When was the Messiah put in the grave? and when did He resurrect?

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

I beleive He rose on the Sabbath just before sundown and presented Himself to Yah on Firstfruits to fulfill it:

Leviticus 23:10-11, “to the children of Yisra’ĕl, and you shall say to them, ‘When you come into the land which I give you, and shall reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest. And he shall wave the sheaf before יהוה, for your acceptance. On the morrow after the Sabbath the priest waves it."

beta · Oct 28, 2017

posthuman said:

Yahshua's death, burial and resurrection don't seem to mention Firstfruits in connection with His prediction ...or have I missed it ?

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

beta said:

1 Corinthians 15:20-23, “But now Messiah has been raised from the dead, and has become the first-fruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a Man. For as all die in Aḏam, so also all shall be made alive in Messiah . And each in his own order: Messiah the first-fruits, then those who are of Messiah at His coming,”

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

The Firstfruits section from the OP;

Hizikyah said:

1 Corinthians 15:20-23, “But now Messiah has been raised from the dead, and has become the first-fruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a Man. For as all die in Aḏam, so also all shall be made alive in Messiah . And each in his own order: Messiah the first-fruits, then those who are of Messiah at His coming,”

“first-fruits” is word #G536 - ἀπαρχή aparche: the beginning of a sacrifice, i.e. the first fruit, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine - Transliteration: aparché - Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ar-khay') - Short Definition: the first-fruits, Definition: the first-fruits, the earliest crop of the year, hence also met., for example, of the earliest converts in a district; there is evidence in favor of rendering in some passages merely by: sacrifice, gift.

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) to offer firstlings or firstfruits, 2) to take away the firstfruits of the productions of the earth which was offered to God. The first portion of the dough, from which sacred loaves were to be prepared. Hence term used of persons consecrated to God for all time, 3) persons superior in excellence to others of the same class

Leviticus 23:10-11, “to the children of Yisra’ĕl, and you shall say to them, ‘When you come into the land which I give you, and shall reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest. And he shall wave the sheaf before יהוה, for your acceptance. On the morrow after the Sabbath the priest waves it."

In the Fest of First-Fruits the Priest “On the morrow after the Sabbath the priest waves it”

That is why when the women came to the tomb;

John 20:1, “And on the first day of the week Miryam from Maḡdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.”

Yahshua did not let Himself be touched;

John 20:17, "יהושע said to her, “Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Strength and your Strength.”

He had not yet ascended to YHWH to present Himself as the First-Fruits to YHWH;

Leviticus 23:10-11, “...the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest. And he shall wave the sheaf before יהוה, for your acceptance...”

Ephesians 4:9-10, “But what does “He went up” mean, except that He also first went down into the lower parts of the earth? He who went down is also the One who went up far above all the heavens, to fill all.”

John 3:10-13, "יהושע answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Yisra’yl, and do not know this? Truly, truly, I say to you, We speak what We know and witness what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If you do not believe when I spoke to you about earthly matters, how are you going to believe when I speak to you about the heavenly matters? And no one has gone up into the heaven except He who came down from the heaven – the Son of Aḏam.”

Colossians 1:15, "He is the image of the invisible Father, the firstborn of all creation."

Colossians 1:18, "For He is the Head of the body, the called out ones, Who is the beginning of the firstborn from the dead, so that in all things He may have the pre-eminence."

Revelation 1:5, "And from Yahshua Messiah, the faithful witness, and the firstborn from the dead, and the Ruler of future kings of the earth. To Him Who loved us and freed us from our sins by His own blood."

Leviticus 23:17, “Bring from your dwellings for a wave offering two loaves of bread, of two-tenths of an ĕphah of fine flour they are, baked with leaven, first-fruits to יהוה.”

“first-fruits” is word #H1061 בִּכּוּר bikkuwr (bik-koor') n-m., the first-fruits of the crop., [from H1069], KJV: first fruit (-ripe (figuratively)), hasty fruit., Root(s): H1069

View attachment 175538

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

Accidently cutthis part out;

John 20:17, "יהושע said to her, “Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Strength and your Strength.”

Why is it when Mary/Miryam tries to touch Yahshua He says: “Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father”

John 20:18, "Miryam from Maḡdala came announcing to the taught ones that she had seen the Master, and that He had told her this."

