Not By Works

[PJW]

I don't see where Paul, Peter, James etc were comparable to Jesus PJW. Believed in His power, yes. Moved by His power and the authority of His name, yes. But, out of their own good self? No.

Not really sure of your intent here, but if Pete and Jim were reborn of the same seed Jesus descended from, how are they anything different than Jesus?
I know that only one of Jesus' progenitors was the Father, but isn't He also the Father of Jesus' brethren?
"He is not ashamed to call us brethren."
Everything accomplished by the sons of God is done in the name of Jesus Christ.
That is the power available to everyone who serves ONLY God.

 

[PJW]

Delusion to the max,stop sinning as if it's some thing that you yourself can just stop entirely,so let me get this straight a person can remove their heart and brain without dieing so as to be sinless?
no????

YES!
It is called rebirth, and happens after the old you is killed with Christ. (Rom 6:3-6)

exactly the point so long as we are here we will sin not intentionally of course but it's impossible not to sin,because what you are basically declaring is that you have never wronged anyone,never lusted or had greed or any other sin,after being baptized,I understand your idea but it doesn't carry,there is only one time for remission of sin through baptism and so I can see where you are pretending you haven't sinned,but it just isn't true for there are even more sins then what I have mentioned that you don't even perceive in a day,such as sloth(idleness),once again what you are saying is that we don't need Jesus after being baptized because we can keep from sin on our own,which is the same as a false report(lieing) anyone can do that go around telling everyone of one's perfection but guess what that is a sin right there(a prideful look) so you have sinned multiple times just as peter just by...
...declaring your perfection.

Were we not commanded by Jesus to..."Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect."? (Matt 5:48)
God has made a way for us to comply with His commandments.

 

[joefizz]

And you just judged me. I said you use psychology rather than the scriptures and you just proved it. I said none of those things to you.

Indeed whom is "desperate" and whom is "honest" determines whom thou serves.

 

[PJW]

The truth is that we are the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ. It is always "in Him". Else we will hear, I never knew you, you that work iniquity.

Anything that is not birthed out of the power of Holy Spirit will be of our own humanity, which is iniquity. And mostly religion.

Please remember..."Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." (James 1:27)
There is pure religion on earth now.

 

[joefizz]

YES!
It is called rebirth, and happens after the old you is killed with Christ. (Rom 6:3-6)


Were we not commanded by Jesus to..."Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect."? (Matt 5:48)
God has made a way for us to comply with His commandments.

"they do my commandments but their heart is far from me" comes to mind.

 

[TruthTalk]

It's simple: Put them all on ignore and those who pander to them and their false gospels.

Hi Preacher, you mean put them on ignore like this;

Ignore List

To remove a user from your ignore list, un-check the box associated with their name and click the 'Save Changes' button.

To add a user to the list, enter their name into the empty text box and click 'Okay'.
Chat Nickname - add here - Add a Member to Your List' - click okay'

Glad that nonsense is gone.

 

[PJW]

Well guess what I despise satan and I'm sure he's gonna be steamed with me Again for standing against his children that mock Jesus
,I fear only God,
satan can get over himself
I have made my "absolute choice" to serve God and have the holy spirit guide me
if you can't "handle that" then cry to satan for better lies and try again,
or just stay with him.

I give glory to God for your professed repentance from sin.
You have stated exactly what repentance from sin is!
Serving only God, to the great consternation of the devil.

Remember this verse the next time you are tempted..."[FONT=&quot]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
Look for the escapes![/FONT]

 

[joefizz]

Please remember..."Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." (James 1:27)
There is pure religion on earth now.

"The first great commandment is to love God with all thy heart,mind,soul and strength" "and the second is like unto it love thy neighbor as thyself" "upon these hang all the laws and prophets".
"if you love not your brother which you have seen how can thou love God who ye have not seen"?

 

[PJW]

So a servant of God is to hide from his master forever,smart!?

Servants of sin don't serve a second master.

 

[stonesoffire]

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I'm not really advertising John Bevere's book. Am just making a point about how a Christian can have sin in the life, and need help for a long period of time.

