The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?

[shadowPal07]

I wish there were more people who are as appreciative of the simple things in life as you are.

Thank you, stranger....it is NOT always "that easy".......but it sure beats living in the negative.
A POSITIVE attitude is a must in this world.
I am an eternal optimist and have been called a HAPPYcondriac......to which I plead GUILTY on both charges.

Have a blessed day and remember......

Phil. 4:8 Finally, brethren,
whatsoever things are true,
whatsoever things are honest,
whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure,
whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report;
if there be any virtue,
and
if there be any praise,
think on these things.

 

[Locutus]

Locutus,

1. How is it, that there was redemption/salvation for the people in Jerusalem when it was surrounded by the Roman armies?

They all died or were killed, or taken as slaves.

- something about fleeing when they saw that Jerusalem was being surrounded - many that did not flee died there. Ever heard of the flight to Pella?

2. Paul was a prisoner in Rome, he was dead, apparently he did not receive salvation/redemption when Jerusalem was destroyed, he wasn't there.

How did he receive salvation?

By not being in Jerusalem?....

What you are missing is that no one was saved until Christ returned to finish the transgression of the Jews and terminate the old covenant. This is spelled out in Hebrews as I posted earlier:

Heb 9:28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

His second return in the above was to deliver vengeance on those who spilled the blood of the prophets, to separate the goats from the sheep and bring salvation to his people. Matt 23:36, 25:33, Rev 18:20

Heb 10:37 For yet in a very little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay

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Who do you think "he who is coming" is? in a very little while.

Has he delayed his coming for 1900 years and counting? What kind of "a very little while" is 1900 years+ ??


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3.This thread is about the end of the world/planet.

When does life on this planet end? 70 ad?

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There is no end of the world as has been pointed out earlier, there is only an end of the age - the KJV mistranslates the question asked by the disciples:

(Mat 24:3 KJV) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matt 24:3 (NASB) As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Matt 24:3 (NKJV) As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Matt 24:3 (RSV) As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?"

Matt 24:3 (CSB) While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately and said, “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what is the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? ”

Matt 24:3 (HNV) As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the talmidim came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?"

Matt 24:3 (TR) Καθημένου δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τοῦ Ὄρους τῶν Ἐλαιῶν προσῆλθον αὐτῷ οἱ μαθηταὶ κατ᾽ ἰδίαν λέγοντες Εἰπὲ ἡμῖν πότε ταῦτα ἔσται καὶ τί τὸ σημεῖον τῆς σῆς παρουσίας καὶ τῆς συντελείας τοῦ αἰῶνος

αἰῶνος = age, not world

Building theology on a poor translation leads to fawlty theologies.

 

[garee]

If you insist on using the KJV - then you are stuck with a contradiction with what Paul said:

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Two things, one in respect to how the word generation or genes is used.... the generation of Adam as in natural man after the flesh, and the new creation the generation of Christ after the Spirit. The phrase will not pass away until not until the that generation that passes away is the generation of Adam. The other is the generation of Christ is eternal

1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

We will not get recondition bodies of flesh but completely new. And secondly the same applies to this world which is also corrupted and cries out birth pains to be made a new world. The final is the world without end spoken of in Ephesians. That world will end. This one does.

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

 

[Locutus]

Two things, one in respect to how the word generation or genes is used.... the generation of Adam as in natural man after the flesh, and the new creation the generation of Christ after the Spirit. The phrase will not pass away until not until the that generation that passes away is the generation of Adam. The other is the generation of Christ is eternal

1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

We will not get recondition bodies of flesh but completely new. And secondly the same applies to this world which is also corrupted and cries out birth pains to be made a new world. The final is the world without end spoken of in Ephesians. That world will end. This one does.

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

I can't make much sense out of this Garee - it seems to me that you are trying to redefine the Greek word genea as a generation of people (i.e. a race) rather than a 40-60 year generation in an attempt to explain away "this generation shall not pass" as not being the contemporary generation that Christ spoke to.

There is no end of the world - Paul states that the praise of Christ is in all the generation to come including the generation he lived and died in:

No mention of the end of the world in the above.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I can't make much sense out of this Garee - it seems to me that you are trying to redefine the Greek word genea as a generation of people (i.e. a race) rather than a 40-60 year generation in an attempt to explain away "this generation shall not pass" as not being the contemporary generation that Christ spoke to.

