The true Origins of Haloween

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Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 7:8-11, “See, you are trusting in false words, which do not profit. In stealing, murdering, and committing adultery, and swearing falsely, and burning incense to Ba‛al, and walking after other mighty ones you have not known. And you came and stood before Me in this house which is called by My Name, and said, ‘We have been saved’, in order to do all these abominations! Has this house, which is called by My Name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Look, I, even I Myself have seen it,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proverbs 28:13, “He who hides his transgressions does not prosper, But he who confesses and forsakes them finds compassion.”[/FONT]
 
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it's all about 'conviction'; Jesus allows many of us to 'look back-heed', thus giving us
a 'bit' of His Reality, as concerning ourselves and our part in His plan for our future...

it's all about believing that He really does appoint, 'the called, chosen, elect"...
REJOICE BRETHREN!!! - don't let the 'world' rob you of your 'true calling'...

'For the Just shall live by Faith'...
 
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it's all about 'conviction'; Jesus allows many of us to 'look back-heed', thus giving us
a 'bit' of His Reality, as concerning ourselves and our part in His plan for our future...

it's all about believing that He really does appoint, 'the called, chosen, elect"...
REJOICE BRETHREN!!! - don't let the 'world' rob you of your 'true calling'...

'For the Just shall live by Faith'...
may Yah strengthen!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 9:62, "But [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the reign of YHWH.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by faith."[/FONT]
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:4, "Let it not be! But let YHWH be true, and every man a liar, as it has been written, “That You should be declared right in Your words, and prevail in Your judging.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 5:29, "And Kĕpha and the other emissaries answering, said, “We have to obey YHWH rather than men.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 51:4, “Against You, You alone, have I sinned, And done evil in Your eyes; That You might be proven right in Your words; Be clear when You judge.”[/FONT]​
 

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I will be honest and say as a child I looked forward to Halloween.. being poor it was a treat to get given things.. sure you had to look scary but there was a prize... obviously it was black bags and whatever you could do without funds.. sad really.. but I had no idea any evil was involved everyone was doing it.. I thought it was an American game so to speak.

Now.. I do not wish to dress up or allow my children to do those things.. the origins are not harmless fun.. it was satanic.. and I’m ashamed of my ignorance.. but now I can not partake and get frowned upon.. but my joy is not in the ways of the world by the Grace of GOD.
 

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Ephesians 5:11, “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.”

1 Corinthians 10:13, “No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. Yah is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.”
 

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I will be honest and say as a child I looked forward to Halloween.. being poor it was a treat to get given things.. sure you had to look scary but there was a prize... obviously it was black bags and whatever you could do without funds.. sad really.. but I had no idea any evil was involved everyone was doing it.. I thought it was an American game so to speak.

Now.. I do not wish to dress up or allow my children to do those things.. the origins are not harmless fun.. it was satanic.. and I’m ashamed of my ignorance.. but now I can not partake and get frowned upon.. but my joy is not in the ways of the world by the Grace of GOD.
I agree, and I also celebrated Halloween as a child. Now when I think about it, it promotesnothing good, dress up like something evil to get food that is bad for you... and look at every single thing that make it Halloween, it is all death and darkness. It turns my stomach and I have no clue how it doesn't turn everyones stomach...

Philippians 4:8, “"For the rest, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is righteous, whatever is clean, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good report, if there is any uprightness and if there is any praise – think on these.”
Proverbs 22:6, “Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.”
 

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I agree, and I also celebrated Halloween as a child. Now when I think about it, it promotesnothing good, dress up like something evil to get food that is bad for you... and look at every single thing that make it Halloween, it is all death and darkness. It turns my stomach and I have no clue how it doesn't turn everyones stomach...
Agreed! Christians will always be one step behind the world. When the world is participating in something, the Christian world will be right behind them putting their "Christian" twist on things to justify participation.
 

