GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

You hit the nail on the head! That is another gospel. Reminds me of the Israelites who had a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge (Romans 10:1-4). It's a real shame to see so much zeal wasted on UNBELIEF.

Hello Friend, lots of accusations but nothing from God's Word I see. Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. There is no scripture in all of God’s Word that says that Jesus is a Sabbath only that he is the Lord of the Sabbath and he made it for all of mankind and commands us to keep it as a holy day as a memorial of creation (Mark 2:27-28; Gen 2:1-3; Ex 20:8-11). The same as there is no command that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Jesus says that if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break God's commandments we are not following God. Who should we believe and follow the teachings and traditions of man or the Word of God? Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments. If we brake God's Law we do not show our love to God or man. If we brake one we are guilty before God of breaking them all and do not know him (James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:3-9)

UNBELIEF is from those that follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God because they choose not to believe God's Word and hold on to man made traditions. If you do not believe God's Word that is shared here. Please by all means make your case and let's talk scripture?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word..

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

we have been made dead to the Law by the body of Christ, that we be united with another, even to Him Who is raised from the dead so that we may bear fruit unto God

Valiant,

I couldn't imagine myself going through life and on my death bed still saying...

If you are still saying that at age 83,
it means you have been dead to the law all your life.

No. only since knowing Jesus Christ as my Saviour and being united with Him.

I'm so sorry

.

I am sorry for you being still under the Law.

Thank God I do not have to look back over my shoulder at the threatening of the Law, My eyes are fixed on Jesus

Still calling it threatening means it still looms over you.

READ what I said again

Will God deceive us and lead us astray?

No but He warns us against being 'under the Law' which means death.

Be scared of God for not keeping like He said, my friend. God has the power to destroy or to save us.

I walk with Him and am not afraid. It is you who are still under the Law who need to be afraid.

The law is still just words. Condemnatory if you haven't been faithful to keep them as commanded

.

But we who have been FREELY justified by His grace, in Christ Jesus, through His redemption, have no condemnation,

 

[IamWhoIam]

I have often wondered is there any scripture that says man should make adjustments to their calanders for the purpose of realigning the days, all man made calendars including the Jewish calander make adjustments for what is called leap year in English language, the Jewish calander adds a whole month a few times during a 19 year cycle.

all calanders make these adjustments in some form or another, did God say to make these adjustments in scripture.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Numbers 28 is interesting, to those who follow the Law, you shall slain two lambs, on the sabbath, one in the morning and the other at dusk

9 And on the sabbath day two he-lambs of the first year without blemish, and two tenth parts of an ephah of fine flour for a meal-offering, mingled with oil, and the drink-offering thereof.

failing to do these requirements and you fail to follow the Law given to Moses passed to you of today. heed and follow these requirements at all times.

the sabbath is approaching make sure you buy two lambs before that day so you can follow the Laws passed down from Moses.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I have often wondered is there any scripture that says man should make adjustments to their calanders for the purpose of realigning the days, all man made calendars including the Jewish calander make adjustments for what is called leap year in English language, the Jewish calander adds a whole month a few times during a 19 year cycle.
all calanders make these adjustments in some form or another, did God say to make these adjustments in scripture.

Yes this is for the yearly cycles. This however does not effect the weekly for which the 7th day Sabbath commandment is tied to (Exodus 20:8-11).

 

[IamWhoIam]

Yes this is for the yearly cycles. This however does not effect the weekly.

Indeed and you shall follow all the laws of the sabbath including the lambs as burnt offerings, there's no by passing the law. You are under the law and shall follow them to the tee.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Indeed and you shall follow all the laws of the sabbath including the lambs as burnt offerings, there's no by passing the law. You are under the law and shall follow them to the tee.

Nope this is part of the ceremonial laws of Moses of the Old Testament that were required for the forgiveness of sins that were all Shadows pointing to Jesus and nailed to the cross. Please read the OP. Please also read the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11)

 

[IamWhoIam]

The law of offerings is a requirement for all who are under Law.

