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I've never heard anyone say they think trusting Him For eternal life is distinctly different than trusting the other things He has said and promised...its okay, its how you look at it. I've just never heard it.
It seems odd to me (not saying YOU seem odd, but the thought is odd to me
). The idea of trusting what He said about being able to reanimate my dead body one day seems harder to swallow than that He will provide temporal sustenance for me.
Why believe Him that I will live forever but then not believe the other things He has said? It doesn't make sense to me.
It seems odd to me (not saying YOU seem odd, but the thought is odd to me
). The idea of trusting what He said about being able to reanimate my dead body one day seems harder to swallow than that He will provide temporal sustenance for me.Why believe Him that I will live forever but then not believe the other things He has said? It doesn't make sense to me.
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I've never heard anyone say they think trusting Him For eternal life is distinctly different than trusting the other things He has said and promised...its okay, its how you look at it. I've just never heard it.
It seems odd to me (not saying YOU seem odd, but the thought is odd to me). The idea of trusting what He said about being able to reanimate my dead body one day seems harder to swallow than that He will provide temporal sustenance for me.
Why believe Him that I will live forever but then not believe the other things He has said? It doesn't make sense to me.
It seems odd to me (not saying YOU seem odd, but the thought is odd to me
). The idea of trusting what He said about being able to reanimate my dead body one day seems harder to swallow than that He will provide temporal sustenance for me.Why believe Him that I will live forever but then not believe the other things He has said? It doesn't make sense to me.
Release yourself from that burden (if you carry it) and begin to recognize the difference between trusting God that he will make a way so you don't have to sin to relieve your suffering in this life, and trusting God that he has forgiven you through Christ's sacrifice offered on your behalf.
Paul talks about this difference in what we trust God for here:
"32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?" (Romans 8:32 NIV)
In general, I don't see Christians in a struggle to believe that the gospel is true and that they are forgiven in Christ. I see Christians struggling with faith in God's daily provision to not sin when they feel like they have to do something wrong to have their needs met in life's daily circumstances. There is indeed a difference. Paul recognized it (see above) and so should we.
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Even if they WEREN'T lies/hacked, those words should not have been posted in this forum. The fact that someone would not see the inappropriateness of such filthy words in a Christian forum is puzzling to me. We aren't talking about mild cursing here. It was very vile and gross. I don't think you would post stuff like that about someone you disagree with even if it WERE their true posts. You seem a little harsh and mean in your responses sometimes, (just my opinion),but I think you would not do that from what I've come to know of you.
I'm sorry that has happened to your tweet account. Or...twitter? Don't really remember what it's called. I think I'm glad I don't have one of those accounts, seeing as what happened to you.
I'm sorry that has happened to your tweet account. Or...twitter? Don't really remember what it's called.
I think I'm glad I don't have one of those accounts, seeing as what happened to you.
It is written..."[FONT="]Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body." (2 Cor 4:10)
If men commit sin, they cannot manifest the life of Jesus Christ in their bodies.
BTW, the "weapon" was suggested against me by another poster.[/FONT]
If men commit sin, they cannot manifest the life of Jesus Christ in their bodies.
BTW, the "weapon" was suggested against me by another poster.[/FONT]
Thanks ZI......I appreciate that.....I do not normally post stuff like this, but have on three occasions over the last 30 years went down in front of the whole church and apologized for my behavior....the first time in front of over 500 people...when I am wrong I can admit it and say so without difficulty.
Hmm...I don't think that every time I struggle with mistrust (which is unbelief in something He has said), that my salvation is in danger. This sin is covered by His blood. If it weren't, I'd be a goner. Because I've had areas of unbelief after I met Him, which He walked me through...this is difficult stuff for me so please be patient.
You've neglected the final judgement all men will endure.. "[FONT="]But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of [/FONT]judgment. (Matt 12:36)
And..."[FONT="]For the time is come that [/FONT]judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
And..."[FONT="]For the time is come that [/FONT]judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
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Then you say that grace is in fact a license to sin.
If grace makes it so there is nothing whatsoever that you can do or believe that can forfeit your salvation then you are in fact saying grace is a license to do anything and you are still saved.