There is no end of the world - Paul states that the praise of Christ is in all the generation to come including the generation he lived and died in:

No mention of the end of the world in the above.

There is no end of the world . . . Then are we living in the new heavens and the new earth NOW?

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. . . . Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:10,13[SUB][SUP]
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[abcdef]

You're all over the place AB

Maybe.

Paul stated that they were looking for the coming salvation:

The escape from Jerusalem? The saving of the flesh?

Or eternal salvation? The eternal saving of the soul?

Rom 13:1 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

The dest of Jerusalem?

Or the eternal salvation?

If it was "nearer" when Paul wrote then salvation wasn't at Pentecost, unless you think the letter to the Romans was written before Pentecost.

His death and eternal salvation were closer than when he was younger.

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So every time the Bible talks about salvation, it is talking about the dest of Jeru. in 70 ad?

No eternal salvation?

Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

The "day is at hand" - what day do you suppose he was speaking of?

The day in which eternal salvation in the kingdom is available to us? The day of salvation?

The day of judgement on Jeru.? Day of the Lord against Jerusalem?

The day of eternal judgement, (yet to come, every knee shall bow).

The day of walking with God, the eternal day? In His presence?

The day of walking in the light of God's word? Children of the day.

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He does talk about fulfilling the Law starting in v 8, and how love fulfills the Law in v 10.

Then in v 11&12 he says that we should cast off the works of darkness, for the armor of light.

So it seems that the context shows that he was talking about casting off of the Law (darkness of not knowing God through the Law),

in favor of the new covenant that started on Pentecost, knowing God through the indwelling (gift Acts 2:38) of the Holy Spirit.

It doesn't really say which day it is, does it?

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

70 ad

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Acts 2:19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

I can't get into the symbolism now, but the sun is the Law, and the moon is the prophets, The day of the Lord is the dest of Jeru.

Peter here is saying the prophecy of Joel was coming true - and this echoes what Jesus said in Luke 21:25.

Explain to me how the prophecies of Joel in Acts 2:19-20 were fulfilled before or on the day of Pentecost.

Peter was explaining to the Israelites gathered for Pentecost that the apostles (only, all Galileans Acts 2:7), who were being heard as speaking different languages, were part of a sign from God.

He said that this event itself was a fulfillment of prophecy. v16

He quoted Joel and said that this prophecy would be fulfilled before the Day of the Lord v 20 (against Jerusalem, 70ad, implied).

Then he said in v 21 that you could be saved by calling on the name of the Lord.

In v 37 the Israelites asked Peter what should they do?

Peter answered in v 38.

When Peter answered, was the saving an eternal saving?

Or was the answer, repent and are baptized and you will be saved from the destruction of Jerusalem? That is, Peter's statement had nothing to do with eternal salvation.



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[abcdef]

Another thing to consider AB is the following:

Heb 9:28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

I don't know what Bible that you are using, but the words, "reference to", are not in mine. (KJV)

But anyway, Jesus did come at the dest of Jerusalem with clouds of armies.

But His coming at the dest was not a resurrection coming.

He appeared to many people after His resurrection, the apostles, on the road, Saul/Paul, and others.

So it's not the appearance, or "coming" of Jesus at the dest.,

It's the appearance of Jesus at the resurrection of the dead, which hasn't happened yet.

From the above it can be seen that salvation was not at Pentecost (this second appearing is to fulfill the type of the high priests sacrificial day of atonement offering).

Jesus said on the cross that, "it is finished", but now you say that it is not finished?

And we are told this "second time" was coming in a little while:

Heb 10:37 For yet in a very little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay.

A very little while is not 1900+ years later.

Pretty vague, maybe they ordered pizza with a ten minute guarantee, it doesn't say who is coming.

It may be that the apostles expected that Jesus would make the resurrection arrival soon after the times of the gentiles had begun.

 

[posthuman]

In v 37 the Israelites asked Peter what should they do?

Peter answered in v 38.

When Peter answered, was the saving an eternal saving?

