The burden of the Lord

[phil36]

God's word is my gospel.
It led me to be a disciple of Jesus.

It takes discipline to resist temptation.
And there are a lot of spirits here tempting us to be free of the word.

Excuse me if I decline
Paul

I certainly don't think many will take notice of your gospel. I mean you believe Jesus leads you to Moses (when in fact Moses points to Jesus), you believe the Gospel is the law, when in fact the Nt teaches contrary.. Jesus Christ is the Gospel.

So you mishandle scripture wrongly, and not only believe it, you teach it heres what you say:

But there maybe someone in the congregation here willing to receive tuition on God's words.

Your gospel is not God's gospel, it is not the Gospel of Scripture and it is not based on Jesus and His work. In other words your a wolf in sheep clothing!

Your very dangerous indeed!

 

[comingfrom]

First you say this:



But then you say this:

Clearly you contradict yourself.

There is no "maybe" about it

I am open to reproof.

If you want to teach me a commandment I am not keeping.

I will take up your bolded bits, since I presume they are what you wanted me to see.

5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

Some of the Pharisees here wanted to cut bits off little boys.
You know that.

The circumcision of the Lord is what is necessary to keep the law of Moses.
When Jesus takes away the foreskins off our hearts,
then the Father's words can be seen and understood more clearly.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed,
to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul,
that thou mayest live.
Deuteronomy 30:6

Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

I made this thread to show what little burden the Lord has put upon us.

I opened with how I believed just like you,
and I took you through how He showed me, it's a piece of cake. Unleavened, but a cake.
It's a walk in the park. Because that's what Jesus commands us. Walk in the light.
And it's a Sunday picnic, because if we walk for Jesus, making it a holy sabbath, He comes and feeds us.

So walk, don't work, and eat what the Lord gives.

I don't call that a burden.

It's a lot better than having to go to some Church on Sundays,
and then getting roasted by your friends for mistakenly saying to do some law of God or something,
and not having the breastplate of judgment for armour to protect you.
That's a burden, and it hurts.

Listen to them around us.
We must keep their gospel.
We mustn't do God's words.
We mustn't preach the oil Jesus gave us.
We must have faith only.

I tell you, that is not what Jesus' yoke is like.
The law is a delight. It is pleasurable, exciting even.
You get to learn all about the kingdom.
You get to spend lots of time with Jesus.
You get given an Holy Ghost.

While they are telling me to have faith, I am roaming the new land Jesus opened to me.
The faithsayers don't even know what they are missing.
Paul

 

[Studyman]

hooray, not picking and choosing and leaving things out!

wait - then why did you cut off this quote so abruptly?
which things did Paul continually say, things that Moses and the prophets declared should come? you left out the most important part! the part where Paul states clearly what message he proclaimed, for which he faced death at the hands of the rulers of the Law!

was his message the Law?

nope:

To this very day, I have obtained help that comes from God, and I stand and testify to both small and great, saying nothing else than what the prophets and Moses said would take place — that the Messiah must suffer, and that as the first to rise from the dead, He would proclaim light to our people and to the Gentiles.​

not the Law - the Messiah!!

what's a "Messiah" ?
why did a Messiah have to come? have to suffer? have to rise from the dead? have to become light to all man, not just those who had been given the Law?
what do the answers to those questions say about us, about the Law, the purpose of it and our own purpose, and about reconciliation with God, how to be justified in His sight?

Why did Jesus suffer? Because the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers were striving to serve God like Zacharias? Or because the Mainstream Preachers had created their own doctrine and Jesus exposed it as coming from man and not from God.

Did Paul make up his own doctrine, or did he preach from the Law and the Prophets?

What does it say about a people who would choose the Traditions and Doctrines of men over the righteousness of God to the point of killing anyone who would expose their preaching as false.

You are doing the same thing you accuse me of. Posting one sentence of many that I wrote so as to twist the meaning of my post. Why would you do such a thing?

 

[phil36]

I am open to reproof.

If you want to teach me a commandment I am not keeping.

/QUOTE]


Hi Comingfrom,

That is your problem right there... Boasting in your law keeping..


