Not By Works

PeterJens · Oct 27, 2017

For those doubting dc still has control of his twitter account, here is a comment
from yesterday made by him, not rude, but specifying what he has been doing

https://twitter.com/dcontroversal/status/923508750601687040

"To an outsider who has spent 7 or 8 months in Au over 8 trips,it seems your letting in the wrong people -> too hard and $$ for the right 1s" 4:16 AM - 26 Oct 2017

Now if one was concerned about pictures or exchanges from the past being hacked
it would be simple to delete them.

But no, they are still there, so I for one do not believe a word about innocense, rather
the opposite.

And for those who think this is slander, slander is something that is not true or straight
forward.

It does amaze me how naive some can be. But then preachers can commit fraud, have
affairs, lie, cheat and still go back to the ministry. Either people are very forgiving or
they would rather imagine everything is fine, because the opposite is much worse for them.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 27, 2017

loveme1 said:

What I realise. Is Phart does not have faith in Christ. He may believe, But he has no faith whatsoever,

As proven by his own words. He states" I have believe God will keep me, but ONLY as long as I believe"

in other words, his true FAITH is in HIS ability to Believe. Not in Gods ability to be a trustworthy God who is worthy of Pharts faith.

joefizz · Oct 27, 2017

loveme1 said:

Then you have thought that God has the power of a mere man,yet you proclaim that "he keeps his promises...always and forever,when God gave his only begotten son it was not a weak promise that came after ward it was a promise of salvation not a temporary one,not a man made one,not a weak one,An almighty and permanent one,as in once you are with Jesus that's it done deal there is no going back,to tinker with such an idea is not to know Jesus and therefore not know God.

PeterJens · Oct 27, 2017

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joefizz · Oct 27, 2017

PeterJens said:

For those doubting dc still has control of his twitter account, here is a comment
from yesterday made by him, not rude, but specifying what he has been doing

https://twitter.com/dcontroversal/status/923508750601687040

"To an outsider who has spent 7 or 8 months in Au over 8 trips,it seems your letting in the wrong people -> too hard and $$ for the right 1s" 4:16 AM - 26 Oct 2017

Now if one was concerned about pictures or exchanges from the past being hacked
it would be simple to delete them.

But no, they are still there, so I for one do not believe a word about innocense, rather
the opposite.

And for those who think this is slander, slander is something that is not true or straight
forward.

It does amaze me how naive some can be. But then preachers can commit fraud, have
affairs, lie, cheat and still go back to the ministry. Either people are very forgiving or
they would rather imagine everything is fine, because the opposite is much worse for them.

Such a pitiable writhing child looking for to hurt for you are hurt,ye seek vengeance when it is God's,if ye were for God you would not seek to hurt thy neighbor,all ye have done is shown that you are ravenous wolf hiding behind the lamb for comfort.

joefizz · Oct 27, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

Indeed for what child of God shall wake up wondering to himself "does my lord exist"?
"Do I trust him with my life"?
Nay to have doubt every day of Jesus and therefore doubt God is to seek to hide oneself from him and pretend that what one is doing is right in thine own sight away from God's sight though you cannot hide.

PeterJens · Oct 27, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

The above demonstrates a believer who is in opposition to 50% of the believers
in the world.

There is no fear of judgementalism, or grace or love, just dispossessing someone of
eternal truths.

This is what Jesus says

Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Matt 7:1-2

But then this believer does not follow the sermon on the mount but believes this
is legalism.

What does ones brain is how contorted it gets if you disown the very words of life
Christ speaks.

But listen to Paul

I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
1 Cor 4:3

So it is odd that the quality of someones faith hangs on whether they believe they can lose this
fellowship with God or not.

Everything always sounds coherent, because the language is very biblical, yet the conclusions
and justification are not.

We know faith is a gift. We know Christ maintains and supports us in this faith.
We know the promises are to those who believe and have faith.

We know of people who have lost their faith.
So this is what we know, yet here is someone condemning someone who has faith,
because they are now saying this is not real faith, because of some other idea.

The hypocracy is claiming to believe faith is everything and simple, and then creating
conditions around it to exclude the "enemy" but by so doing making a farce of it all.

Not very bright, but then again, how did one end up in such a mess, lol.

You cannot stand up, say you are standing on your legs and then chopping them away
for you are you stand. It is like a person up a tree cutting off the branch they are standing
on. Leads to broken legs or death...

joefizz · Oct 27, 2017

PeterJens said:

The above demonstrates a believer who is in opposition to 50% of the believers
in the world.

There is no fear of judgementalism, or grace or love, just dispossessing someone of
eternal truths.

