I actually really like this because you can get "high" on yourself camo flashed as a "high" on G-d buying food for the beggar on the street, paying for the old lady's meds in line because her insurance won't cover it, and so on and so forth, that there is a moment you think you have arrived. And it is those small foxes like that spoil the vines because the next day is when you (I) get laxed on Bible reading or praying, then it is the snowball effect.
How Can We Be in Jesus, How do we KNOW we are in Him, What happens when we are in Him
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I actually really like this because you can get "high" on yourself camo flashed as a "high" on G-d buying food for the beggar on the street, paying for the old lady's meds in line because her insurance won't cover it, and so on and so forth, that there is a moment you think you have arrived. And it is those small foxes like that spoil the vines because the next day is when you (I) get laxed on Bible reading or praying, then it is the snowball effect.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]
How do we sin In the Spirit If we have been born of Incorruptible seed and there Is now no condemnation?
So 3 things come to mind;
1. You are isolating, if we take other parts of the word into consideration we see this is a half baked doctrine;
Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
2. Are you saying we can literally sin with our physical bodies and somehow not be sinning spiritually? This makes no sense;
Mark 10:52, “And יהושע said to him, “Go, your belief has healed you.” And immediately he saw again and followed יהושע on the way.”
John 5:14, “Afterward יהושע found him in the Set-apart Place, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, so that no worse matter befalls you.”
Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"
1 John 3:4-10, "Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Everyone staying in Him does not sin. Everyone sinning has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one lead you astray. The one doing righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous. The one doing sin is of the devil, because the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of YHWH was manifested: to destroy the works of the devil. Everyone having been born of YHWH does not sin, because His seed stays in him, and he is powerless to sin, because he has been born of YHWH. In this the children of YHWH and the children of the devil are manifest: Everyone not doing righteousness is not of YHWH, neither the one not loving his brother.”
I think you are mixing up these with #3;
1 John 3:4-10, ….“His seed stays in him, and he is powerless to sin, because he has been born of YHWH”….
Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
3. As shown above, He puts His spirit on us and thus changes our heart. Has anyone been born of incorruptible seed while in the flesh? I see this as born incorruptible;
1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10
{Christians do not loose the ABILITY to sin. They loose the DESIRE to sin .}
Just some things to ponder...have a great day
Paul was already called by Jesus at this time and yet he still struggled with sin;
Romans 7:12-20, “So that the Torah truly is holy, and the command set-apart, and righteous, and good. Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But the sin, that sin might be manifest, was working death in me through what is good, so that sin through the command might become an exceedingly great sinner. For we know that the Torah is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin. For what I work, I know not. For what I wish, that I do not practise, but what I hate, that I do. But if I do what I do not wish, I agree with the Torah that it is good. And now, it is no longer I that work it, but the sin dwelling in me. For I know that in me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good. For to wish is present with me, but to work the good I do not find. For the good that I wish to do, I do not do; but the evil I do not wish to do, this I practise. And if I do that which I do not wish, it is no longer I who work it, but the sin dwelling in me."
This may be a bit long for some....but for others it may be a good study
These are just some things to ponder when one wants to rightly divide the word of truth.
Have a blessed day in your study.
WE, on this side of the cross of Christ, are living under the NEW testament for which He shed His blood
IT IS WRITTEN:
Gal 3:24-25Wherefore…. the LAW….. was our schoolmaster…. to bring us….. unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, We are NO LONGER …… under a schoolmaster
IT IS WRITTEN: Heb 10:1For the LAW having a shadow of good things to come, and NOT the very image
of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
IT IS WRITTEN: Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added BECAUSE of transgressions,…. TIL…… the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator (Christ is our mediator)
IT IS WRITTEN: Heb 10:1 For THE LAW having…. A SHADOW….. of good things to come, and…… NOT THE VERY IMAGE…… of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
IT IS WRITTEN: Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added BECAUSE of transgressions,…. TIL …..the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator {Christ is our mediator}
We can… LEARN… from the OLD Testament examples (1 Cor. 10:11) but sins were NOT remitted in the …OLD… testament. Sins were simply rolled over year after year (Hebrews 10:4)…It took… the blood of Christ …for sins to be remitted and He shed His blood for the NEW testament (Mark 14:21)
IT IS WRITTEN: Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,…. TILL…… the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a….. mediator. {Christ Jesus is our mediator.}
IT IS WRITTEN: We can LEARN from the OLD Testament examples (1 Cor. 10:11) but sins were NOT remitted in the OLD testament. Sins were simply rolled over year after year (Hebrews 10:4)…It took the blood of Christ for sins to be remitted and He shed His blood for the NEW testament (Mark 14:21)
The B IBLE says: Mark14:24 And He said unto them, This is my blood of the…NEW testament, which is shed for many.