Or was the answer, repent and are baptized and you will be saved from the destruction of Jerusalem? That is, Peter's statement had nothing to do with eternal salvation.

so they were only asking Peter 'how can we be temporarily spared from physical death for a couple years?'

not "how can we be saved?"



but Peter didn't say, 'repent and be baptized and you will be spared from a violent death for a decade or two, but of course later you'll still die, and as far as hope of redemption all i can say is well, keep at it'

Peter said repent and be baptized into the name of Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

what does that have to do with temporarily putting off physical death for a finite amount of time?

 

[abcdef]

so they were only asking Peter 'how can we be temporarily spared from physical death for a couple years?'

not "how can we be saved?"



but Peter didn't say, 'repent and be baptized and you will be spared from a violent death for a decade or two, but of course later you'll still die, and as far as hope of redemption all i can say is well, keep at it'

Peter said repent and be baptized into the name of Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

what does that have to do with temporarily putting off physical death for a finite amount of time?

Exactly my point,

Tell it to Locutus.

 

[abcdef]

There are many who agree, but not all, that the fire from heaven in Rev 20:9, is showing, at least an end to this world.

So the question would be,

What takes place just before the fire?

Towards the end, just before the fire?

Does it show Jerusalem restored?

These nations Magog, who are they?

The most important question,

Is this the situation in the Middle East now?

Are we living just before the fire and the 2nd resurrection?

I believe that we are.

 

[abcdef]

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There is no end of the world as has been pointed out earlier,

Gee, I must have missed that, would you mind refreshing me on that? No end to this planet? Where does it say that?

there is only an end of the age - the KJV mistranslates the question asked by the disciples:

(Mat 24:3 KJV) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matt 24:3 (NASB) As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Matt 24:3 (NKJV) As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Matt 24:3 (RSV) As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?"

Matt 24:3 (CSB) While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately and said, “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what is the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? ”

Matt 24:3 (HNV) As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the talmidim came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?"

Matt 24:3 (TR) Καθημένου δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τοῦ Ὄρους τῶν Ἐλαιῶν προσῆλθον αὐτῷ οἱ μαθηταὶ κατ᾽ ἰδίαν λέγοντες Εἰπὲ ἡμῖν πότε ταῦτα ἔσται καὶ τί τὸ σημεῖον τῆς σῆς παρουσίας καὶ τῆς συντελείας τοῦ αἰῶνος

αἰῶνος = age, not world

Again, I must remind you that I agree that Mt 24 is about the dest of Jeru..

I wasn't asking about the dest of the temple, but the dest of the planet and human life on it.

Building theology on a poor translation leads to fawlty theologies.

I agree that Matt 24 is about the dest of Jeru.

So by you calling my theology faulty on that, is calling your own faulty.

 

[Locutus]

Pretty vague, maybe they ordered pizza with a ten minute guarantee, it doesn't say who is coming.

It may be that the apostles expected that Jesus would make the resurrection arrival soon after the times of the gentiles had begun.

Of course it's vague when it doesn't support your theology AB - I see we are going round in circles unfortunately.

So who was supposed to come in a little while? Father Christmas?

So it's not the appearance, or "coming" of Jesus at the dest.,​

Here you are contradicting both Hebrews and Jesus I'll do this in King James Speak so thou willest not be confusethed

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.



A few verses later JC states:

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



This is pretty straight forward - are you suggesting that the "desolation" of Luke 21:20 is in the future?

If not then the 1st century AD was the time for the drawing near of their redemption.







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[Locutus]

so they were only asking Peter 'how can we be temporarily spared from physical death for a couple years?'

not "how can we be saved?"



but Peter didn't say, 'repent and be baptized and you will be spared from a violent death for a decade or two, but of course later you'll still die, and as far as hope of redemption all i can say is well, keep at it'

Peter said repent and be baptized into the name of Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

what does that have to do with temporarily putting off physical death for a finite amount of time?

I'm not following you here Bones at all at all. Your response needs some work, and it looks like you are speaking to AB while addressing points I've made.

Put some flesh on this - thanks...

 

[Tommy379]

I'm going to start a pool on the world ending.

 

[HeraldtheNews]

Proof?

Live a holy, sinless and obedient life, walk in the Spirit, in peace and love.

That is how you will prepare for anything in the future. For a death in a car accident tomorrow or for the coming of Christ 50 years later.