This is what Jesus says

Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Matt 7:1-2

But then this believer does not follow the sermon on the mount but believes this
is legalism.

What does ones brain is how contorted it gets if you disown the very words of life
Christ speaks.

But listen to Paul

I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
1 Cor 4:3

So it is odd that the quality of someones faith hangs on whether they believe they can lose this
fellowship with God or not.

Everything always sounds coherent, because the language is very biblical, yet the conclusions
and justification are not.

We know faith is a gift. We know Christ maintains and supports us in this faith.
We know the promises are to those who believe and have faith.

We know of people who have lost their faith.
So this is what we know, yet here is someone condemning someone who has faith,
because they are now saying this is not real faith, because of some other idea.

The hypocracy is claiming to believe faith is everything and simple, and then creating
conditions around it to exclude the "enemy" but by so doing making a farce of it all.

Not very bright, but then again, how did one end up in such a mess, lol.

You cannot stand up, say you are standing on your legs and then chopping them away
for you are you stand. It is like a person up a tree cutting off the branch they are standing
on. Leads to broken legs or death...

How strange for you to speak on "judging"as if you have not done so just moments ago you persisted to further judge dcontroversal for reason to encourage others to do so.

PeterJens · Oct 27, 2017

joefizz said:

What is stunning to me, is for you to believe a brother could be something else
entirely is too much to grasp.

And the reason being, it would shatter some loyalties and beliefs that you really
do know who you are talking to.

Pastors go astray, friends betray friends, wives and husbands commit adultery.

So we are to be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves.

What I have learnt from interactions like this, when things are proven true, people
say, we knew all along, and dismiss it as if it never was an issue.

So God bless you, because I know the score, and know who I am dealing with.
I wish I was a child in someways, it would not involve such contorted individuals and
serious issues.

But the Lord is teaching me how to see the truth and just proclaim it. Glory to His
name.

And what the sting really is, when the truth hurts, that is then deemed to be hurting ones
neighbour, not exposing sin and bringing the wisdom of God to bear so repentance and confession
can happen.

John the Baptist died because he preached against Herods sin. In your mind he should have kept
quiet, not exactly the Kingdom you have an allegiance to.

loveme1 · Oct 27, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

We are going around in circles.. you have neither the power to give or take.. neither I.. you are out to prove someone is in unbelief and many will heckle along with your show.. farewell.

loveme1 · Oct 27, 2017

PeterJens said:

For those doubting dc still has control of his twitter account, here is a comment
from yesterday made by him, not rude, but specifying what he has been doing

https://twitter.com/dcontroversal/status/923508750601687040

"To an outsider who has spent 7 or 8 months in Au over 8 trips,it seems your letting in the wrong people -> too hard and $$ for the right 1s" 4:16 AM - 26 Oct 2017

Now if one was concerned about pictures or exchanges from the past being hacked
it would be simple to delete them.

But no, they are still there, so I for one do not believe a word about innocense, rather
the opposite.

And for those who think this is slander, slander is something that is not true or straight
forward.

It does amaze me how naive some can be. But then preachers can commit fraud, have
affairs, lie, cheat and still go back to the ministry. Either people are very forgiving or
they would rather imagine everything is fine, because the opposite is much worse for them.

I really have missed the memo on this...

PeterJens · Oct 27, 2017

joefizz said:

joefizz - I think you are mistaken.

I have not judged dc, I have just brought to light some statements.
I have not said they are right or wrong, just representative of certain groups.

Bringing things into the light, it is up to people to decide what they then want
to do. I have no problem with sinners being sinners, they take their fate into their
own hands. I will just proclaim the saving knowledge of Jesus and the cross.

I do have a problem with people claiming spiritual authority, disowning my faith,
condemning me to hell and actually coming from a different background than the
one they appear to be.

Believe it or not, when I gave my life to Christ, I gave my life to Christ.
And I will not throw the Lord away or His testimony. So it matters deeply, more
than the blood that flows through my veins.

If you said to me recant or die, I would laugh, for greater is my King than any man
on earth, and in His hands I live or die.

It is why when Jesus was told by Pilate he had the power of life and death over him,
He replied, that the Father had given Pilate this authority, so Pilate was wrong, and
Jesus was submitting to the situation and its eternal significance. So likewise we are
called to walk this road.

A friend of some muslims who was witnessing to them was stopped in a car, and asked
whether any non-muslims were present. Rather than lie, because he did not fear death,
he spoke up, and was killed. Such is the way of the Lord and our love of Him. Amen.