We are living under the NEW testament now......IT IS WRITTEN: Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A NEW covenant, HE hath MADE THE FIRST OLD. Now that which decayeth and waxeth OLD is ready to VANISH AWAY........ Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the NEW testament, which is shed for MANY…Christ shed His blood for the NEW testament
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to…EVERYONE … that believeth.
It is written: Ephesians 2:15 Having ABOLISHED in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to…. the LAW……. BY…… the body of Christ
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW. Hebrews 8:6 But now hath He obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also He is the meditor of a….BETTER…covenant,…which was established up upon…BETTER promises. {We are under the…… BETTER….. covenant and….. BETTER…. promises…the Law of CHRIST}
Heb 9:15-17 And for this cause He is the mediator of the….. NEW….. testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the ……FIRST…… testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force…… AFTER ……men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to…..FULFIL. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, TIL ALL BE FULFILLED. (Jesus said from the cross “It is finished”…..John 19:30)
John 17:4-5/30 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have FINISHED the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee…. BEFORE …..THE WORLD WAS. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Ephesians 2:15 Having ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH the enmity, even the law of commanments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace
These are just some things to ponder when one wants to rightly divide the word of truth.
Have a blessed day in your study.
WE, on this side of the cross of Christ, are living under the NEW testament for which He shed His blood
IT IS WRITTEN:
Gal 3:24-25Wherefore…. the LAW….. was our schoolmaster…. to bring us….. unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, We are NO LONGER …… under a schoolmaster
IT IS WRITTEN: Heb 10:1For the LAW having a shadow of good things to come, and NOT the very image
of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
IT IS WRITTEN: Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added BECAUSE of transgressions,…. TIL…… the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator (Christ is our mediator)
IT IS WRITTEN: Heb 10:1 For THE LAW having…. A SHADOW….. of good things to come, and…… NOT THE VERY IMAGE…… of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
IT IS WRITTEN: Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added BECAUSE of transgressions,…. TIL …..the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator {Christ is our mediator}
We can… LEARN… from the OLD Testament examples (1 Cor. 10:11) but sins were NOT remitted in the …OLD… testament. Sins were simply rolled over year after year (Hebrews 10:4)…It took… the blood of Christ …for sins to be remitted and He shed His blood for the NEW testament (Mark 14:21)
IT IS WRITTEN: Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,…. TILL…… the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a….. mediator. {Christ Jesus is our mediator.}
IT IS WRITTEN: We can LEARN from the OLD Testament examples (1 Cor. 10:11) but sins were NOT remitted in the OLD testament. Sins were simply rolled over year after year (Hebrews 10:4)…It took the blood of Christ for sins to be remitted and He shed His blood for the NEW testament (Mark 14:21)
The B IBLE says: Mark14:24 And He said unto them, This is my blood of the…NEW testament, which is shed for many.
We are living under the NEW testament now......IT IS WRITTEN: Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A NEW covenant, HE hath MADE THE FIRST OLD. Now that which decayeth and waxeth OLD is ready to VANISH AWAY........ Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the NEW testament, which is shed for MANY…Christ shed His blood for the NEW testament
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to…EVERYONE … that believeth.
It is written: Ephesians 2:15 Having ABOLISHED in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to…. the LAW……. BY…… the body of Christ
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW. Hebrews 8:6 But now hath He obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also He is the meditor of a….BETTER…covenant,…which was established up upon…BETTER promises. {We are under the…… BETTER….. covenant and….. BETTER…. promises…the Law of CHRIST}
Heb 9:15-17 And for this cause He is the mediator of the….. NEW….. testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the ……FIRST…… testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force…… AFTER ……men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to…..FULFIL. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, TIL ALL BE FULFILLED. (Jesus said from the cross “It is finished”…..John 19:30)
John 17:4-5/30 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have FINISHED the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee…. BEFORE …..THE WORLD WAS. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Ephesians 2:15 Having ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH the enmity, even the law of commanments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace
Thank you for sharing this post, I see you enjoy His word! I don’t seem to disagree with you on every point but I want to use the Word in more completeness to show what I believe to be truth and it will be a multi post reply as you wrote a lot! 
Romans 6:14, "For sin shall not rule over you, for you are not under the law but under unmerited mercy. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy ? Let it not be!"
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
And the Messiah says;
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete
Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."