Then Miryam leaves Yahshua and goes and tells the disciples what happened, leaving Yahshua alone.

John 20:24-27, "But T’oma (Thomas), called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when יהושע came, so the other disciples said to him, “We have seen the Master.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the mark of the nails, and put my finger into the imprint of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I shall by no means believe. And after eight days His taught ones were again inside, and T’oma with them. יהושע came, the doors having been shut, and He stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you! Then He said to T’oma, “Bring your finger here, and see My hands. And bring your hand and put it into My side – and do not be unbelieving, but believing.”

Here, eight days later, He tells T’oma to touch Him, but when Miryam tried to touch Him He did not allow her. Why could Miriam not touch Him but Thomas could? What happened between this time period of these 2 incidents?

The reason for this is understood in something called the Fest of Firstfruits. It is one of the Moadim or Feast Days of YHWH. In which the entire woks of Messiah from His Sacrifice and Resurrection to His return as the conquering Lion and Rulership over all is laid out in perfect prophetic shadow pictures.

beta · Oct 28, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Yes I know He is the Firstfruit ! what I meant was that He was not predicted to rise on the day of firstfruits/sunday.
But I certainly agree with you that He presented Himself to His Father on that day...which is however not the resurrection per se - but His ascension...in full view of His Disciples.....a different event from the actual resurrection.

MarcR · Oct 28, 2017

7/16/2015 Is there a break in Daniel's 70 weeks? (Daniel 9:26)

Your fridays are IMO irrelevant because Jesus was crucified on a Thursday.

Passover began at sundown Wednesday, Abib13 and ran until sundown Thursday Abib14 The Levitical Sabbath of Abib 15 (first day of Unleavened Bread) began at sundown Thursday Abib 14 and ended sundown Friday Abib15. [Jesus was entombed before sundown Thursday so Thursday night and Friday were 1 night and 1 day]. The seventh day Sabbath started at sundown Friday Abib 15 and ended at sundown Saturday Abib 16 [Jesus was now entombed for 2 nights and 2 days]. Firstfruits (Resurrection Sunday) began at sundown Saturday Abib16 and ended sundown Sunday Abib17. [Jesus arose on the third day as was foretold: Matt 20:18-19
18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again. KJV]

7/27/2015 Is there a break in Daniel's 70 weeks? (Daniel 9:26)

In searching for what day of the week Abib 14 fell on in 28 A.D. I ran across this article which, IMO, reliably fixes the date of Jesus crucifixion at Wednesday Abib14 28 A.D.
http://www.biblicaltheology.com/Rese...msundarP01.pdf

Since I have long been persuaded that 28 A.D. is the correct year. I must now rethink my belief in a Thursday crucifixion.

I have up till now rejected a Wednesday crucifixion; because I could not see how Jesus could rise on the 3rd day and rise on Sunday.

I must now try to reconcile those requirements.
Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
I believe that Luke 2:2 places the census decree in 6 B.C. and Jesus' birth in 5 B.C.; thus putting His death on the cross in 28 A.D. Going back 483 years brings to 455 B.C., which was the eleventh year of Artaxerxes Longimanus. This is consistent with Ezra Chapter 7. Ezra 7:18 does not specifically mention a command to build the wall; but does not preclude it. We know that when Nehemiah joined the work in the 20th year of Artaxerxes Longimanus (Neh 2:1), that the building of the wall was in progress already.

So then, seventy weeks are decreed Dan 9:24. The command to build the wall was given in 455 B.C. Jesus was born in 5B.C. Jesus was born in 5B.C., and was crucified ('cut off') in 28 A.D. (Dan 9:25)

The Seventieth week is reserved for 'Jacob's Trouble' (Jer 30:7) the Great tribulation (Rv 2:22, Rv 7:14).
Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
TIBERIUS

3. Reign: In 13 A.D. (or according to Mommsen 11 A.D.) Tiberius was by a special law raised to the co-regency. Augustus died August 19, 14 A.D., and Tiberius succeeded. A mutiny in the Rhine legions was suppressed by Germanicus. The principal events of his reign (see also below) were the campaigns of Germanicus and Drusus, the withdrawal of the Romans to the Rhine, the settlement of the Armenian question, the rise and fall of Sejanus, the submission of Parthia. In 26 A.D., Tiberius retired to Capreae, where rumor attributed to him every excess of debauchery. On March 16, 37 A.D., Tiberius died at Misenum and was succeeded by Caius.
(from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Assuming Mommson is correct (A reasonable assumption since he was a leading archeologist of his time) 11A.D. +15= 26 A.D. 26+2.5 =29.5.