That's a great message-- I used to get caught up in the end times message, and it is a vital message, especially today. This is a personal calling, but, also one for all of us as Christians. But, it is not the main message of being a Christian, which trofimus described here. I was invited to a Christian meeting where they taught that the main message we should be delivering as Christians in any ministry, is the Gospel first. Knowing Jesus, and walking in the free-gift of salvation faithfully to the end-- honoring our sacred commitment to the New Covenant, and to the LORD who established it.

Obsessive doubting can come from a lot of reasons, personal trauma's, or even the fallen resisting of the Light that we all can face at times. But, it's not a battle we can win on our own.
Spiritual freedom ministries teach that we have to know our true identity in Christ and the Christian family first, and other sources of identity related to the world-- and some people go the distance which the LORD does call us to, and separate from the world. But, not at the expense of stewardships that we have already committed to, that would leave people suffering.

But, they emphasize that the battle is not for justification-- the one that only someone who is both divine and human could bridge--JESUS, the Son of God. Consider surrendering that one today. That's why an angel could not have saved humanity--they are spiritual beings. Or just a human being alone.
The Blood of Christ is the real presence of Who Jesus is and what He accomplished, and only He could have accomplished. That's why it is so important. We can not participate in our own justification (becoming spiritually cleansed/whole/born-again spiritually/receiving God's favor). But, we can participate, and are commanded to participate in our sanctification, or becoming more like Jesus--
the daily battle is for the second one, and that one also can only be won by God's Grace (spiritual help).

But, the return of Christ is always near-- a heartbeat away!
"one day is as a thousand years to the LORD," Peter said. Quoting the OLD Testament

But, based on what has been personally revealed, and confirmed daily in the lives of many Christians called to be witnesses of the Return of Christ, this is to be seen as near, and motivation to get our lives together, and warn others.

The other day, I heard in the Spirit-- "stand your ground!," which is a battle command.
and also, "battle stations!"
As Christians, we are not on a pleasure cruise.

--Herald

 

[Locutus]

I'm going to start a pool on the world ending.

You mean dis one?:

(Eccl 1:4 KJV) One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

 

[abcdef]

I'm going to start a pool on the world ending.

Put me down for 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

I'll bet everything.

 

[abcdef]

You mean dis one?:

(Eccl 1:4 KJV) One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

When is this scripture fulfilled?

Before or after 70 ad?

 

[abcdef]

You mean dis one?:

(Eccl 1:4 KJV) One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

If the earth abideth for ever,

How do you teach that heaven and earth passed away at the dest of Jeru.? If the earth abideth forever?

How can heaven and earth fly away in Rev 20:11? If the earth abideth forever?

What earth is it, that abideth forever?

 

[abcdef]

You want to know, what to look for, events surrounding the end of the planet?

I will tell you plainly,

When Iran and it's allies, meet Israel in the valley of Armageddon, Israel will lose and Jerusalem will fall.

It will terrible, bitter, genocide. (They won't need nuks, they will be out numbered by the 200 mil army.)

It seems that Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth. The Israelites will never have control over Jerusalem on this planet again.

That is, if the planet were allowed to continue, the Israelites would be absorbed into the gentile nations and disappear as a genetically distinct race (Jacob).

These prophecies are meant to be understood BEFORE they happen, as they will not be able to lead anyone to salvation/kingdom after they happen.,, the planet will have been destroyed.

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You may say that He will not do it, but He already did it once with water. 2 Pet 3:7.

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Christians are meant to see His approaching coming to take possession of the kingdom at the 2nd resurrection coming Rev 20:9.

He told us exactly what was to happen in the Revelation, Yes?

Just before the fire from heaven? Jerusalem is surrounded, then the fire.

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Maybe you want me to set a date or an hour, like on the calendar, it can't be done like that.

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Where ever you think that the last scene pictured on this earth is, Rev 20:9-10, look at the events that take place just before that.

Maybe you think that the 7th trumpet is the end. Look at the things that happen just before the 7th trumpet.

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Look, you might not believe me now, about how these prophecies will unfold,

But these things will happen, in front of us, before our eyes, these prophecies will come true.

You want confirmation? Proof?

How long before Iran attacks Israel?

It is coming, it might be months or years, I don't know, but there is still, .... some,..... time.