So the context of Hebrews 10 is animal sacrifice being a shadow of the true Passover Sacrifice;
Hebrews 10:1-39, "10:1, "For the Torah, having a shadow of the good matters to come, and not the image itself of the matters, was never able to make perfect those who draw near with the same sacrifice offerings which they offer continually year by year."10:2, "Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered? Because those who served, once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins."10:3, "But in those offerings is a reminder of sins year by year."10:4, "For it is impossible for blood of bulls and goats to take away sins."10:5, "Therefore, coming into the world, He says, “sacrifice and meal offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me."10:6, "“In ascending offerings and offerings for sin You did not delight."10:7, "“Then I said, ‘See, I come – in the roll of the book it has been written concerning Me – to do Your desire, O Yah.”
Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."
1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
Romans 6:14, "For sin shall not rule over you, for you are not under the law but under unmerited mercy. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy ? Let it not be!"
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
And the Messiah says;
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete
Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."
So the context of Hebrews 10 is animal sacrifice being a shadow of the true Passover Sacrifice;
Hebrews 10:1-39, "10:1, "For the Torah, having a shadow of the good matters to come, and not the image itself of the matters, was never able to make perfect those who draw near with the same sacrifice offerings which they offer continually year by year."10:2, "Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered? Because those who served, once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins."10:3, "But in those offerings is a reminder of sins year by year."10:4, "For it is impossible for blood of bulls and goats to take away sins."10:5, "Therefore, coming into the world, He says, “sacrifice and meal offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me."10:6, "“In ascending offerings and offerings for sin You did not delight."10:7, "“Then I said, ‘See, I come – in the roll of the book it has been written concerning Me – to do Your desire, O Yah.”
Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."
1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
1 Timothy 2:5, "For One is YHWH; and One Mediator between YHWH and men: the Man, Yahshua Messiah."
1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man[a] Christ Jesus."
Romans 8:34, "Who is he who is condemning? It is Messiah who died, and furthermore is also raised up, who is also at the right hand of YHWH, who also makes intercession for us."
Hebrews 7:23-28, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Yah through Him, ever living to make intercession for them. For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever.”
Paul grew up under the Levitical priesthood, which if you think about daily life, it would have been a huge part of life, especially since Paul was a ex-Pharisee, it would have been a huge life chage under Yahsua/Jesus the eternal High Priesthood; thus there was a tranformation as the Levitical laws were temporary placeholder for the eternal after the order od the MalakZadiq, a much much better way;
Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."
Strong's Concordance “changed” is word #3331 - metathesis: a change, removal, Original Word: μετάθεσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: metathesis, Phonetic Spelling: (met-ath'-es-is), Short Definition:change, transformation, removal, Definition: (a) change, transformation, (b) removal.
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.
Strong's Concordance “change” is word #3346 - metatithemi: I transfer, desert, change, Original Word: μετατίθημι, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: metatithemi, Phonetic Spelling: (met-at-ith'-ay-mee), Short Definition: I transfer, desert, change, Definition: (a) I transfer, mid: I go over to another party, desert, (b) I change.
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) 1a) to transfer 1b) to change 1c) to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred 1c1) to go or pass over 1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G3326 and G5087; to transfer, that is, (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:—carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.
The Perfect Priest!;
Hebrews 4:1-15, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest Who has ascended into the heavens: Yahshua the Son of YHWH, let us hold fast our profession. For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are--yet was without sin."
Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."
Hebrews 7:23-28, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Yah through Him, ever living to make intercession for them. For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever.”
In the New covenant Paul clearly states;
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"
Romans 10:3, "For not knowing the righteousness of Yah, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of Yah."
This is a much misunderstood passage, for it would be sticking up forthe pharisees who made their own law if misunderstood, it was exposing those who would not submit to Yah but again made theor own “way”
Mat 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them; And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
Romans 10:3-4, "For not knowing the righteousness of Yah, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of Yah. For Messiah is the goal of the ‘Torah unto righteousness’ to everyone who believes."
For not knowing the righteousness of Yah, and seeking to establish their own righteousness;
Mat 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them; And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
We can not earn Salvation by only obedience to the Law of the Creator, as James said and as Yahshua Himself said it takes faith and works. Romans 10:4 is a verses mistranslated in the majority of Bibles thus blurring the lines of truth. Christ is not “the end of the Law” but rather Yahshua showed the intent, ultimate result or goal (telos) of keeping the Law of YHWH.This is a much misunderstood passage, for it would be sticking up forthe pharisees who made their own law if misunderstood, it was exposing those who would not submit to Yah but again made theor own “way”
Mat 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them; And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
Romans 10:3-4, "For not knowing the righteousness of Yah, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of Yah. For Messiah is the goal of the ‘Torah unto righteousness’ to everyone who believes."