We now have a disparity of +/- 7 mos. This can be explained by differences in how years werte reconed to begin by different Rabbinic sects.

Some Rabbinic sects reckon with years beginning on Abib1; and counting any part of a year as a year. Other Rabbinic sects reckon the king's reign to begin on Adar 29, and only count entire years.

This could mean that what is called in Luke the 15th year of Tiberius could be the 14th year of Tiberius by Daniel's reckoning of time.
I believe that I have resolved all difficulties! In the year 27 A.D. Passover (Abib 14) fell on a Thursday.

Since Mary was already pregnant when the Census was decreed; Jesus could have been born as early as Sukkot, 6 B.C. His ministry started at age 30 (24-25 A.D) Which would put the command to build the wall in Jerusalem at 456 B.C. still meeting all necessary conditions to satisfy Ezra chapter 7.
If Jesus' ministry began before Passover in 25 A.D.; then Passover 27 A. D would be the third of His ministry.

If Tiberius' coregency began in the fall of 11 A.D (Julian); then the Hebrew Calendar year which subtended 26-27 A.D. would have been His 15th; thus satisfying Luke 3.

Zmouth · Oct 28, 2017

Hizikyah said:

There is only one Sabbath, that being the day following the sixth day, or rather the seventh day of a week.

There is no High Sabbath, the scripture you quoted doesn't even call it a High Sabbath but rather says the Sabbath was a high day.

It is written in the OT what a high day is.

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

beta said:

OK right on, yeah and I know I wrote on Passover and Firstfruits DB&R, but I just did that because He had to resurrect before He could present Him as the Firstfruits to YHWH. Here are afew of the verses in any case!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 23:10-12, “to the children of Yisra’ĕl, and you shall say to them, ‘When you come into the land which I give you, and shall reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest. And he shall wave the sheaf before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for your acceptance. On the morrow after the Sabbath the priest waves it. And on that day when you wave the sheaf, you shall prepare a male lamb a year old, a perfect one, as an ascending offering to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]

Ephesians 4:9-10, “But what does “He went up” mean, except that He also first went down into the lower parts of the earth? He who went down is also the One who went up far above all the heavens, to fill all.”

John 3:10-13, "יהושע answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Yisra’yl, and do not know this? Truly, truly, I say to you, We speak what We know and witness what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If you do not believe when I spoke to you about earthly matters, how are you going to believe when I speak to you about the heavenly matters? And no one has gone up into the heaven except He who came down from the heaven – the Son of Aḏam.”

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

Zmouth said:

John explains it here, they didn't want to leave the bodies there because a High Day Sabbath was coming;

John 19:31, “Therefore, since it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one – the Yehuḏim asked Pilate to have their legs broken, and that they be taken away.” TS 2009

John 19:31, “Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day)…” NKJV

John 19:31, ‘The Jews therefore, because it was the Preparation, that the bodies should not remain on the cross upon the sabbath (for the day of that sabbath was a high day)” ASV

John 19:31, ‘Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day)…”

The High Sabbath's or Moadim are;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice (Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]presenting Himself to YHWH[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif])[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever[/FONT][/FONT]

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

MarcR said:

7/16/2015 Is there a break in Daniel's 70 weeks? (Daniel 9:26)

Your fridays are IMO irrelevant because Jesus was crucified on a Thursday.