New American Standard Bible
Laws for Offerings

1Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2“Command the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be careful to present My offering, My food for My offerings by fire, of a soothing aroma to Me, at their appointed time.’ 3“You shall say to them, ‘This is the offering by fire which you shall offer to the LORD: two male lambs one year old without defect as a continual burnt offering every day. 4‘You shall offer the one lamb in the morning and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight;5also a tenth of an ephah of fine flour for a grain offering, mixed with a fourth of a hin of beaten oil. 6‘It is a continual burnt offering which was ordained in Mount Sinai as a soothing aroma, an offering by fire to the LORD. 7‘Then the drink offering with it shall be a fourth of a hin for each lamb, in the holy place you shall pour out a drink offering of strong drink to the LORD. 8‘The other lamb you shall offer at twilight; as the grain offering of the morning and as its drink offering, you shall offer it, an offering by fire, a soothing aroma to the LORD. 9‘Then on the sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering: 10‘This is the burnt offering of every sabbath in addition to the continual burnt offering and its drink offering.
11‘Then at the beginning of each of your months you shall present a burnt offering to the LORD: two bulls and one ram, seven male lambs one year old without defect; 12and three-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering, for each bull; and two-tenths of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering, for the one ram; 13and a tenth of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering for each lamb, for a burnt offering of a soothing aroma, an offering by fire to the LORD. 14‘Their drink offerings shall be half a hin of wine for a bull and a third of a hin for the ram and a fourth of a hin for a lamb; this is the burnt offering of each month throughout the months of the year. 15‘And one male goat for a sin offering to the LORD; it shall be offered with its drink offering in addition to the continual burnt offering.
16‘Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the LORD’S Passover.17‘On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall beeaten for seven days. 18‘On the first day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. 19‘You shall present an offering by fire, a burnt offering to the LORD: two bulls and one ram and seven male lambs one year old, having them without defect. 20‘For their grain offering, you shall offer fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for a bull and two-tenths for the ram. 21‘A tenth of anephah you shall offer for each of the seven lambs; 22and one male goat for a sin offering to make atonement for you. 23‘You shall present these besides the burnt offering of the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. 24‘After this manner you shall present daily, for seven days, the food of the offering by fire, of a soothing aroma to the LORD; it shall be presented with its drink offering in addition to the continual burnt offering. 25‘On the seventh day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work.
26‘Also on the day of the first fruits, when you present a new grain offering to the LORD in your Feast of Weeks, you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. 27‘You shall offer a burnt offering for a soothing aroma to the LORD: two young bulls, one ram, seven male lambs one year old; 28and their grain offering, fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for each bull, two-tenths for the one ram, 29a tenth for each of the seven lambs; 30also one male goat to make atonement for you. 31‘Besides the continual burnt offering and its grain offering, you shall present them with their drink offerings. They shall be without defect.

 

[LoveGodForever]

The law of offerings is a requirement for all who are under Law.

New American Standard Bible
Laws for Offerings

1Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2“Command the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be careful to present My offering, My food for My offerings by fire, of a soothing aroma to Me, at their appointed time.’ 3“You shall say to them, ‘This is the offering by fire which you shall offer to the LORD: two male lambs one year old without defect as a continual burnt offering every day. 4‘You shall offer the one lamb in the morning and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight;5also a tenth of an ephah of fine flour for a grain offering, mixed with a fourth of a hin of beaten oil. 6‘It is a continual burnt offering which was ordained in Mount Sinai as a soothing aroma, an offering by fire to the LORD. 7‘Then the drink offering with it shall be a fourth of a hin for each lamb, in the holy place you shall pour out a drink offering of strong drink to the LORD. 8‘The other lamb you shall offer at twilight; as the grain offering of the morning and as its drink offering, you shall offer it, an offering by fire, a soothing aroma to the LORD. 9‘Then on the sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering: 10‘This is the burnt offering of every sabbath in addition to the continual burnt offering and its drink offering.
11‘Then at the beginning of each of your months you shall present a burnt offering to the LORD: two bulls and one ram, seven male lambs one year old without defect; 12and three-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering, for each bull; and two-tenths of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering, for the one ram; 13and a tenth of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering for each lamb, for a burnt offering of a soothing aroma, an offering by fire to the LORD. 14‘Their drink offerings shall be half a hin of wine for a bull and a third of a hin for the ram and a fourth of a hin for a lamb; this is the burnt offering of each month throughout the months of the year. 15‘And one male goat for a sin offering to the LORD; it shall be offered with its drink offering in addition to the continual burnt offering.
16‘Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the LORD’S Passover.17‘On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall beeaten for seven days. 18‘On the first day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. 19‘You shall present an offering by fire, a burnt offering to the LORD: two bulls and one ram and seven male lambs one year old, having them without defect. 20‘For their grain offering, you shall offer fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for a bull and two-tenths for the ram. 21‘A tenth of anephah you shall offer for each of the seven lambs; 22and one male goat for a sin offering to make atonement for you. 23‘You shall present these besides the burnt offering of the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. 24‘After this manner you shall present daily, for seven days, the food of the offering by fire, of a soothing aroma to the LORD; it shall be presented with its drink offering in addition to the continual burnt offering. 25‘On the seventh day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work.
26‘Also on the day of the first fruits, when you present a new grain offering to the LORD in your Feast of Weeks, you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. 27‘You shall offer a burnt offering for a soothing aroma to the LORD: two young bulls, one ram, seven male lambs one year old; 28and their grain offering, fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for each bull, two-tenths for the one ram, 29a tenth for each of the seven lambs; 30also one male goat to make atonement for you. 31‘Besides the continual burnt offering and its grain offering, you shall present them with their drink offerings. They shall be without defect.

