People who encourage Halloween should be ashamed of themselves

[notmyown]

Every year in the UK there are debates and petitions to ban trick or
treat in the UK. It sounds more civilised in the US, over here it’s a marauding
free for all. I think there is also an element too of parental peer pressure, where parents
feel they have to join in as they don’t want it to appear their children are missing out.

that's a naughty mom and dad problem more than a naughty kid problem.

muuuuch harder to correct. lol

you'll probably never get it banned, improvement is most likely the best you can hope for.

has it quieted down at all yet? praying for you and mum. ♥

 

[Ugly]

A shame people aren't listening long-term on here.

For Shirley, much of this had to do with this paragraph --



Here's the rest. Her aunt also is very frail, and can't stand, quite often, although she doesn't remember that, so tries anyway. If she falls, EMTs have to come to help her up. That frail!

Add to that, she has delirium, not just in the parts of the day when Miri has time to remind her of this, but at inconvenient times -- like the middle of the night often and when Miri is trying to do normal things the rest of us never have to think twice about -- like making meals, doing laundry, etc.

Add to that, her aunt is very sickly in other ways.

And, mostly add to that, Miri has been alone in this for over five years now. Even when her aunt is in the hospital so much else is going on with her aunt, that Miri is frayed always trying to keep things going -- mostly her aunt and herself.

She hasn't been quiet about this. She had another post on this forum earlier today about being sleep deprived.

If she could get fulltime help, even the fulltime help would need someone to do what she couldn't do, and that's with Miri still helping. She's doing the work of three people this week alone. AND, when she goes back to work, four people.

So, come on, and let Miri have a place to grumble. Yeah, most elderly aren't like that. Even her aunt isn't like that, but try taking care of her aunt for a week, and you'll be amazed how kind Miri is being.

Mostly? Mostly, I wish people would listen to each other more often on a Christian site.

She may have garnered a more sympathetic reaction if she weren't so harshly trashing the parents. Stupid. Idiots. Etc...
So not only is she flatly insulting some people in this site she's always attacking many of our parents as well. And our grandparents. Her tone isn't "venting" it's attacking. I'd say this is a very, very poorly made series of posts by Miri.
She could've simply expressed her frustration over the holiday without name calling and attacking people over and over and over, with those attacks translating to attacking everyone's parents who have ever let their kids go trick or treating. I can't see venting as justifying that.

 

[Miri]

that's a naughty mom and dad problem more than a naughty kid problem.

muuuuch harder to correct. lol

you'll probably never get it banned, improvement is most likely the best you can hope for.

has it quieted down at all yet? praying for you and mum. ♥

Yes it’s gone quite now, the Carer came and we put my aunt to bed.
The Carer was saying she had just been to one elderly person’s house and not only
were they knocking on the door, but when they didn’t get an answer they started knocking
on the window.


Oh and yes ugly, the parents are stupid as they stand and watch their kids doing this.
Notmyown got it correct, it’s a naughty parent problem as they seem to think their little sons and
daughters are entitled to make a nuisance of themselves. If you can think of a better word
to describe an adult who stands and watches their kids knocking and kicking doors and
knocking on windows of a strangers house while laughing and smiling at them,
then I’m open to suggestions.

 

[Depleted]

Aw you made me cry now with your kind words.

Seriously though I really dont understand why children along with their parents go knocking on
strangers doors, what if it’s an elderly person, a drug addict, a sex offences, a deranged madman
with a gun, or someone sleep deprived person like me. Lol

Why can’t they just go to friends and family.

Asking an American something like that is like asking what's up with that Santa dude. Why would anyone let their child sit on the lap of a stranger. (Does Father Christmas do that too?) And who was the dimwit who decided Christmas was about over-lavishing their kids with a bazillion and one gifts? Truthfully, it's been so ingrained in us that this is what Halloween is about for so long, we have no idea where this started and why it become such a big part of our culture.

I've got nothing. Whoever came up with this idea was before my father's time. lol

 

[joefizz]

Asking an American something like that is like asking what's up with that Santa dude. Why would anyone let their child sit on the lap of a stranger. (Does Father Christmas do that too?) And who was the dimwit who decided Christmas was about over-lavishing their kids with a bazillion and one gifts? Truthfully, it's been so ingrained in us that this is what Halloween is about for so long, we have no idea where this started and why it become such a big part of our culture.

I've got nothing. Whoever came up with this idea was before my father's time. lol

I heard originally that it was a celtic custom for feeding and blending in with the dead,some say otherwise but it is rather odd no matter the origin.