TruthTalk · Oct 27, 2017

Rokurac said:

Abiding means, "to continue or to remain in sin" (Transliteration: menó), it does not mean,
a Christian will not sin.

Strong's Concordance

Definition: I remain, abide, stay, wait; with acc: I wait for, await.
Short Definition: I remain, abide
menó: to stay, abide, remain

Original Word: μένω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: menó
Phonetic Spelling: (men'-o)
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But there are those who say the Bible says we do not sin.

1 John 3:6, "No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him."
1 John 3:9, "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
1 John 5:18, "We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him."

The Bible is not saying that we don't sin. Those verses in 1 John are talking about abiding in sin. That is not what Christians do. In fact, 1 John earlier in the same epistle states the following.

stonesoffire · Oct 27, 2017

PHart said:

You know Phart...I think I understand what you are saying. But, there is a reason why the church has been so weakened and not strong in the Lord. And I know you know it.

The church in the beginning was being so persecuted that only those with true faith would join up with it. The gospel has been weakened, true. When Holy Spirit is taken out of the meetings...what is there? Religion. Religious thought. Entertainment.

I truly believe that judgement is falling and not just on the house of God. We are seeing sin being revealed everywhere. And Trump is doing a great job in draining the swamp.

There is a mix here. Some have gone on to Pentecost but have stopped there. Some only Passover minded. Others hear a call to go further.

But, security of the believer is always the line...and that is the Cross and His blood sacrifice. Not faith. Faith is ever increasing true. But, the simple faith in the blood...stays true and there is the unity of all. And blood is our security. Covers. Purges if one is not mixed by having idols. For it's idolatry that is the problem.

Babes, young men, fathers. Where are we?

So look at who is where. That might make things simpler.

stonesoffire · Oct 27, 2017

Also, I want to say..it's only been the last 20 or so years that I've been judged and found wanting too. So I have great mercy for those who are yet not seeing what is occurring.

The mercied will be merciful.

stonesoffire · Oct 27, 2017

And I said that wrong and can't edit now. It's been over 20 some years that I was judged and found wanting. I'm being purged on a daily basis...but perfection? Only Jesus has that.

All together we will come into unity of the knowledge of Jesus. Then we will all be perfected.

joefizz · Oct 27, 2017

PeterJens said:

Not judging???
You went out of your way to go and find something on him if that's not judging then it's at the very least willful maliciousness and as I said before trying to "shame someone" as in seek personal info on someone and then bring it here where as I'm sure you know due to your actions with those posts,you made something that was private,public,because a person can use a search engine,so whether you feign innocence or not you have sought damage and may have possibly done some to dcontroversal that is not something God would have anyone to do thereby is willful sin you committed,why can't you see that already?

VCO · Oct 27, 2017

PeterJens said:

For those doubting dc still has control of his twitter account, here is a comment
from yesterday made by him, not rude, but specifying what he has been doing

https://twitter.com/dcontroversal/status/923508750601687040

"To an outsider who has spent 7 or 8 months in Au over 8 trips,it seems your letting in the wrong people -> too hard and $$ for the right 1s" 4:16 AM - 26 Oct 2017

Now if one was concerned about pictures or exchanges from the past being hacked
it would be simple to delete them.

But no, they are still there, so I for one do not believe a word about innocense, rather
the opposite.

And for those who think this is slander, slander is something that is not true or straight
forward.

It does amaze me how naive some can be. But then preachers can commit fraud, have
affairs, lie, cheat and still go back to the ministry. Either people are very forgiving or
they would rather imagine everything is fine, because the opposite is much worse for them.

NOW that should enough to get you PeterJans, BANNED for a Personal Attack according to the Rules. Oh, by the way, violating the Rules of CC, {which are an ordinance of man}, constitutes a COMMITTED SIN.

stonesoffire · Oct 27, 2017

1Pe 4:7　 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
　

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1Pe 4:9　 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.

Now to the poster who posted the hacked material. I can believe that DC was hacked after experiencing the same thing on my facebook.

If that person who posted that...would of truly been of a right heart, he would of confronted DC privately and not publicly the way he did. I have an idea who it was too. DC has made a few enemies over the last few bannings.

Peter, where is your heart? Do you walk by the Word? I think you need to look at self before pointing fingers. Now I would have sent this privately but you have are making public accusations.

I think the mods need to step in and stop this.

　

eternally-gratefull · Oct 27, 2017

I hope people have reported PJ. His attacks have been horrible in the past But this latest attack is just over the top. And his refusal to even repent (not that I expected it anyway, because he has yet to repent of anything, even when he has been proven, as this time, to be in error.

It amazes me even more, that even if he does not get banned. People keep responding to him.

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