We all know this. This is not in disagreement. What you disagree with is the condition for having that which is the down payment and guarantee of the fullness and completion to come. The condition to have that guarantee is that you are presently believing.
"...you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you..." (1 Corinthians 15:2 NASB)
You who are always playing the verb tense card, the verbs 'are' and 'hold fast' are in the present tense. If you say the person who no longer believes is also saved then what Paul said is no longer true. You can't get around it.
You may be tempted to now switch to the other argument that the true believer will never stop believing, but that negates the argument that you just made. You would be saying there is something that can forfeit salvation, it's just that the true believer won't do it.
The only logical argument, and which is the one the Bible presents, is that a person gets saved the moment they believe and they stay saved as long as they continue in that believing.
If grace makes it so there is nothing whatsoever that you can do or believe that can forfeit your salvation then you are in fact saying grace is a license to do anything and you are still saved.
We all know this. This is not in disagreement. What you disagree with is the condition for having that which is the down payment and guarantee of the fullness and completion to come. The condition to have that guarantee is that you are presently believing.
"...you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you..." (1 Corinthians 15:2 NASB)
You who are always playing the verb tense card, the verbs 'are' and 'hold fast' are in the present tense. If you say the person who no longer believes is also saved then what Paul said is no longer true. You can't get around it.
You may be tempted to now switch to the other argument that the true believer will never stop believing, but that negates the argument that you just made. You would be saying there is something that can forfeit salvation, it's just that the true believer won't do it.
The only logical argument, and which is the one the Bible presents, is that a person gets saved the moment they believe and they stay saved as long as they continue in that believing.
I won't be judged for needing glasses or bad knees.
But the perfect in Christ Jesus will hear..."[FONT="]His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.[/FONT]" {Matt 25:21)
How faithful are murderers and adulterers?
But the perfect in Christ Jesus will hear..."[FONT="]His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.[/FONT]" {Matt 25:21)
How faithful are murderers and adulterers?
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[SUP] [/SUP]neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, [SUP] [/SUP]neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.[Romans 8:38,39]
As Apostle Paul so poignantly stated, nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. That includes ourselves.
who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. [1 Peter 1:5]
We are kept(shielded as the NIV puts it) by God's power through faith. Some, sadly, think faith is something that can be obtained. So, logically speaking, if something can be obtained, that something can be tossed aside. But faith is not something obtained, it is not something that is innate within man, but is a gift of God. And the gifts of God are irrevocable.[Romans 11:29]
That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet this is no cause for shame, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day.[2 Timothy 1:12]
Paul affirms God's sovereignity in the salvation of His elect. He knows that it is God who has his life in His hands, and He is able to guard them until the day of Judgment.
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.[SUP] [/SUP]I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”[John 10:27-30]
No man, no man, including yourself, can take yourself out of God's hand.
This false earn it as you walk it garbage needs tossed out of our churches. God is not some patsy up there letting His elect die lost. His Son died for them, and it is impossible for one of His elect to die lost. Impossible.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, phart.
As Apostle Paul so poignantly stated, nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. That includes ourselves.
who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. [1 Peter 1:5]
We are kept(shielded as the NIV puts it) by God's power through faith. Some, sadly, think faith is something that can be obtained. So, logically speaking, if something can be obtained, that something can be tossed aside. But faith is not something obtained, it is not something that is innate within man, but is a gift of God. And the gifts of God are irrevocable.[Romans 11:29]
That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet this is no cause for shame, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day.[2 Timothy 1:12]
Paul affirms God's sovereignity in the salvation of His elect. He knows that it is God who has his life in His hands, and He is able to guard them until the day of Judgment.
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.[SUP] [/SUP]I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”[John 10:27-30]
No man, no man, including yourself, can take yourself out of God's hand.
This false earn it as you walk it garbage needs tossed out of our churches. God is not some patsy up there letting His elect die lost. His Son died for them, and it is impossible for one of His elect to die lost. Impossible.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, phart.
No I do not...you really should lose this farce of an argument that is not only false but contrary to the truth....
Written to believers.....Where sin abound grace did much more abound and Shall we continue in sin since grace abounds....
Lose your false mindset and for one second use Godly, biblical reasoning.....the above two statements written unto believers absolutely destroys your theology....even LOGICALLY they destroy your view......