does not have unhindered will, then all judgments or rewards are meaningless. Nobody has really done anything good or evil, they were just doing what they were programmed to do. As your buddy Calvin says:
“God preordained, for his own glory and the display of His attributes of mercy and justice, a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation, and another part, in just punishment of their sin, to eternal damnation.”
So as I always call it, still holds true: ITS GRACE LOTTERY; you are born either preordained one way or another, unless you agree with ya boi Calvin. This is in direct contrast to what the earlier church fathers before nicene said:
"We have learned from the prophets, and we hold it to be true, that punishments, chastisements, and rewards are rendered according to the merit of each man's actions. Otherwise, if all things happen by fate, then nothing is in our own power. For if it be predestined that one man be good and another man evil, then the first is not deserving of praise or the other to be blamed. Unless humans have the power of avoiding evil and choosing good by free choice, they are not accountable for their actions-whatever they may be.... For neither would a man be worthy of reward or praise if he did not of himself choose the good, but was merely created for that end. Likewise, if a man were evil, he would not deserve punishment, since he was not evil of himself, being unable to do anything else than what he was made for." (Justin First Apology chap. 43)
As for Psalm 51:5: If Luther wouldnt of been so anti-semitic he woulda known that Psalm is a book of..... psalms. Poets and songs. Its not a systematic theology book where you pick out a verse and build an entire doctrine on it when ya got clear verses saying that the contrary is true (deuteronomy 1:39 as quoted by John before). So what is psalm 51:5 about? Exactly what it says, its talking about KING DAVID, it aint talking about every human being ever born. Psalm 51 is about David in the state of repentance after the Bathsheba incident. Good grief, ya guys are using the fancy words if anything this is what you call "eisegesis". In some translations like the NIV they even add the word sinful nature where it aint even in the text, to push their church dogmas on people.
And psalms is where yall reformed folks are in biig trouble, its filled with people being called righteous, doing the right thing, its definately a nightmare to yall.
The other "proof text" you used is again in Psalm 58, and again: its a prayer for the punishment of the wicked, its describing the wicked, not the righteous.
Of course, the answer to someone being righteous is always "well God enabled them" but this theory hits a roadblock the second you read Acts 10. Even John Piper couldn't figure that out! How is it possible that Cornelius was considered a just man, God-fearer and his prayer was heard and he got a personal visitation from an angel who told him God has seen his alms and prayers as memorials before Him... ALL THIS BEFORE HE WAS SAVED OR HAD THE HOLY GHOST!
Then Peter gets sent out to the guy and turns out the man didnt even get saved until verse 44 when the HOLY GHOST fell on em!
Here is my take on it: Cornelius was one of them guys described in Romans who didnt violate their conscience, and God saw this and thats why his prayers was accepted. But I thought God dont hear sinners?]
For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
But what can ya do when a mind is reading everything with reformed lenses and ignores everything that directly contradicts it.
Time to throw in the towel. (Ahem... "mixed with faith")
There is nothing about nobody acting as anyone's "Representative" in Ezekiel 18.
Romans 5:12 says sin came and through sin death came into the world, go read Genesis 3 (I quoted it earlier), see exactly what happened, no mention of sin nature or impaired ability to obey. Nothing.
The bottom line is this: If man is not free to obey, if man does not have unhindered will, then all judgments or rewards are meaningless. Nobody has really done anything good or evil, they were just doing what they were programmed to do. As your buddy Calvin says:
“God preordained, for his own glory and the display of His attributes of mercy and justice, a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation, and another part, in just punishment of their sin, to eternal damnation.”
So as I always call it, still holds true: ITS GRACE LOTTERY; you are born either preordained one way or another, unless you agree with ya boi Calvin. This is in direct contrast to what the earlier church fathers before nicene said:
"We have learned from the prophets, and we hold it to be true, that punishments, chastisements, and rewards are rendered according to the merit of each man's actions. Otherwise, if all things happen by fate, then nothing is in our own power. For if it be predestined that one man be good and another man evil, then the first is not deserving of praise or the other to be blamed. Unless humans have the power of avoiding evil and choosing good by free choice, they are not accountable for their actions-whatever they may be.... For neither would a man be worthy of reward or praise if he did not of himself choose the good, but was merely created for that end. Likewise, if a man were evil, he would not deserve punishment, since he was not evil of himself, being unable to do anything else than what he was made for." (Justin First Apology chap. 43)
As for Psalm 51:5: If Luther wouldnt of been so anti-semitic he woulda known that Psalm is a book of..... psalms. Poets and songs. Its not a systematic theology book where you pick out a verse and build an entire doctrine on it when ya got clear verses saying that the contrary is true (deuteronomy 1:39 as quoted by John before). So what is psalm 51:5 about? Exactly what it says, its talking about KING DAVID, it aint talking about every human being ever born. Psalm 51 is about David in the state of repentance after the Bathsheba incident. Good grief, ya guys are using the fancy words if anything this is what you call "eisegesis". In some translations like the NIV they even add the word sinful nature where it aint even in the text, to push their church dogmas on people.
And psalms is where yall reformed folks are in biig trouble, its filled with people being called righteous, doing the right thing, its definately a nightmare to yall.
The other "proof text" you used is again in Psalm 58, and again: its a prayer for the punishment of the wicked, its describing the wicked, not the righteous.
Of course, the answer to someone being righteous is always "well God enabled them" but this theory hits a roadblock the second you read Acts 10. Even John Piper couldn't figure that out! How is it possible that Cornelius was considered a just man, God-fearer and his prayer was heard and he got a personal visitation from an angel who told him God has seen his alms and prayers as memorials before Him... ALL THIS BEFORE HE WAS SAVED OR HAD THE HOLY GHOST!
Then Peter gets sent out to the guy and turns out the man didnt even get saved until verse 44 when the HOLY GHOST fell on em!
Here is my take on it: Cornelius was one of them guys described in Romans who didnt violate their conscience, and God saw this and thats why his prayers was accepted. But I thought God dont hear sinners?]