Romans 3:27ff

[FONT=&quot]Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.[/FONT]


Christians only boast in Christs work on their behalf, God glorifies Himself in our weakness that is our boast:

1 Corinthians 1:31

[FONT=&quot]Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot].”



You boast in yourself comingfrom. As I said a wolf in sheep clothing.[/FONT]

 

[Studyman]

hooray, not picking and choosing and leaving things out!

wait - then why did you cut off this quote so abruptly?
which things did Paul continually say, things that Moses and the prophets declared should come? you left out the most important part! the part where Paul states clearly what message he proclaimed, for which he faced death at the hands of the rulers of the Law!

was his message the Law?

nope:

To this very day, I have obtained help that comes from God, and I stand and testify to both small and great, saying nothing else than what the prophets and Moses said would take place — that the Messiah must suffer, and that as the first to rise from the dead, He would proclaim light to our people and to the Gentiles.​

not the Law - the Messiah!!

what's a "Messiah" ?
why did a Messiah have to come? have to suffer? have to rise from the dead? have to become light to all man, not just those who had been given the Law?
what do the answers to those questions say about us, about the Law, the purpose of it and our own purpose, and about reconciliation with God, how to be justified in His sight?

19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus,

and at Jerusalem,

and throughout all the coasts of Judaea,

and then to the Gentiles, that they(ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.


Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


Isn't this part necessary FIRST in your preaching as it was in Christ's and Paul's? And what would you repent from and to?

Are we to repent from a Gentile who transgresses the Commandments of God by our own doctrines and Traditions, to a Gentile who Transgresses different Commandments by different Doctrines of men, by our own traditions, except this time in the name of Jesus?

And what are "Works worthy of repentance" that Paul taught? Man made traditions, man made doctrines, or the same works our Savior Jesus walked in that we are instructed to "Walk in" as well.

 

[comingfrom]

Hi Megenta,

Paul also said:

1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (ALL) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.


21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.



22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:



So I'm not one to just pick and choose a scripture to support one religious doctrine or another, then ignore the rest as some do.





Not saying you do this. But these scriptures seem to directly contradict Paul's own words that you quote. Yes?



Since I am convinced Jesus was wise when He said we are to live by EVERY Word of God,


So I set about to understand, rather than just pick one or the other statements of Paul to believe. What I found is that Paul understands the Levitical Priesthood and their sacrificial, ceremonial "words and Deeds of the Law" that were specifically administered for the remission of sins. The Mainstream Preachers of his time did not believe in Jesus, so they continued pushing their doctrines and traditions which included the observance of these "Works of the Law" for the cleansing of sins. These Mainstream Preachers plagued the apostles in acts, and were still "Bewitching" the Galatians as well.

Gal. 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?




2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, (written "Works" for the remission of sins)or by the hearing of faith?(Repentance and bringing Works worthy of repentance)



He is speaking to the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works" that were "ADDED" Till the Seed should come. When you understand this, then you understand that Paul isn't contradictory at all.


"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."


This is truth to be sure. But everyone exhibits faith of some sort. The question I ask myself is: Do I have faith in God and His Son, or do I exhibit Faith in church traditions and man made doctrines.







That is the battle Jesus and Paul engaged in almost every day they taught, is it not?

Studyman, I thank you for your offering.

I would just like to add something.
You helped me see something in a new way, and this was the way I saw it.
St Paul is often saying Law of Spirit, and law of sin and death which is of the flesh.

I presumed the law of sin and death was what I/we followed before we converted,
and before we were given the holy commandments of the Spirit of God (which we are told came by Moses).

But Christians introduced me to a third law. The law of faith.
(I wasn't raised in a Church, so this was news to me.)
I believed our faith is supposed to be in Jesus and in God,
so to me, the law of faith was another reference to the law of Moses.
We're supposed to have faith in God's words, are we not?
But Christians are saying this law of faith comes after the "schoolmaster law",
which they are now calling an unbearable burden, and sin and death,
and actually heap on more negative names than I care to mention.
I'm like, hang on, it leads you to Jesus, and then you have to dump it?
The more you ask them about it, the weirder answer they start to give,
and what their law of faith says isn't clear at all.
And this law of faith is what they abide in.
Far as I can tell, it has only two commandments.
But it varies according to the individual's faith.
The first commandment they all seem to agree on.
It is, Don't do God's law.
The second goes something like Faith only, or Love only, or Faith and grace.
Seems like it is a, just take you pick, arrangement.
As long as mention faith, and Jesus' death, and disparage the law in your preach,
you will be accepted.