And this is just one way we can be bound. You think Christians cannot have demonic spirits in the soul?

If so you are fooled. Not the Spirit but bound in the soul life.

 

[PJW]

Sigh.... People are so delusional to think they are living sinless lives. Do I need to bring up the truth that knowing to do good and not doing it is a sin?

Yeah.

Why would you think servants of God would forget?

 

[Hizikyah]

"they do my commandments but their heart is far from me" comes to mind.

I think you quoted that wrong, they actually dont do His Commandments...

Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

*Isayah 29:13-14, "Therefore YHWH said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."

Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."


You made it say the exact oppisite.

 

[stonesoffire]

Please remember..."Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." (James 1:27)
There is pure religion on earth now.

Religion is not what the body of Christ is about. The body is the new and living way. Members of Him. He takes us all just as we are...and makes us into His image at the timing that only He knows one is able to hear.

Did you rapture away yet in your perfection? I will pray you get delivered from religion into Him.

 

[joefizz]

stones - Did I speak the truth or am I wrong?

And I speak as things come to me. I can do nothing else.
The funny thing is you appear only to be saying my method is not scriptural, not that
I have said anything wrong. There is a big difference in that.

And I respect the fact you are not lying, or slandering, or being insulted or calling me
of satan, or evil etc. It makes a change.

How do you train someone for combat? You beat them up, so thankyou for the training
session, I appreciate it, I owe you a lot, for you are Gods gift to me, Praise the Lord.

"Better to holdeth thy tongue and seemeth foolish than to open wide thy mouth removing all doubt".

 

[PJW]

I saw it said that knowing to do good, and not doing it, is sin. Did you miss that? So being obedient to God all the time, as you say, is not on the table when sins of omission are present.

I agree with you, but what makes you think that men who love God above all else will not love their neighbor as themselves too?

 

[stonesoffire]

oh, just one more...not under Jewish law.

~Act_15:20　 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.


Act_15:29　 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


Act_21:25　 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

 

[Grandpa]

Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

What are these commandments of men?

Hebrews 7:16-18
[FONT=&quot]16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

They are carnal commandments. Commandments that people think they fulfill by their carnal understanding and their carnal will.

Like refraining from killing. Like resting on saturdays.

There is verily a disannulling of these carnal commandments because of the weakness and unprofitableness of them, compared to coming to Christ.[/FONT]

 

[Magenta]

I agree with you, but what makes you think that men who love God above all else will not love their neighbor as themselves too?

What makes you think I think that? Making false accusations is not love.

 

[Hizikyah]

I think you quoted that wrong, they actually dont do His Commandments...

Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

*Isayah 29:13-14, "Therefore YHWH said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."

Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."


You made it say the exact oppisite.

Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

What are these commandments of men?

Hebrews 7:16-18
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

They are carnal commandments. Commandments that people think they fulfill by their carnal understanding and their carnal will.

Like refraining from killing. Like resting on saturdays.

There is verily a disannulling of these carnal commandments because of the weakness and unprofitableness of them, compared to coming to Christ.

No the carnal Commandment is the humans levitical priesthood in which we now have Yahshua as High Priest

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."[/FONT]


Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”

Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.”

1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 8:3 For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to defeat; overthrow, fit, YHWH did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."

He did not bear witness against the Law, He came to bear witness against sin, which is the breaking the Law.

Is it a sin to steal? or is it a sin to follow do not steal?

Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

 

[PeterJens]

Peter has done that since he got here. your wasting your tim weight Loveme, if it was myself or Dcon that did what Peter did she would be all over us, But it is her buddy who does no wrong

oh I am struck to the heart.
What I have done always is praise God for His blessing of me. Gods bounty knows no end
His mercies are never ending.

I lose track of the terrible things I have shared like following Christ and knowing His victory
or love in Christ changes us, or obedience to Gods will is our calling.

Sin is a problem but Christ through repentance and confession is the answer.
Now it appears some hate this message of scripture, so I would ask, do they know
Christ or listen to His word?