Hizikyah

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Agreed! Christians will always be one step behind the world. When the world is participating in something, the Christian world will be right behind them putting their "Christian" twist on things to justify participation.
A dangerous thing too, Yah says;

"Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods (elohim), saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship YHWH your Father in their way"

To me when I read this I find no excuse or room for mingling things not of YHWH with His worship. Yet I see Halloween decorations on every church in my area,it is painful to look at. When some look at this passage I hear people say, "I don't ' burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods', and while ancient Israyl did do that,

Can we not looka at the rest of the passage and learn?
"How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same"

Can we not learn from the example from times before?
1 Corinthians 10:11, “And all these came upon them as examples, and they were written as a warning to us, on whom the ends of the ages have come.”

And we are told to not just have an outward approach, but a spiritual approach, so if im looking at things spiritually, could "They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods" be seen as allowing out children to practice pagan customs that are of satan?

Deuteronomy 12:29-32, “When YHWH your Father cuts off the nations from in front of you, and you displace them and live in their land, Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods (elohim), saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship YHWH your Father in their way, for every abomination to YHWH, which He hates, they have done to their gods . They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods. Whatsoever I command you, be careful to observe and do it, you shall not add to it, nor take away from it.”

and bottom line, it has nothing to do with Messiah, we are told;

Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Titus 2:11-12, “For the saving Gift of YHWH has appeared to all men, instructing us to renounce wickedness and worldly lusts, and to live sensibly, righteously, and reverently in the present age.”[/FONT]
 

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A Dictionary of Non-Christian Religions, page 242, says:
Samhain, Samuin. Ancient Celtic feast, held at the end of October and beginning of November. In Ireland it was celebrated on the shores of lakes. Samhain marked the beginning of winter, as Beltane (q.v.) marked the onset of summer. Samhain meant summer end, and bonfires were lit to strengthen the powers of the waning sun. These are perpetuated in the bonfires of November 5, still popular in Britain. In the Christian calendar, Samhain was merged into All Saints Day on November 1.
November 5 has nothing to do with Halloween in Britain. It commemorates the attempted blowing up of Parliament by Guy Fawkes and his associates. Many cultures have some kind of celebration involving fires and fireworks in winter in places where the nights draw in and its dark and cold.
 

Hizikyah

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November 5 has nothing to do with Halloween in Britain. It commemorates the attempted blowing up of Parliament by Guy Fawkes and his associates. Many cultures have some kind of celebration involving fires and fireworks in winter in places where the nights draw in and its dark and cold.
From my studied it was originally celebrated for 7 days at a time, sometimes even as far as November 8th, I think keeping it according the Solstices and equinoxes and not the Roman calendar, but I don't know a ton about it just what I have read. In any case on any day it and it's predecessor should not be celebrated IMO.
 

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The Halloween Encyclopedia: Samhain



