The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?
- Thread starter unobtrusive
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Hello Iconoclast,
The events of the sun, moon and stars are not symbolic, but should be interpreted as being literal. For there is nothing in the context that would infer the sun, moon and stars as being symbolic or allegorical.
"And immediately after the tribulation of those days:‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and
the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’ "
If we study the Scriptures we know there is only one meaning and when somebody tries to twist it it's easy to spot, Matt.23:36, this generation, who is he talking too? what is he talking about? verse 29 and 33 tells us who hes talking to, scribes and pharisees, serpents generation of vipers, the scribes are the kenites 1 Ch.2:55, the kenites are the descendants of Cain, who murdered Abel? Cain, who was Cains father? the serpent in the garden of eden, satan, now we know who Jesus is talking to and about, today they occupy the state of Israel.
Matt.24, we get the subject and who hes talking about in verse 32, Jesus said learn the parable of the fig tree, I assume you did not learn it, you read about the good and the bad fig in Jer.24, God said he would bring them back to Jerusalem and they will not be removed, the good figs are the Christians and the bad are the kenites, the pharisees, he did that in 1948, when his branch is yet tender means when that nation is young know that summer is near, summer is harvest time, harvest of the souls that is. So this generation is the generation that was born when Israel became a nation in 1948 and the years of a mans life is 70 years Ps.90:10 and if they are strong 80 years, 2018 will be 70 years. God bless
I read a sci-fi story years ago, that the end would come when Buddhist monks discovered all 9 billion names of God. And it did!
That makes about as much sense to me as dispensationalism!
That makes about as much sense to me as dispensationalism!
You do realize that Revelation is apocalyptic literature and is pretty much all symbols, right? And while apocalyptic means “unveiling,” it is an unveiling with symbols and should not be interpreted literally! That is how you get this nightmare mess of faulty interpreting in dispensational! And dispensationalists disagreeing with each other about how to interpret the symbols! Oops, I mean literal symbols... or something!
i read one, actually a long series of ones ((& zeros?)), where the end of the world was brought about by misguided zealots who traveled to an enormous super-massive black hole in the center of a galaxy, which turned out to be living, possibly sentient, & which fed somehow on human imagination.
to the people who entered it, they believed they were in a sort of 'heaven' where they could live out every fantasy they ever had. at first only one lost traveler entered it, but people all across the universe could sense his fantasies in their dreams. as he gradually began to understand that anything he imagined would take place (from his perspective), the black hole expanded. sensing his dreaming, a weird religion grew.
one day, it became known who and where the spacefarer was. hordes of people, convinced that they had found heaven, pooled enormous resources and raced across the stars in generation ships to go there.
when they reached it, of course, the 'thing that swallowed the universe' expanded exponentially as they ravenously pursued every lust.
actually come to think of it someone may have 'saved the day' at the last moment
but it was an interesting premise, i thought. how James says we do not receive, because we ask wrongly. how greed, pride and envy spring up in and devour. about corruption, and forces behind veils, that the world doesn't comprehend.
Last edited:
1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5
I believe the verse quoted is in Matt. 24 . . . . not Revelation. Just saying!
I can't make much sense out of this Garee - it seems to me that you are trying to redefine the Greek word genea as a generation of people (i.e. a race) rather than a 40-60 year generation in an attempt to explain away "this generation shall not pass" as not being the contemporary generation that Christ spoke to.
There is no end of the world - Paul states that the praise of Christ is in all the generation to come including the generation he lived and died in:
No mention of the end of the world in the above.
Thanks for the reply respectfully I see that a little differently.
The scripture does not use the word generation to span 40 to 50 years when relating to the gospel.
The evil generation spoken of is the generation of Adam dead in their trespasses and sin with hope and without God in this present world. They do not walk by faith(the unseen) .In regard to that they would assumed 40 or 50 and die.
The generation of Christ in respect to the incorruptible spiritual seed as a new beginning (generation. genesis)
Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
The generation of Christ in regard to a new genesis represents this generation below.
Genesis 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Not the generation that no longer existed.
The forty years is the time of testing not how long a generation is until all of that generation of natural man died ,those who had the Spirit of Christ the generation of Christ...lived
Numbers 32:13 And the LORD's anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.
David spoke of being preserved from the judgment of this generation the generation of Adam forever.
Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
The praise of Christ is in all the generation to come including the generation he lived and died in but that does not mean that corruption will inherit the incorruptible.(a hope of the JW’s)We simply do not know Christ after the rudiments(atoms and molecules) of this corrupted world they will go up in smoke when the new comes over the horizon.:
Christ simply cannot be found in a science laboratory or a electronic telescope..
i read one, actually a long series of ones ((& zeros?)), where the end of the world was brought about by misguided zealots who traveled to an enormous super-massive black hole in the center of a galaxy, which turned out to be living, possibly sentient, & which fed somehow on human imagination.
to the people who entered it, they believed they were in a sort of 'heaven' where they could live out every fantasy they ever had. at first only one lost traveler entered it, but people all across the universe could sense his fantasies in their dreams. as he gradually began to understand that anything he imagined would take place (from his perspective), the black hole expanded. sensing his dreaming, a weird religion grew.
one day, it became known who and where the spacefarer was. hordes of people, convinced that they had found heaven, pooled enormous resources and raced across the stars in generation ships to go there.
when they reached it, of course, the 'thing that swallowed the universe' expanded exponentially as they ravenously pursued every lust.
actually come to think of it someone may have 'saved the day' at the last moment
but it was an interesting premise, i thought. how James says we do not receive, because we ask wrongly. how greed, pride and envy spring up in and devour. about corruption, and forces behind veils, that the world doesn't comprehend.
actually, come to think of it, Someone did!
not at the last moment, but at the right time... (Ro 5:6)
just joking i see.
why is it called the book of revelation if no one can make heads or tails of it? its a useless book to u then. there is a blessing with that book.
we hear its symbolic and then we ask what it symbolizes and we get some stories about 70ad while revelation was written after that.
doesnt sound too convincing.
i think i'll stick with just believing what it says.
why cant folks just believe the bible?
Without parables Christ the word of God spoke not to the multitude hiding the spiritual unseen understanding form the lost. The finished work of Christ it signified end of the world the Sun and Moon the two keepers according to Revelation 12 were under the feet of the new chaste virgin bride the Church In the new heavens and earth there will be no need for observational signs as time keepers.
We are to compare the spiritual understanding to the spiritual not seen, also called faith to faith.
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. Luk 23:42
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. Rev 21:22
Good point! Except since he is always posting Revelation, and didn’t put an address for that quote, how would I know? Matt 24:30. When Jesus returns. Not an end at all, but a beginning! Liking forward to that!
Literalism drives me crazy, when it is constantly being applied to obvious non literal things, as he constantly does!
That's pretty impressive to say that with a straight face.
Allegorists remind me of the antifa leftists that bludgeon people they disagree with while shouting " stop being fascist!!"