This law of their faith gives them full permission to wade through the flocks of God's people,
cutting and slashing as they will.
These are the beasts of the field that God speaks about in the law.

I wasn't even thinking about Pharisees and their silly Tulmud and Rabbinical scriptures,
and of course you are right.
We still see formalized carnal application of the law in places like Catholic and Anglican churches.
The Eucharist being the obvious example.

You know all this confusion over whether to keep the law or not is deliberate.
God is testing us, to see who loves Him, and who loves Him not.

Even so, bless God
Paul

 

[Studyman]

I am open to reproof.

If you want to teach me a commandment I am not keeping.

/QUOTE]


Hi Comingfrom,

That is your problem right there... Boasting in your law keeping..


Romans 3:27ff

Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.


Christians only boast in Christs work on their behalf, God glorifies Himself in our weakness that is our boast:

1 Corinthians 1:31

Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the Lord.”



You boast in yourself comingfrom. As I said a wolf in sheep clothing.

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

So this means Jesus created God's Commandments, including God's Sabbaths that He said was created for man. Since Jesus became a man, this means He created the Sabbath for Himself as well as us. Which sheds new light on His Proclamation: "The Sabbath is Made for man, not man for the Sabbath". The Jesus of the Bible is Truly the Lord of God's Sabbath.

So then if I "Walk even as He Walked", as scripture instructs, and obey His Biblical Sabbath that He created for me, as He did, that means I am not doing my works, but His. If I boast in Jesus, that means I boast in His Works not my traditions. Yes?

So you boast because you preach your Jesus freed you from God's Commandments that He created for Himself, and for you.

If I boast it will be because Jesus has show me my works are evil and His Works are perfect.

Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the Lord.”

Matt. 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Blessed by the Name of the Jesus of the Bible.

 

[Studyman]

Studyman, I thank you for your offering.

I would just like to add something.
You helped me see something in a new way, and this was the way I saw it.
St Paul is often saying Law of Spirit, and law of sin and death which is of the flesh.

I presumed the law of sin and death was what I/we followed before we converted,
and before we were given the holy commandments of the Spirit of God (which we are told came by Moses).

But Christians introduced me to a third law. The law of faith.
(I wasn't raised in a Church, so this was news to me.)
I believed our faith is supposed to be in Jesus and in God,
so to me, the law of faith was another reference to the law of Moses.
We're supposed to have faith in God's words, are we not?
But Christians are saying this law of faith comes after the "schoolmaster law",
which they are now calling an unbearable burden, and sin and death,
and actually heap on more negative names than I care to mention.
I'm like, hang on, it leads you to Jesus, and then you have to dump it?
The more you ask them about it, the weirder answer they start to give,
and what their law of faith says isn't clear at all.
And this law of faith is what they abide in.
Far as I can tell, it has only two commandments.
But it varies according to the individual's faith.
The first commandment they all seem to agree on.
It is, Don't do God's law.
The second goes something like Faith only, or Love only, or Faith and grace.
Seems like it is a, just take you pick, arrangement.
As long as mention faith, and Jesus' death, and disparage the law in your preach,
you will be accepted.

This law of their faith gives them full permission to wade through the flocks of God's people,
cutting and slashing as they will.
These are the beasts of the field that God speaks about in the law.

I wasn't even thinking about Pharisees and their silly Tulmud and Rabbinical scriptures,
and of course you are right.
We still see formalized carnal application of the law in places like Catholic and Anglican churches.
The Eucharist being the obvious example.

You know all this confusion over whether to keep the law or not is deliberate.
God is testing us, to see who loves Him, and who loves Him not.

Even so, bless God
Paul

Thank you for the nice Words.