Surprisingly little is known of the actual rites and activities of Samhain, since the Celts kept oral rather than written histories; in fact, there is no indication that mainland European Celts celebrated the day at all, and it may have been a festival originally celebrated only by the Irish Celts. What is recorded about Samhain is found largely in the vernacular literature of the Celts, which was first recorded by monks and so is usually thought to be somewhat colored by Christian interpretation. For the Celts, Samhain (the celebration of which is mentioned in the Celtic mythology as lasting for THREE days before and three days after the actual day itself ) probably began with bringing the livestock in from the fields for the winter; the hardiest were kept as breeding stock, while the weakest were slaughtered, partly to provide provisions for the winter and partly because it was difficult to provide feed for animals in the winter months. This tradition of slaughtering livestock at Samhain time carried on in many parts of Britain; for example, until the 1930s most villages in the Wiltshire area had an official pig-killer who was always extremely busy at this season. The last of the HARVEST—BARLEY, APPLES, OATS, wheat,—was also brought in at this time (the Celts may have shared the later Irish belief that any crops left out after November 1 were rendered inedible by malicious spirits or FAIRIES). The rest of Samhain was devoted to a mix of political and religious activities. A great assembly of the five Irish provinces was held at Tara (or Teamhair, sometimes also called Druim Cain, the beautiful ridge; Liath Druim, the grey ridge; and Druim na Descan, the ridge at the outlook). Tara was the seat of the high kings of first the crude Firbolgs, then later the great Tuatha de Danaan; the Samhain festivities held there included HORSE races, markets, political discussion, feasting and drinking (some folklorists have stated that the Samhain assembly may have lasted over a fortnight, and was celebrated only every three years). In one Celtic myth the young hero FINN MacCUMAL, goes at Samhain time to the assembly and encounters a law that Samhain 170 Romantic nineteenth-century depiction of the type of ritual the Druids might have practiced on Samhain.states that no one there may raise a quarrel or bring a grudge against another as long as the gathering goes on. Samhain feasts were often held on the shores of lakes (bodies of WATER such as wells, lakes and rivers were held in great reverence by the Celts); for example,
THE DREAM OF ANGUS occurs on the shore of Loch Bel Dracon. On the evening of October 31 (since the Celts reckoned time by nights instead of days, their actual Samhain may have been the evening of October 31), all fires were extinguished, and then the DRUIDS, or priests, enacted a ritual in which a new fire was kindled on the hill of TLACHTGA (about 12 miles from Tara). Embers from this fire were distributed to each home (which paid a tax to the king in return) to start their own fires anew. Historical tradition has it that debts were paid on this day and duties honored (a tradition which was continued in the later celebration of MARTINMAS); any who refused to do so might be excommunicated (a fate which also awaited any who had dealings with those already excommunicated). Samhain’s most significant aspect, however, was probably not political but spiritual. The Druids would have performed sacrifices on this night, hoping to propitiate the gods into gifting their people with a mild winter; sacrifices may have included human offerings, perhaps even the infamous “wicker man” described by Roman historians— a large man-shaped figure made from wicker, in which sacrificial animals and people were caged and then burned (other accounts suggest that the Druids sacrificed black sheep on this night). The Celts, who often dug ritual pits, may have placed seed in such shafts or pits on Samhain, to ensure fertility come spring (when some of the seed was removed for sowing and replaced with a second offering). On this date the Dagda and the Morrigan (chief male and female deities) copulated to ensure crop and animal fertility for the coming year (one variant of this tale describes the Morrigan as having one foot on either side of a river). In some versions of this myth the goddess, an old hag by year’s end, is revitalized by the union, becoming young and beautiful again. As the border between two years, it was believed that Samhain was a night when the entrances to the Otherworld were open, and the spirits of the dead could roam free. The dead were commemorated (there were also similar activities at Lughnasad), and it was customary to put food out for spirits returning home. The dead, however, could also be malicious tricksters, like non-human supernatural entities, and so Samhain Eve was a night to stay indoors. The Celtic vision of the afterlife was largely benevolent: One description of Annwn (the Otherworld) was “Court of Intoxication,” since it was a place where heroes feasted and drank with beautiful women and sometimes fought; but it could also be fraught with danger, since mortals entering the realm of the Otherworld might come across horrific monsters, and were often condemned to stay, never aging, until they tried to return to their own land, where they died instantly. The Celts had a rich mythology, in which Samhain figured prominently. It first appeared when the Tuatha de Danaan (or the Celts’ gods and goddesses) took Ireland from the Firbolgs; the Tuatha de Danaan were then beset by the nightmarish Fomorians, maimed monsters who each had only one leg or one arm and were led by an evil giant and his mother. The Fomorians demanded a ritual tribute each Samhain of two-thirds of the Tuatha de Danaan’s CORN, milk, and children. The Tuatha de Danaan battled against the Fomorians, and although the monsters were largely defeated they still roamed the Irish countryside, spoiling corn, milk, fruit and fish. Finally one Samhain night the Morrigan and Angus Og drove the last of the creatures from Ireland, and the Fomorians returned to their kingdom from beyond the sea. Some Samhain myths center on legendary feats, such as Finn’s slaying of the murderous Aillen, or NERA leading an army 171 Samhaininto the Otherworld on a quest for a great crown; others involve meetings between mortal men and women of the sidhe (fairies). In this latter vein is the tale of Fingin Mac Luchta, who is visited by a BANSHEE (fairy woman) every Samhain who tells him all the precious things to be found in the royal strongholds of Ireland, as well as prophecies for the coming year. These meetings between mortal man and fairy woman are not always romantic, though: In the one story set at the CRUACHAN of Connaught, Cailte and Cascorach the Musician meet an old man who turns out to be Bairnech, steward to the King of Ireland. Bairnech tells them that every year at Samhain a woman comes out of the hill of the Sidhe of Cruachan and brings away NINE of the best cattle from every herd. Since it is Samhain night, Cascorach goes to the door and kills the banshee with his spear. Another Samhain story emphasizes the involvement of Druids with the holiday: On Samhain Eve Dathi, king of Ireland (from A.D. 405 to 428) was at Cnoc-nan-druad (“the Druids’ Hill,” now Mallaroe); he ordered his Druid to forecast the events of the coming year. The Druid went to the summit of the hill, spent the night there and returned at sunrise, only to address Dathi as King of Erin (Ireland) and Alban (Scotland). He thus correctly predicted Dathi’s conquering expedition to Alban, Britain and Gaul. Another tie between Druids and Samhain was the idea of fe-fiada, a spell that some believed the Druids cast on fairies torender them invisible throughout the year; only on Samhain was this spell lifted.One of the most frightening (and one of the oldest) Samhain stories is found in the Dinnsenchus in the Book of Leinster. It tells of how King Tigernmas (who ruled Ireland around 939 B.C.) and many of his people were destroyed by some mysterious force as they worshipped an idol (given as Cromm Cruach) on Samhain Eve; they may have been destroyed by vengeful Druids, who were angry that Tigernmas had turned away from them. When the Julian calendar was replaced by the Gregorian calendar in the mid-eighteenth century British Isles, it essentially created two Samhain celebrations, with November 11 henceforth being known as OÍCHE SHEAN SHAMHAIN, or “Old Samhain Eve,” and November 12 as Lá Shean Shamain, or “Old Samhain Day.” Most customs and beliefs regarding Samhain and Halloween transferred to the “new” October 31 or November 1, while in most areas November 11 came to be celebrated as Martinmas. Although Samhain was largely incorporated into the Christian holidays of ALL SAINTS’ DAY and ALL SOULS’ DAY, it has been celebrated from Celtic times under its original name in certain areas of Ireland. It is also celebrated as Samhain by some contemporary WICCA, NEO PAGAN and Neo-Druid groups.
 

