How Can We Be in Jesus, How do we KNOW we are in Him, What happens when we are in Him
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Very true! thank you and praise Yah! We have to seek Him even when He calls!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:7-12, “Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened. Or is there a man among you who, if his son asks for bread, shall give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, shall he give him a snake? If you then, being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father who is in the heavens give what is good to those who ask Him! Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Enter in through the narrow gate! Because the gate is wide – and the way is broad – that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter in through it. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Because the gate is narrow and the way is hard pressed which leads to life, and there are few who find it.[/FONT]
...xox...
Can you clarify what the curse of the Law is to you so I can give my belief.
The curse of the law, its sentence of condemnation and death, and the execution of it. The wrath to come.
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
OK Ill tell you, it's the death penalty;
Galatians 3:10-14, “10, "For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the Book of the Torah, to do them.” (Deut 27:26) 11, "And that no one is declared right by Torah before YHWH is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief. (Hab 2:4)” 12, "And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them, (Leviticus 18:5)” 13, "Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.” – (Deut 21:23) 14, "in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah יהושע, to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief."
Deuteronomy 27:26, “Cursed is he who does not establish the Words of this Torah.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amĕn!”
Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by faith."
“faith” is word #H530 אֱמוּנָה 'emuwnah (em-oo-naw') n-f., אֱמֻנָה 'emunah (em-oo-naw') [shortened], 1. (literally) firmness., 2. (figuratively) security., 3. (morally) fidelity.
[feminine of H529], KJV: faith(-ful, -ly, -ness, (man)), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily. , Root(s): H529
“faith” is word #H530 Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness
Leviticus 18:5, "‘And you shall guard My laws and My right-rulings, which a man does and lives by them. I am יהוה."
Deuteronomy 21:22-23, “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree. Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of YHWH – so that you do not defile the land which יהוה your Strength is giving you as an inheritance.”
1 Peter 2:24, "who Himself bore our sins in His body on the timber, so that we, having died to sins, might live unto righteousness, by whose stripes you were healed.”
Isaiah 53:4-5, “Truly, He has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. Yet we reckoned Him smitten·, stricken by YHWH, and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our crookedness. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.”
1 Peter 4:1-2, "Therefore, since Messiah suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so that he no longer lives the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but according to the desire of YHWH."
It is impossible to recieve the death penalty to those in Messiah, that is why it is an important thing to be in Messiah and not outside. Which is why this topic is important IMO.
The scripture teaches us that, "whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Either you are under "Grace" or the "Law." There must be "oil in the lamp (extra oil for refillings daily - Matthew 25:1-13)" What caused the lamps to go out in the time of Samuel as a boy, is causing the lamps to go out presently (1 Sam. 3:1-9). The Bible teaches us that many Christians retained the outward show and form of Faith but neglected the true inward life of Faith. The "Law" is a curse.
So do not kill is a curse? Hmm...... odd. So if you look at my prior post you can see in Scripture that the curse is the death penalty, which Yahshua/Jesus tokk upon Himself for those following Him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on Him, If(condition) you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; John 8:31
Remember, Jesus said out of the 10 Virgins (Believers), 5 were wise and 5 became foolish (once a Believer)...their oil was gone.
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The Law was perfect. The established truth of the law itself was not to be followed any longer, Jesus completed what we could never complete. Why the law in the first place then?? Two reasons. 1.So that all would become accountable.( Rom 3:19-20) and 2.For those who abide in it sin increases!!( Rom 5:20-21)
Jesus completed what we could never complete to those who BELIEVE!!!! ( Rom 10:4!) Now the only work we as believers have to believe what Jesus has accomplished. ( John 6:28-29) We cannot have both! After one become's a believer in Christ Jesus,they can no longer look to a letter for salvation,although some look to!( Heb 6:3-6)
And find out this is talking directly to what Paul said to the Church at Galatians ( Gal 5:4-12!) Once a test is completed do you return to the test to take it again?? Of course not! I used to live in California but now live in Michigan, does the law of California apply now to me in Michigan?? Again the answer would be no.