Passover began at sundown Wednesday, Abib13 and ran until sundown Thursday Abib14 The Levitical Sabbath of Abib 15 (first day of Unleavened Bread) began at sundown Thursday Abib 14 and ended sundown Friday Abib15. [Jesus was entombed before sundown Thursday so Thursday night and Friday were 1 night and 1 day]. The seventh day Sabbath started at sundown Friday Abib 15 and ended at sundown Saturday Abib 16 [Jesus was now entombed for 2 nights and 2 days]. Firstfruits (Resurrection Sunday) began at sundown Saturday Abib16 and ended sundown Sunday Abib17. [Jesus arose on the third day as was foretold: Matt 20:18-19
18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again. KJV]

7/27/2015 Is there a break in Daniel's 70 weeks? (Daniel 9:26)

In searching for what day of the week Abib 14 fell on in 28 A.D. I ran across this article which, IMO, reliably fixes the date of Jesus crucifixion at Wednesday Abib14 28 A.D.
http://www.biblicaltheology.com/Rese...msundarP01.pdf

Since I have long been persuaded that 28 A.D. is the correct year. I must now rethink my belief in a Thursday crucifixion.

I have up till now rejected a Wednesday crucifixion; because I could not see how Jesus could rise on the 3rd day and rise on Sunday.

I must now try to reconcile those requirements.
Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
I believe that Luke 2:2 places the census decree in 6 B.C. and Jesus' birth in 5 B.C.; thus putting His death on the cross in 28 A.D. Going back 483 years brings to 455 B.C., which was the eleventh year of Artaxerxes Longimanus. This is consistent with Ezra Chapter 7. Ezra 7:18 does not specifically mention a command to build the wall; but does not preclude it. We know that when Nehemiah joined the work in the 20th year of Artaxerxes Longimanus (Neh 2:1), that the building of the wall was in progress already.

So then, seventy weeks are decreed Dan 9:24. The command to build the wall was given in 455 B.C. Jesus was born in 5B.C. Jesus was born in 5B.C., and was crucified ('cut off') in 28 A.D. (Dan 9:25)

The Seventieth week is reserved for 'Jacob's Trouble' (Jer 30:7) the Great tribulation (Rv 2:22, Rv 7:14).
Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
TIBERIUS

3. Reign: In 13 A.D. (or according to Mommsen 11 A.D.) Tiberius was by a special law raised to the co-regency. Augustus died August 19, 14 A.D., and Tiberius succeeded. A mutiny in the Rhine legions was suppressed by Germanicus. The principal events of his reign (see also below) were the campaigns of Germanicus and Drusus, the withdrawal of the Romans to the Rhine, the settlement of the Armenian question, the rise and fall of Sejanus, the submission of Parthia. In 26 A.D., Tiberius retired to Capreae, where rumor attributed to him every excess of debauchery. On March 16, 37 A.D., Tiberius died at Misenum and was succeeded by Caius.
(from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Assuming Mommson is correct (A reasonable assumption since he was a leading archeologist of his time) 11A.D. +15= 26 A.D. 26+2.5 =29.5.

We now have a disparity of +/- 7 mos. This can be explained by differences in how years werte reconed to begin by different Rabbinic sects.

Some Rabbinic sects reckon with years beginning on Abib1; and counting any part of a year as a year. Other Rabbinic sects reckon the king's reign to begin on Adar 29, and only count entire years.

This could mean that what is called in Luke the 15th year of Tiberius could be the 14th year of Tiberius by Daniel's reckoning of time.
I believe that I have resolved all difficulties! In the year 27 A.D. Passover (Abib 14) fell on a Thursday.

Since Mary was already pregnant when the Census was decreed; Jesus could have been born as early as Sukkot, 6 B.C. His ministry started at age 30 (24-25 A.D) Which would put the command to build the wall in Jerusalem at 456 B.C. still meeting all necessary conditions to satisfy Ezra chapter 7.
If Jesus' ministry began before Passover in 25 A.D.; then Passover 27 A. D would be the third of His ministry.

If Tiberius' coregency began in the fall of 11 A.D (Julian); then the Hebrew Calendar year which subtended 26-27 A.D. would have been His 15th; thus satisfying Luke 3.

This is all very interesting but you are using extra Biblical sources that may or may not be true to show this.

MarcR said:

Im not sure how Daniel's 70 week prophecy proves what day... Also I don't know what you mean by "Your fridays are IMO irrelevant"

MarcR said:

Luke 2:2, "This took place as a first registration while Quirinius was governing Suria."

How so?