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Samhain was known by the Continental Celts - the Coligny Calendar (a bronze calendar found in France in the town of Coligny) dating to the time ofthe Celtic Gauls (2[SUP]nd[/SUP] century AD) has the days for the Samhain celebrationmarked off as three.
 

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Samhain was known by the Continental Celts - the Coligny Calendar (a bronze calendar found in France in the town of Coligny) dating to the time ofthe Celtic Gauls (2[SUP]nd[/SUP] century AD) has the days for the Samhain celebrationmarked off as three.
Do you have sources for this information?
 
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may those of us who Love and Worship our Heavenly King,
desire to stay 'clean and in His will' at All Times...

being 'separate' is not an easy thing to learn at 'first', but with maturity,
it becomes easier and easier, as our Faith and Trust and Worship
continue to help us grow into the person that our Saviour savors...
 

Kavik

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Just google Coligny Calendar.

The entry TRINOX[tion] SAMO[nii] SINDIV "three-nights of Samonios today") on the 17th of Samonios suggests that, like the Irish festival of Samhain, it lasted for three nights. The phrase *trinoxtion Samonii is comparable to a Gaulish festival mentioned in a 1st-century AD Latin inscription from Limoges, France, which mentions a "10 night festival (*decamnoctiacon) of (Apollo) Grannus" ( POSTVMVS DV[M]NORIGIS F(ILIVS) VERG(OBRETVS) AQVAM MARTIAM DECAMNOCTIACIS GRANNI D[E] S[VA] P[ECVNIA] D[EDIT])[SUP][6][/SUP]
 

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It's also Reformation Day, the day that, 500 years ago, Martin Luther supposedly nailed up his 95 theses.
 

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Anybody get any really good candy last night?