This battle has been going on since the Serpent used God's Words to deceive Eve into disobeying God, not all of them mind you, that doesn't work..

There is a theme that is present throughout the Bible.

Jesus was killed by the only God of Abraham preaching people on the planet. Stephen was as well. It was the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of Paul's time hounded him and "bewitched" the Galatians into believing their BIBLICAL teaching that one can not be "saved" until the are commanded to keep the "Law of Moses" which included the prescribed Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for the remission of sins.

This same tradition soaked religion( or as Jesus called it, "Teaching for doctrine the Commandments of men) also killed the Prophets all the way back to Kings. And before that Caleb and Joshua were nearly stoned to death by their "Fellow believers" for simply exhibiting the Faith of Abraham. This theme goes all the way back to Abel, who was murdered by his "Christian" brother Cain.

We are warned of this very same thing by Jesus.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Notice He didn't warn about Islam, or atheist's or heathens. He warned about "Christians".

This is very uncomfortable to discuss and "MANY" just blow it off.

You stick to God's instruction as Peter says and God will continue to bless you with the Spirit of his Truth as Peter promised he would.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

You know all this confusion over whether to keep the law or not is deliberate.
God is testing us, to see who loves Him, and who loves Him not.

I agree 100%. Look at the story of the tower of Babel for an understanding of how there can be so many different doctrines all claiming to lead to heaven.

You have a great day Comingfrom.

 

[comingfrom]

"mean and wicked" ?
pretty sure that's the wrong conclusion - because any conclusion you come to that makes God evil - which is what that conclusion does - is wrong.
so there must be a different conclusion, which is perfect - because His ways are perfect, so the truth of the matter is perfect.

the Law is good; it is perfect

Up to here you were going good.

I wasn't saying it was mean and wicked, just in case someone thinks that.
It is just that there a lot saying it is sin and death, and curse to them that try to keep it,
and it's old, and it's unkeepable, it a heavy yoke, carnal, ceremonial, shadowy, finished.
All these words in my ears was convincing me the law must be mean and wicked,
if God's people are saying that, and have to drop it.

Of course, it is nothing like what they say.
They don't even know it.
It is a just and righteous law.
And those that do do it right are just and righteous.

- and notwithstanding that, He has set us free from condemnation, even while we cannot keep it perfectly. the purpose of the Law, then, is not to perfect us by our striving to keep it: that leaves us condemned by failing, and begins with us standing condemned because we must strive to keep it: it reveals that our nature is opposed to it. and this is neither wicked nor mean; that is an impossible assessment, because God is holy.

If it condemns me, then I am transgressing it in some manner, and I will repent.
That is, I will return to the scriptures, and I will return to prayer,
until the Lord makes it known to me how I am displeasing Him.

I will not stop until He makes it known to me.

no,




the rest of the Bible - and the Law itself - is all about Christ. every page. the entire Bible reveals Christ - the Law reveals Christ. the Bible isn't about the Law; the Bible is about Salvation, who is a person, who is God Himself: Yeshua Hamashiach, Jesus Christ, The Righteous One.

I think you are forgetting something.
The word is Jesus.
It isn't just about Him. It is Him.

I know, it's a hard one.
Because how can Jesus be God, and be God's word, and be a man, and be the Spirit?
He is also the bread that comes down from heaven, the Son of man, and Lord.
He is the way, the truth and the life.
He is the light which is the life of men.
The law is the light too.
So Jesus is the law too, naturally, because the law is part of the word.
He is meat indeed, and drink indeed.
He the vine, and He the branch.
How can Jesus be so many different things?
I am sure I haven't listed all things Jesus is yet.

This is what we need faith for, isn't it?
To believe what the word of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, says.

this is the purpose of the Law: to bring us to Him. the very fact that a Law must be given shows that we need redemption, and look! a Lamb stands, as though slain, but who yet lives!

Jesus comes to me, but I do have make the sabbath holy.

That is, by doing as commanded in the law, then Jesus appears.
If it is polluted in any way, He doesn't come.
I don't see a man when He comes, but He comes as Spirit.
After He gives me meat, it is lesson time, and we discuss the law.
And things like what I posted on the forum today.
We wouldn't be talking about that, but He sometimes points out, when I should have handled something better,
or if I said a wrong thing.