I agree with some of what you say here but I don't see how it proves the timeline concering what day.

beta · Oct 28, 2017

MarcR said:

Had Jesus been crucified on a Thursday that would have been the day of preparation and friday following the 'high day/sabbath that drew on with no work permitted, following the next day would have been the weekly sabbath when the women rested as per commandment.
Now please tell me WHEN they would have had opportunity to go and purchase then prepare the spices and ointments ? there just would not have been a moment's time.

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

Mat 28:5-6, “And the messenger responding, said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek יהושע who was impaled. He is not here, for He was raised, as He said. Come, see the place where the Master lay.”

Mark 16:1-5, "”And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya‛aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him. And very early on day one of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they said among themselves, “Who shall roll away the stone from the entrance of the tomb for us? And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, for it was extremely large. And having entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right, wearing a white robe, and they were greatly astonished."

NOTE;Verses 9–20 are not included in some of the earliest surviving Greek copies of Mark and have significant stylistic differences from the rest of Mark’s Gospel.

Added verse Mark 16:9, "And having risen early on the first day of the week He appeared first to Miryam from Maḡdala, from whom He had cast out seven demons.”

If v9-20 are authentic then the other 3 Gospels have it wonrg, if v9-20 are added all Gospels are in unity.

Luke 24:1-3, “But on day one of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. And having entered, they did not find the body of the Master יהושע."

John 20:1, "And on day one of the week Miryam from Maḡdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.”

Russell310 · Oct 29, 2017

Hizikyah how do you like the new Christian calendar?
https://i.imgur.com/0Zf2xFT.jpg

Russell310 · Oct 29, 2017

Here is the new Christian calendar:
https://i.imgur.com/0Zf2xFT.jpg

A little calendar history snapshot. Shows how the calendar system evolved.
https://i.imgur.com/PU3Wd1q.jpg

Hizikyah · Oct 29, 2017

I dont See it as Scriptually accurate because it says He rose on Sunday Easter. In the Scriptures He had already risen beofre Sunday and Easter has nothing to do with Yahshua/Jesus, and also it goes against Christianity to contain Halloween. I also find it odd that many alterations to the calendar were made, by man, and yet it folllows these changes.

MarcR · Oct 29, 2017

Hizikyah said:

The only 'extrabiblica'l source cited was International Standard Bible Encyclopedia. to date the 15th year of Tiberius mentioned by Luke. There is no Biblical record of the dates of Accession of Roman emperors; so we are forced to rely on reliable historical and archeological sources.

Admittedly I presupposed a Thursday crucifixion. I then determined on which year Abib 14 fell on a Thursday based on reliable astronomical calculations of the lunar calendar. I then used reliable Historical sources to check whether that date was consistent with other Historical information found in Scripture. I determined that if Jesus were indeed crucified on Passover of 28 A.D. The Census of Augustus would indeed coincide with Jesus Birth; and The Command to rebuild the Jerusalem wall would indeed coincide with the reign of Artaxerxes longimanus, in agreement with Ezra 7 and Neh 2.

MarcR · Oct 29, 2017

beta said:

Nothing precludes their having been on hand before the crucifixion. The disciples other than the 12 came from all walks of life and nothing precludes an apothecary from having been among them.

beta · Oct 29, 2017

MarcR said:

There is no HINT of this in scripture ! do you think it is ok to totally dismiss scripture and come up with your own fabrication ?

Hizikyah · Oct 29, 2017

MarcR said:

Sincerely I commned you studies in this matter, the 70 weeks propecy only exceeds its depth in it amazing reaities. and praise Yah, for those who truly love Him will seek Him and His truth. I remember studying it and using Encyclopedias and history books to confirm the prophcies timeline, and at first I found the rule of the Persian kings rule to be a single year off the prophecy, then when I studied deeper I found that in Persia the first yearof the kingsrreign was called the year of ascention, thus it matched perfetctly! amazing indeed.

To the point, I dont see how this shows the days He was entombed and resurrected? What do you think about the Scriptural path I have shown, do you find error in it? and what astronomical calculations showed a thursday Sacrifice? Is it reliable? and should not all the Scriptures first be taken to account to paint the scene and then anything else added in after? not using astronomical calculations that are extra biblical to set the date and work the Scriptures around it? I believe what I believe but I am open to hear others views and do respect you my brother.

When was the Messiah put in the grave? and when did He resurrect?

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Banned

Banned

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member