Yes thanks for the post IamWhoIam.

This is what the OP is about if you have some time to read it you will get a blessing. Do you know what the festivals are about in the scriptures you quoted?

Here is the 4th commandment from God's Ten....

Can you see any requirements for burnt offerings here?

Exodus 20
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the ceremonial laws of Moses?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.....

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by mailmandan

You hit the nail on the head! That is another gospel. Reminds me of the Israelites who had a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge (Romans 10:1-4). It's a real shame to see so much zeal wasted on UNBELIEF.

Hello Friend, lots of accusations but nothing from God's Word I see.

you have a funny idea about 'lots'

Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God.

Acts 20.27? Poor old Paul.

There is no scripture in all of God’s Word that says that Jesus is a Sabbath only that he is the Lord of the Sabbath and he made it for all of mankind and commands us to keep it as a holy day as a memorial of creation (Mark 2:27-28)

Doesn't read like that to me.

Gen 2:1-3; Ex 20:8-11

The first is simply saying that God 'sanctified' the seventh day because He had completed creation. It doesn't mention the Sabbath. The second was a law to ISRAEL.

. The same as there is no command that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Then why does the New Testament NEVER say we should observe the Sabbath? Rather it says we should keep ONE DAY to the Lord (Rom 14). Its a good job for you. You in Australia do not observe the Israelite Sabbath. Your days are fixed by the time line, by MAN'S ordinance.

Jesus says that if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break God's commandments we are not following God.

And He listed the commandments of God which have to be kept in Matthew 19.18-19. No mention of the Sabbath there.

Who should we believe and follow the teachings and traditions of man or the Word of God?

Believe and follow the teaching of Jesus (Matthew19.18-19).

Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments.

Which did not include the Sabbath law (Matthew 19.18-19)....

If we brake God's Law we do not show our love to God or man. If we brake one we are guilty before God of breaking them all and do not know him (James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:3-9)

well that's you done for. As for me I trust in the righteousness of God given us in Jesus Christ (Rom 1.16-17. 3.24),

 

[IamWhoIam]

Yes thanks for the post IamWhoIam.

This is what the OP is about if you have some time to read it you will get a blessing. Do you know what the festivals are about in the scriptures you quoted?

I have posted the law from scripture, you shall follow them, anyone of these if you do not do, then you will be subject to judgement.

have a nice day Sir.

 

[IamWhoIam]

And remember God is watching, and every Law in the OT must be followed, none to be side step but all to be done, in accordance to the Law.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I have posted the law from scripture, you shall follow them, anyone of these if you do not do, then you will be subject to judgement. have a nice day Sir.

My questions were............

Do you know what the festivals are about in the scriptures you quoted?
Here is the 4th commandment from God's Ten; Can you see any requirements for burnt offerings here?
Do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the ceremonial laws of Moses?

I guess that is a no to my questions you do not know? Please read the OP for your own benefit.

Everyone is subject to judgment however it is the Word of God that will judge us all in the last days and if we believed and followed it or not because Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Many are called but few are chosen............

Who should we believe God or man?

 

[Snoozy]

Snoozy, you are only 30.
Consider your last day.

If you are still going, nah, nah, nobody's keeping the sabbath, nobody keeps God's commandments,
u don't, u don't, u don't, when you are in your 60s,
is Jesus going to raise you up?
Are you going to be able to make a sabbath for Him then?
Your knowledge will be the same as it is today, maybe less if your memory fades.