Now I have testified, can you testify to me.
How come the purpose of the law is not to keep it like God says to?
Which commandments of the law did you have to fulfill to get Jesus to come?
And was it Jesus that told you, that you done enough law now?
What do you do now to get Him to come?
Or has He stuck around since the first time the law led you to Him?

I mean, you have to understand my skepticism.
Just look how many are claiming to have Jesus, but are following their own faith.
And they all have faith that we do not need to bother with what God says anymore.

That's not what Jesus said when He came to me
Paul

 

[Depleted]

The Bible is pretty intimidating, when you first come to it.

At first I was inclined to agree with those Christians who say God doesn't expect us to keep it,
and it doesn't really need to be done like He says in there.

But Jesus came, and He was encouraging me on, and He keeps saying to do it, doesn't He.
You know how it is, numerous attempts from the start of Genesis. False starts.
Occasional tentative glances at Leviticus and Deuteronomy and Numbers, and thinking, what the...?
And, How am I ever going to make head or tails of all this?

How about. ask the Christians. You would think, they will know.
But they are no help.
They don't even keep it themselves.
Nope, I even asked their priests and pastors, and their answer is always, don't need to bother with it.
Ended. Finished. Sin and Death. Curse. Old Covenant. Nailed to the cross. Faith. Saved by Grace. Jesus died for you.
Yeah yeah, I heard all that before.
But that doesn't help me to understand the law.

I mean. Even if didn't need to be kept, I still wanted to understand it.
I wanted to know what all the fuss is about.
How can such a wonderful God have such a wicked mean law, that it had to end?
Is it so wicked and mean, as men make out?

Then, while I was still wrestling with all this, by some twist of fate,
I had the fortune, or some might say misfortune, of having to visit a lawyer.
It wasn't for me, but my friend had some legal matter, and I was tagging along.
While they were discussing and going over papers I just sat there in the office patiently waiting,
looking around. Looking at all the walls were bookshelves stacked with big black volumes,
from floor to ceiling, covering wall after wall.
And as I looked, I read the titles on the binders and it slowly dawned on me,
wow, all that is the law of the land.
All those huge volumes, which looked like would take a lifetime to read,
and I imagined how boring that would be, were the laws of Australia.
I suddenly had compassion for the man.
He had to study all that to become a lawyer.
Of course, he keeps a copy of it all, for no man could possibly remember all that.
Yet we are all expected to keep it.

Then I thought about the first five books in the Bible, which contains God's laws for us.
Just five books.
Five really slim books.
And the commandments really only start half way through Exodus, the second book,
and all of Leviticus and Deuteronomy,
and really not much more commandments in Numbers (but there are some).
So really, only half of those five slims books is law.
We are down to 2 and half slim books.

You say, What about the rest of the Bible? It's huge.
Yes, and it is all help with how to keep the law.
That is what all the rest of the Bible is.
The prophets and Jesus and the Apostles explaining the commandments, and how to keep them.
By word and by example.

So, the burden of the lord.
We have two and half slim books to understand and do, and our whole lifetime to do it in.
And lots and lots of help from all the mighty men in Israel.
And Jesus comes to help too.

Compared to the law of men in the country you now reside in,
God's law is piece of cake.
It's a walk in the park.
It's a Sunday picnic.
Literally.

Bless God
Paul

You think the Bible is all about the law? Boy! Not good!

And you think you can do it perfectly? Who are you?

 

[Depleted]

the Jews in that time called the law " the yoke of bondage ". look it up.

for someone who choose the screenname studyman, you do not seem to do much studying........

Jack! You're back!

You really stink at hiding who you are.

 

[comingfrom]

I certainly don't think many will take notice of your gospel.

You are too slow.
I've already known it for years, because God tells us in the law.

And ye shall be left few in number,
whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude;
because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 28:62

I mean you believe Jesus leads you to Moses (when in fact Moses points to Jesus), you believe the Gospel is the law, when in fact the Nt teaches contrary.. Jesus Christ is the Gospel.