 

[mar09]

Every year in the UK there are debates and petitions to ban trick or
treat in the UK. It sounds more civilised in the US, over here it’s a marauding
free for all. I think there is also an element too of parental peer pressure, where parents
feel they have to join in as they don’t want it to appear their children are missing out.

Sad, but it's one of those seemingly harmless things thats becoming 'part of life.' While we did not grow up w/ that, it (Halloween) is becoming part of school as well, where they had this halloween party at school last week. I was glad when i met a child's parent who is Christian... they go to a church where we know the pastor has a radio ministry, and he is both patriotic and Bible-based in teachings, letting us see and understand how different our culture is and to adapt or not adapt what is Christian in things being shared or passed on to us. Then i learned their family went trick or treat from an fb post..

Oh well, i am in fact writing a late response to the student council's permit letter for the halloween party, and why there was no 'Not allowing' option, though we did not really let the kids go.

 

[mar09]

I heard originally that it was a celtic custom for feeding and blending in with the dead,some say otherwise but it is rather odd no matter the origin.

Hijoe,

Here we have so many customs and traditions which arent Biblical, so instead of adding to those, i hope we learn to pick up what will result in transforming of the mind and soul, and lead us closer to God instead of away from Him. I'm sure there were previous threads attacking halloween and supporting it, kind of, but it Is odd and creepy.

 

[Innerfire89]

You have a problem in the UK, one that I've never seen in the US, even in the bad nehiborhood I grew up in. Here if a porch light isn't lit the kids don't go to that house.

And you say Halloween is the worst thing to come to the UK? That can't be true, even if hollowen is pure evil, its up to your own people to take a moral stance or indulge.

 

[Miri]

Sad, but it's one of those seemingly harmless things thats becoming 'part of life.' While we did not grow up w/ that, it (Halloween) is becoming part of school as well, where they had this halloween party at school last week. I was glad when i met a child's parent who is Christian... they go to a church where we know the pastor has a radio ministry, and he is both patriotic and Bible-based in teachings, letting us see and understand how different our culture is and to adapt or not adapt what is Christian in things being shared or passed on to us. Then i learned their family went trick or treat from an fb post..

Oh well, i am in fact writing a late response to the student council's permit letter for the halloween party, and why there was no 'Not allowing' option, though we did not really let the kids go.

Our church holds an evening of fun and games and a messy party for the church kids,
as an alternative for them, and there isn’t a hint of ghosts, Gould’s, demons and witches
in sight.

Every year more and more attend as they all tell their friends at school. Kids say they
love it far more than walking around dark streets on a cold night.

 

[Miri]

You have a problem in the UK, one that I've never seen in the US, even in the bad nehiborhood I grew up in. Here if a porch light isn't lit the kids don't go to that house.

And you say Halloween is the worst thing to come to the UK? That can't be true, even if hollowen is pure evil, its up to your own people to take a moral stance or indulge.

I mentioned it was the worst US import.

 

[Lynx]

I have to question that. The worst US import is that "chocolate" made by the Hershey company. It tastes like soured milk.

And if kids over there don't have a tradition of leaving dark houses alone, I would personally consider electrifying the front steps. Nothing lethal, just enough to give them a REAL scare. Word would get around about my house real fast and I probably wouldn't have any more trouble.

 

[Miri]

I have to question that. The worst US import is that "chocolate" made by the Hershey company. It tastes like soured milk.

And if kids over there don't have a tradition of leaving dark houses alone, I would personally consider electrifying the front steps. Nothing lethal, just enough to give them a REAL scare. Word would get around about my house real fast and I probably wouldn't have any more trouble.

You forget I’m a woman, I don’t think I have ever come across a brand of chocolate
I don’t like. Lol

 

[Depleted]

She may have garnered a more sympathetic reaction if she weren't so harshly trashing the parents. Stupid. Idiots. Etc...
So not only is she flatly insulting some people in this site she's always attacking many of our parents as well. And our grandparents. Her tone isn't "venting" it's attacking. I'd say this is a very, very poorly made series of posts by Miri.
She could've simply expressed her frustration over the holiday without name calling and attacking people over and over and over, with those attacks translating to attacking everyone's parents who have ever let their kids go trick or treating. I can't see venting as justifying that.

Oh no! She garnered sympathy because she is Miri and most people, even parents, can understand how stupid it is to teach children something 364 days a year, and then go "Just kidding" one day a year. Whereas, you garner no sympathy, because you had five years to get to know her and get her point, but you wasted those five years speaking up for people who may, or may not be here, that you don't particularly care about either.