Take it from me, one who is in His last day.
I'm looking around me, and I see, for many the hour is too late.

So what if some or even if none of them are keeping it as they say.
Still hear them.
You could be slicing up a true anointed of the Lord, and you would not know it.

There are some here in their last day, still saying, nah, nah, u don't. nobody can.
Faith only. Love only. Like evil parrots.
You think these are believers?

u make threats instead of proving me wrong.
what i posted was truth. u DONT do all the things that sabbath requires in the law, nobody does, its not possible in a modern society in 2017. or else u would be still stoning people who dont keep the sabbath and making sure no one works inside ur city gates and u would not make a fire so turn off the heat during sabbath. if u cant handle truth too bad.

 

[valiant]

I have posted the law from scripture, you shall follow them, anyone of these if you do not do, then you will be subject to judgement.

But we are unable to follow them. We are NONE OF US righteous, no not one. I thank God that I am not under the Law,. Rather I am united with Christ and His righteousness is put to my account.

 

[IamWhoIam]

My questions were............

Do you know what the festivals are about in the scriptures you quoted?
Here is the 4th commandment from God's Ten; Can you see any requirements for burnt offerings here?
Do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the ceremonial laws of Moses?

I guess that is a no to my questions you do not know? Please read the OP for your own benefit.

Everyone is subject to judgment however it is the Word of God that will judge us all in the last days and if we believed and followed it or not because Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Many are called but few are chosen............

Who should we believe God or man?

it is not for me to know, but you since you are following the Law, those are for you do and know and abide, let's not be cleshay about the law but follow them all.

for I pick grain on the sabbath, pull sheep from a well on the sabbath, I'm not under those requirements.

 

[comingfrom]

No. only since knowing Jesus Christ as my Saviour and being united with Him.

Wow, you kept the law up until you converted?!

So you believed the Old Testament before you became a Christian, and then you switched to the New Testament?
Was you a Jew before you were a Christian?

I am sorry for you being still under the Law.

In the law we find out how to get on top of it.
Did you ever think to enquire in the law?
Or have you only ever inclined your ear to what the Christians say?

And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail;
and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath;
if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day,
to observe and to do them:
Deuteronomy 28:13

I am sorry for you being still under the Law.

You don't have to be sorry for me.
I am on top of it.
I can even teach you what it says.

READ what I said again

I'll even requote it.
I'm not too lazy.

the threatening of the Law

No but He warns us against being 'under the Law' which means death.

Then get on top of it.
Nobody got on top of it without doing their schoolwork.

You are like the naughty school child that never did their work,
then complaining of the condemnation when fail their exams.
He cries, School condemns, school condemns, I'm not doing school because school condemns.
No. You are condemned for not doing school.

I walk with Him and am not afraid.

Not afraid of what He does with liars?
How about what He does to those that lie in His name?
I am.

Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God,
to walk in His ways, and to fear Him.
Deuteronomy 8:6

It is you who are still under the Law who need to be afraid.

Since I know His law,
I can tell if one speaks the the truth about it or not.
For everything is written in the law. Don't you know.
(Those Christians didn't teach you much, did they?)

But we who have been FREELY justified by His grace, in Christ Jesus, through His redemption, have no condemnation,

The law condemns you every time you open your mouth.
For the ordinances you speak in His name are not written in His law.

And you could have so easily checked.

You are so confident that none can know it,
you think you can say about it what you want and no one will know.
But it is not so.

If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine,
whether it be of God, or whether I speak of Myself.
John 7:17

Bless Jesus
Paul

And it shall come to pass,
that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My name,
I will require it of him.
Deuteronomy 18:19​

 

[comingfrom]

Music to my ears.

And remember God is watching, and every Law in the OT must be followed, none to be side step but all to be done, in accordance to the Law.

How did you get so smart?


Paul

 

[IamWhoIam]

But we are unable to follow them. We are NONE OF US righteous, no not one. I thank God that I am not under the Law,. Rather I am united with Christ and His righteousness is put to my account.

Indeed brother, I mean really who here actually goes out and slaughters lambs for sacrifices, blood offerings.

none of these men preaching this stuff in this thread do any of that. the pick and choice such things to create confusion And redirections. trick of the enemy for sure,

 

[IamWhoIam]

Music to my ears.How did you get so smart?Paul

Im not smart, I'm dumb as a rock.