Here is one example of the large difference between the law and Christ Jesus.( Please look at 2 Kings 1:12, now look at where we are, and what we live under.(Luke 9:53-56!!) Here they were being rejected by the Samaritans and remembering how the Lord dealt with such rejection in the past,James and John asked if they could command fire to come down from heaven and consume them even as Elijah did!
Look at what Jesus said here!! He turned and REBUKED both of them! The law which no man could even hope to follow in,is replaced by a much better Covenant!( Hebrews 8:1-13!!) Even Moses knew himself that his time and covenant he lived under was passing away.( 2 Cor 3:6-18!) verse 13!
To me brothers and sisters there is no middle ground,you either believe in what Jesus has done and live that way,or you don't!( Rev 3:16). There is no try,there is only one valley left for all to fall into now,and that is the valley of excuses,and we come to find out,we have none!( Rom 1:20)
The bible is progressive Revelation and we either follow or we become left behind the shadows.( Heb 10:1) The free gift of Jesus Christ has been given to all people, he gave this gift freely,but what many people fail to understand is that now the ball is in your court!( Rom 11:29)
The measure of faith bestowed upon us by a most loving God is now YOUR responsibility!! Check out this ( gal 5:22-26) NOW!!!! Look at this!!( 2 peter 1:3-11!!) look close at verse 5!! YOUR FAITH!! What we do with his free gift we choose! verse 6 YOUR verse 7 YOUR verse 8 YOURS!! Jesus has done everything he is ever going to do for each of us.
Its our turn now,do we take him at his Word and live accordingly or do we look for an excuse we no longer have to remain as we are? Upon what YOU decide,is where you reward is given!( Rev 22:12) For many believers the time now is to wake from ones sleep!( Rom 13:11-14!!) Blessing all! Jesus is bound by his own word,and if you doubt this please look at what he could not do!!( mark 6:4-6!!) His Word and his name are the same!( psalm 138:2)
Jesus completed what we could never complete to those who BELIEVE!!!! ( Rom 10:4!) Now the only work we as believers have to believe what Jesus has accomplished. ( John 6:28-29) We cannot have both! After one become's a believer in Christ Jesus,they can no longer look to a letter for salvation,although some look to!( Heb 6:3-6)
And find out this is talking directly to what Paul said to the Church at Galatians ( Gal 5:4-12!) Once a test is completed do you return to the test to take it again?? Of course not! I used to live in California but now live in Michigan, does the law of California apply now to me in Michigan?? Again the answer would be no.
Here is one example of the large difference between the law and Christ Jesus.( Please look at 2 Kings 1:12, now look at where we are, and what we live under.(Luke 9:53-56!!) Here they were being rejected by the Samaritans and remembering how the Lord dealt with such rejection in the past,James and John asked if they could command fire to come down from heaven and consume them even as Elijah did!
Look at what Jesus said here!! He turned and REBUKED both of them! The law which no man could even hope to follow in,is replaced by a much better Covenant!( Hebrews 8:1-13!!) Even Moses knew himself that his time and covenant he lived under was passing away.( 2 Cor 3:6-18!) verse 13!
To me brothers and sisters there is no middle ground,you either believe in what Jesus has done and live that way,or you don't!( Rev 3:16). There is no try,there is only one valley left for all to fall into now,and that is the valley of excuses,and we come to find out,we have none!( Rom 1:20)
The bible is progressive Revelation and we either follow or we become left behind the shadows.( Heb 10:1) The free gift of Jesus Christ has been given to all people, he gave this gift freely,but what many people fail to understand is that now the ball is in your court!( Rom 11:29)
The measure of faith bestowed upon us by a most loving God is now YOUR responsibility!! Check out this ( gal 5:22-26) NOW!!!! Look at this!!( 2 peter 1:3-11!!) look close at verse 5!! YOUR FAITH!! What we do with his free gift we choose! verse 6 YOUR verse 7 YOUR verse 8 YOURS!! Jesus has done everything he is ever going to do for each of us.