He is God's word. (John 1:1)

You seem as surprised as I was,
when I first realized that was Jesus giving the law to Moses.

And yet it is obvious.
Jesus is the Lord, isn't He?

And, said before, but I'll say it again,
I've show you Malachi 4:4 and John 5:46-47, for my reasons why I said what I said,
but you haven't explained to me your interpretation of those scriptures yet.
So I still know why you are accusing me of that.

Maybe if I show you another.
But I do not doubt you will have a reason to reject it also.

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Luke 16:31

So you mishandle scripture wrongly, and not only believe it, you teach it heres what you say:

But there maybe someone in the congregation here willing to receive tuition on God's words.

That isn't even a scripture.
I am merely stating a hope.

So how am I mishandling scripture there, when I am not even handling a scripture?

I am willing to consider your reproofs,
but there has to be substance worth considering.

Your gospel is not God's gospel, it is not the Gospel of Scripture and it is not based on Jesus and His work. In other words your a wolf in sheep clothing!

Well, that is a judgment.
And they are just empty accusations.

Not counting responses to people, my first post was a personal testimony,
of a revelation which the Lord imputed onto me.
The second post contained some meat.

If I am wrong, you should be able to pick it apart and show why it is wrong.
Specially since you have such a clear eye to see my error.
I don't mind even if you do it before the congregation.
It would shame me to correction.

Your very dangerous indeed!

Come forth, and show me how.

You stand at the back of the crowd and stone me.
And you say I am doing so many things wrong.

I'm not stopping you from stepping up and teaching, am I?
And I'm not going to your thread, and barking and howling at you.

I offer the oil the Lord gave me, and if people don't like it,
they can just as easily close this page.

Plenty of anti-law threads here you can go glory in.
Paul

 

[Magenta]

So I'm not one to just pick and choose a scripture to support one religious doctrine or another, then ignore the rest as some do.

That is exactly what you do.

 

[NayborBear]

Jack! You're back!

You really stink at hiding who you are.

That name, rings a bell! Been a long long time though...lol Although, I'm fairly certain, there is more then 1 of them floating about....

 

[comingfrom]

I am open to reproof.

If you want to teach me a commandment I am not keeping.

Hi Comingfrom,

That is your problem right there... Boasting in your law keeping..


Romans 3:27ff

Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.


Christians only boast in Christs work on their behalf, God glorifies Himself in our weakness that is our boast:

1 Corinthians 1:31

Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the Lord.”



You boast in yourself comingfrom. As I said a wolf in sheep clothing.

Yeah yeah. More of the same.

Teach a commandment. Teach something Jesus says.
That would be more productive that accusing them who do teach for Jesus, wouldn't it?

Somebody already asked me if I think I keep all the commandments,
and I said, to the best of my ability.
Which also is to the best of my knowledge.

You don't think my ability and knowledge are that good.
I think I can live with that.
Like you and I agreed, not many will bear what I have to say.

My post was about washing, as spoken of in Revelation and Leviticus.
All I know from you is, it is wrong, and I mishandled scripture, and therefore I am a dangerous wolf.

But I think you are not handling scripture very well.
You haven't spoken to what I offered, to show what part of it is wrong, or how it is wrong.
You haven't even given your testimony of when Jesus washed you,
to show how it was different to what I said.

So again I say to you, come forth.
Show us your salt.
Paul

 

[gb9]

Show me the scripture where Jesus or any other righteous example in the Bible ever preached that God's Laws were a "Yoke of Bondage".

Galatians 5.

 

[comingfrom]

Hi Lynn.

You think the Bible is all about the law? Boy! Not good!

What you going to do about it?

And you think you can do it perfectly? Who are you?

Still man, and still a gentleman.

Bless the Lord
Paul

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”


1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."


Psalm 19:7-11, “The Torah of יהוה is perfect, bringing back the being; The witness of יהוה is trustworthy, making wise the simple; The orders of יהוה are straight, rejoicing the heart; The command of יהוה is clear, enlightening the eyes; The fear of יהוה is clean, standing forever; The right-rulings of יהוה are true, They are righteous altogether, More desirable than gold, Than much fine gold; And sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. Also, Your servant is warned by them, In guarding them there is great reward.”