For not knowing the righteousness of Yah, and seeking to establish their own righteousness;
Mat 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them; And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
The word translated “end” is word#G5056, τέλος, telos, tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid):—+ continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
Lets look at places this word is used in the Konie Greek originals to get an idea of it meaning and context;
Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."
1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."
1 Peter 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith – the salvation of your souls."
If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away or at an end in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away or at an end in 1 Peter 1:9. Unless of course “telos” means the goal.
Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #G5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
James 5:11, “Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (telos) of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.”
James 5:11, “See, we call those blessed who endure. You have heard of the endurance of Iyoḇ and saw the purpose(telos) of יהוה, that He is very sympathetic and compassionate.”
1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end (telos) of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”
1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the goal (telos) of this command is love from a clean heart, from a good conscience and a sincere belief.”
Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
Romans 6:22, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end (telos) everlasting life.”
Romans 6:22, “But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of Yah, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the goal (telos); everlasting life.”
Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."
The word is used in the sense of the end result, the goal, the outcome, not in the sense of the obliteration of the Law…
1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”
1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of our instruction/command is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."
*goal is word #G5056 télos - Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)
HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
1 John 4:20, “"If someone says, "I loveYah," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot loveYah whom he has not seen."
Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
I want to point out that the words that are in italics* are ADDED, thus changing the meaning of the passage:
Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity,*that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "
Not only does the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words italicsthe meaning changes.
Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice; having killed the enmity through Himself."
Strong's Concordance, “enmity” is word #G2189 echthra: enmity, hostility, Original Word: ἔχθρα, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: echthra, Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-thrah), Short Definition: enmity, hostility, Definition: enmity, hostility, alienation.
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.
If we translate “enmity” as a reason for opposition as shown in the definition above, as enmity is not a commonly used or understood word in modern times and culture we get;
Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the reason for opposition Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to YHWH through the sacrifice, having killed the enmity through Himself."
(note verse 16 says what was actually abolished)
Also it is worth noting, how could the Messiah have abolished the Law when He Himself said;
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
Also if the Law is to be written on the heart of the believer, how could they have enmity/reason for oppisition to it?
Jeremiah 31:33, "After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."
It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in opposition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished in the hearts of those that follow Yahshua.
It does not say He killed the Law, it says He killed the enmity
Strong's Concordance, “enmity” is word #G2189 echthra: enmity, hostility, Original Word: ἔχθρα, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: echthra, Phonetic Spelling: (ekh'-thrah), Short Definition: enmity, hostility, Definition: enmity, hostility, alienation.Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.
Ephesians 2:16
New International Version
and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
English Standard Version
and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
Berean Study Bible
and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"
I agree it is much better than the levitical way, infinitely better.
If fulfill means abolish, then all righteousness would have also been abolished here;
Matthew 3:15, “But יהושע answering, said to him, “Permit it now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill righteousness.” Then he permitted Him.”
“fulfill” is word #G4137 πληρόω pleroo (plee-ro'-ō) v., 1. to fully, completely fill., 2. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow)., 3. (figuratively) to fully supply, satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.
[from G4134], KJV: accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply, Root(s): G4134
Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”
There are 2 "it is done" statements...
Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”
Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future
1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"
Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Ezekiel 48:35, “All around: eighteen thousand cubits. And the name of the city from that day is: יהוה is there!”
Wow so that was a lot! Also here are a few more verses I enjoy on the matter; praiseYah! be well!
2 Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know Yah, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah.”
1 Peter 4:17, "Because it is time for judgment to begin from the House of Yah. And if firstly from us, what is the end of those who do not obey the Good News of Yah?"
Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Colossians 2:6-7, “Therefore, as you accepted Messiah יהושע the Master, walk in Him, having been rooted and built up in Him, and established in the belief, as you were taught, overflowing in it with thanksgiving.”
Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."
1 John/Yahanan 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
Being in Him we can do His will;
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
2 Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know Yah, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah.”
1 Peter 4:17, "Because it is time for judgment to begin from the House of Yah. And if firstly from us, what is the end of those who do not obey the Good News of Yah?"
Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Colossians 2:6-7, “Therefore, as you accepted Messiah יהושע the Master, walk in Him, having been rooted and built up in Him, and established in the belief, as you were taught, overflowing in it with thanksgiving.”
Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."
1 John/Yahanan 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
Being in Him we can do His will;
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
May I ask what version of the scriptures are you using?
Thank you
Of course, ts 2009 for the majority but at times multiple translations are used
Sorry, The Scriptures 2009. But i want to say I don't see any translationsas perfect, original manuscripts are, but translations that match the intent of the original while staying as true as possible to the original language I prefer.
CJ Koster and this is the 2009 version
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