Its our turn now,do we take him at his Word and live accordingly or do we look for an excuse we no longer have to remain as we are? Upon what YOU decide,is where you reward is given!( Rev 22:12) For many believers the time now is to wake from ones sleep!( Rom 13:11-14!!) Blessing all! Jesus is bound by his own word,and if you doubt this please look at what he could not do!!( mark 6:4-6!!) His Word and his name are the same!( psalm 138:2)
This is true indeed!
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:1-13, “Then the reign of the heavens shall be compared to ten maidens who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five foolish. Those who were foolish, having taken their lamps, took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their containers with their lamps. Now while the bridegroom took time, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight a cry was heard, ‘See, the bridegroom is coming, go out to meet him!’ Then all those maidens rose up and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, indeed, there would not be enough for us and you. Instead, go to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast, and the door was shut. And later the other maidens also came, saying, ‘Master, Master, open up for us!’ But he answering, said, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ Watch therefore, because you do not know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Aḏam is coming,”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."[/FONT]
Because we are in Christ the Holy Spirit keeps all laws and commandments for us when we place and maintain Faith exclusively in Christ and Cross., i.e., The Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus - where the victory was won. Failure to do so the works of the flesh will manifest (Gal. 5:19-21)., i.e., every weight, and the sin which does so easily ensnare us (Hebrews 12:1). This must be done by an act of Faith, by believing only, and not an act of labor.
The Holy Spirit only works between Christ and His Finished Work. He is the one that renews the mind, keeps all commandments, and all laws.
There is nothing within ourselves that any human being can produce that God will accept!
Remember, God said, "This is My Beloved Son who I Am well please." He never said that about us. The closest thing He said about us is, "without Faith it is impossible to please God."
It is imperative that a Believers Faith is exclusively in Christ and the Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work of Christ (Romans 8:2). Anything and everything else is during the same as Aaron's sons (Nadab & Abihu) by offering strange fire. (Lev. 10:1)
Christians offer strange fire when they change God's prescribed order of victory for sanctification (over sin, over the world, the flesh, and the Devil). Romans 8:2
Due to the fall, the flesh always wants to go beyond Gods way (Romans 8:1-2). The tree of the knowledge of good and evil does have good in it that Satan uses to deceive the Saints. The Apostle Paul said, "the good he had done deceived him (despite all of his efforts to live for the Lord by means of Law-keeping, he failed - for what the law could not do") Romans 8:3-4
The Law says do - Grace says done! He must increase, but I must decrease. John 3:30
There is nothing within ourselves that any human being can produce that God will accept!
Remember, God said, "This is My Beloved Son who I Am well please." He never said that about us. The closest thing He said about us is, "without Faith it is impossible to please God."
It is imperative that a Believers Faith is exclusively in Christ and the Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work of Christ (Romans 8:2). Anything and everything else is during the same as Aaron's sons (Nadab & Abihu) by offering strange fire. (Lev. 10:1)
Christians offer strange fire when they change God's prescribed order of victory for sanctification (over sin, over the world, the flesh, and the Devil). Romans 8:2
Due to the fall, the flesh always wants to go beyond Gods way (Romans 8:1-2). The tree of the knowledge of good and evil does have good in it that Satan uses to deceive the Saints. The Apostle Paul said, "the good he had done deceived him (despite all of his efforts to live for the Lord by means of Law-keeping, he failed - for what the law could not do") Romans 8:3-4
The Law says do - Grace says done! He must increase, but I must decrease. John 3:30
As a Christian we were "set free" the moment we are saved - "made free" speaks of a process. "Set Free," i.e., instantaneous - "Made Free, " i.e., You should know the truth and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32, John 14:6). "Made Free" = sanctification.
Two kinds of peace
1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15
2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3
The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.
The sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit mortifies the deed of the flesh by changing my condition into my position which is perfect and Holy because God has declared us justified (not guilt and innocent).
Two kinds of peace
1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15
2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3
The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.
The sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit mortifies the deed of the flesh by changing my condition into my position which is perfect and Holy because God has declared us justified (not guilt and innocent).