 

[Studyman]

Galatians 5.

Gal. 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

So Paul is talking to the Gentiles Galatians yes?

So you preach to everyone that listens that these Gentile Galatians were keeping the Commandments of God before and until Paul converted them. Now, after they have repented, they are free from God's Commandments and are not to be "Entangled Again" in those burdensome Yoke of God's Holy, Just, Good, Laws they obeyed before they knew Christ.

And lets not forget that the Mainstream Preachers of that time (The circumcision), the Pharisees were obedient servants of God entangled and trapped as poor slaves to God's Laws and Jesus came along and tried to get them to Transgress God's Commandments so He could free them from the Burdensome Commandments of God, but they refused to disobey His Father as He commanded so Jesus rejected them from the Kingdom of His Father.

But they are still trying to bewitching people into obeying God and His terrible burdensome laws. But Paul is going to make sure they stay in Transgression and not slip back to obedience.

Sorry G9, I don't think this is how it goes.

 

[dcontroversal]

The Bible is pretty intimidating, when you first come to it.

At first I was inclined to agree with those Christians who say God doesn't expect us to keep it,
and it doesn't really need to be done like He says in there.

But Jesus came, and He was encouraging me on, and He keeps saying to do it, doesn't He.
You know how it is, numerous attempts from the start of Genesis. False starts.
Occasional tentative glances at Leviticus and Deuteronomy and Numbers, and thinking, what the...?
And, How am I ever going to make head or tails of all this?

How about. ask the Christians. You would think, they will know.
But they are no help.
They don't even keep it themselves.
Nope, I even asked their priests and pastors, and their answer is always, don't need to bother with it.
Ended. Finished. Sin and Death. Curse. Old Covenant. Nailed to the cross. Faith. Saved by Grace. Jesus died for you.
Yeah yeah, I heard all that before.
But that doesn't help me to understand the law.

I mean. Even if didn't need to be kept, I still wanted to understand it.
I wanted to know what all the fuss is about.
How can such a wonderful God have such a wicked mean law, that it had to end?
Is it so wicked and mean, as men make out?

Then, while I was still wrestling with all this, by some twist of fate,
I had the fortune, or some might say misfortune, of having to visit a lawyer.
It wasn't for me, but my friend had some legal matter, and I was tagging along.
While they were discussing and going over papers I just sat there in the office patiently waiting,
looking around. Looking at all the walls were bookshelves stacked with big black volumes,
from floor to ceiling, covering wall after wall.
And as I looked, I read the titles on the binders and it slowly dawned on me,
wow, all that is the law of the land.
All those huge volumes, which looked like would take a lifetime to read,
and I imagined how boring that would be, were the laws of Australia.
I suddenly had compassion for the man.
He had to study all that to become a lawyer.
Of course, he keeps a copy of it all, for no man could possibly remember all that.
Yet we are all expected to keep it.

Then I thought about the first five books in the Bible, which contains God's laws for us.
Just five books.
Five really slim books.
And the commandments really only start half way through Exodus, the second book,
and all of Leviticus and Deuteronomy,
and really not much more commandments in Numbers (but there are some).
So really, only half of those five slims books is law.
We are down to 2 and half slim books.

You say, What about the rest of the Bible? It's huge.
Yes, and it is all help with how to keep the law.
That is what all the rest of the Bible is.
The prophets and Jesus and the Apostles explaining the commandments, and how to keep them.
By word and by example.

So, the burden of the lord.
We have two and half slim books to understand and do, and our whole lifetime to do it in.
And lots and lots of help from all the mighty men in Israel.
And Jesus comes to help too.

Compared to the law of men in the country you now reside in,
God's law is piece of cake.
It's a walk in the park.
It's a Sunday picnic.
Literally.

Bless God
Paul

Hey mate....unless you keep every jot and tittle 24/7/365 your whole life you are guilty of breaking all of it.....

The righteousness of Christ WITHOUT the law is imputed unto all who exercise faith.....the law was designed to prove your guilt and that which is designed to prove guilt will NEVER make your righteous before GOD...see above bolded point.