You just think it's your duty to scold everyone in every post with the understanding that even a stopped clock is right twice a day. And under that guise, (because you aren't a parent either), you feel you, in particular, are justified to vent.

Fulltime goose? Meet parting gander.

 

[Depleted]

Yes it’s gone quite now, the Carer came and we put my aunt to bed.
The Carer was saying she had just been to one elderly person’s house and not only
were they knocking on the door, but when they didn’t get an answer they started knocking
on the window.


Oh and yes ugly, the parents are stupid as they stand and watch their kids doing this.
Notmyown got it correct, it’s a naughty parent problem as they seem to think their little sons and
daughters are entitled to make a nuisance of themselves. If you can think of a better word
to describe an adult who stands and watches their kids knocking and kicking doors and
knocking on windows of a strangers house while laughing and smiling at them,
then I’m open to suggestions.

I can, but it would probably get me banned from this site.

Of course, I'm more thinking of parents who teach their children how to be thugs... which is pretty much what those parents are doing as first lessons.

 

[Depleted]

I heard originally that it was a celtic custom for feeding and blending in with the dead,some say otherwise but it is rather odd no matter the origin.

Well now, can we really blame it on the Celts, if the Celts lived in what is now the United Kingdom, and Miri says it's a newer custom there than in America?

And, maybe it was invented by them, but I take it like Mummers. Mummery started in "the old country" (Ireland), but we Philadelphians made it our own.

[video=youtube;B3lm311FPeQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3lm311FPeQ[/video]

(Hey, we have our own forms of silliness in this city, but sometimes I love it. lol)

 

[Depleted]

You have a problem in the UK, one that I've never seen in the US, even in the bad nehiborhood I grew up in. Here if a porch light isn't lit the kids don't go to that house.

And you say Halloween is the worst thing to come to the UK? That can't be true, even if hollowen is pure evil, its up to your own people to take a moral stance or indulge.

When I was a kid, we really meant "Trick or Treat." If we didn't get candy, a pumpkin was going to pay with its life. My oldest brother and his friends lit lunch bags of doggie doo on people's steps and rang the doorbell, if they didn't give his crew candy, and he, being too old to go in costume (at the ripe old age of 13), would do that after 9 PM, when most everyone gave up answering the door. (Curfew was 9 by then.) Also his last year he was allowed to go out at all on October 31st.

Do you know why we have such local customs now as go out before it gets dark and porch lights? (BTW, what happens if you have no outdoor lighting, like most houses on my street? ) Because adults learn from previous experience.

I never asked my grandparents if they went trick or treating. Just assumed they did. But I did ask Dad, and he did. Dad is 87 years old. That means America has had at least 80 years experience with this custom to work with. The UK has only had 30 yearsish. May they learn faster than Americans, because stomping out a fire made from doggie doo is just plain nasty! So is kicking OP's doors and knocking on their windows.

 

[Jenizona]

I have to question that. The worst US import is that "chocolate" made by the Hershey company. It tastes like soured milk.

Which Hershey's chocolate tastes like soured milk? Is that a special horrid kind that they save for exports? I don't know! I love Hersheys! Also people make smores with it, and I don't think they're doing it for that flavor of soured milk that it contributes lol.

 

[Depleted]

I mentioned it was the worst US import.

Well, at least you aren't saying that about rap music. We've been getting shake-the-windows-loud drive-by rap music for over 30 years now.

 

[Depleted]

I have to question that. The worst US import is that "chocolate" made by the Hershey company. It tastes like soured milk.

And if kids over there don't have a tradition of leaving dark houses alone, I would personally consider electrifying the front steps. Nothing lethal, just enough to give them a REAL scare. Word would get around about my house real fast and I probably wouldn't have any more trouble.

I love Hershey's chocolate. (I love all chocolate except Brach's, which I maintain isn't really chocolate at all)

And, excusing the expensive part, even a small shock could cause a seizure in some. Not to mention, the carer helping her would run away rather then help. lol

My dad's answer was barbed wire. (Granted it had to do with kids thinking it was okay to take a shortcut thorough the hedge, until the new people -- Dad -- moved into that house. lol)

 

[Depleted]

You forget I’m a woman, I don’t think I have ever come across a brand of chocolate
I don’t like. Lol

I'd send you some Brach's Chocolate, but then it has a terrible after affect too. A need for a toilet quickly and violently. (I vaguely recall it really is made without need for cocoa.)