The burden of the Lord

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Angela.

I was just saying,
saying that Melchizidek wasn't following God's law doesn't make sense to me.
Why is he in the Bible, if he wasn't doing God's will?
And whose law was he following, if not God's?

He comes from the Old Testament, which you say is under the "old covenant".
(I believe both Testaments are under the same covenant.)

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the Priest of the most high God.
And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Genesis 14:18-20

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Psalm 110:4

We got the same verses that St Paul had to go by.
And Genesis describes him, and that sounds like Jesus to me.
King of Peace bringing forth bread and wine, and he is the priest of God.
That's my Jesus.

You say Mechizidek's name, so do you eat his bread and drink his wine?
Or is that what you bring forth, being a priest of his order?

Now look at what Jesus says in the law.

Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink:
that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 29:6

Jesus has got bread and wine for us.
He is the Priest we have to go to, as written in the law.
When you read in the law "go to the priest", that means Jesus.
Jesus is our priest from God.
The sabbaths are His feasts.
That's how we be priests in the order of Melchizidek.
I believe.

And maybe the the books of Moses weren't written in Abraham's day,
that doesn't mean to say he didn't follow the law.
The law tells us, it is already inside us as well. (deut 30)
And God rains His doctrine on us. (deut 32)
And with the King of Peace giving you bread and wine, one can follow Jesus without the book.
But their doings won't contradict the book, they still follow the law.
The book is for God's children who are still in captivity, and who cannot reach the bread and wine yet.
The Bible is the loaf of God's bread that is given for us.

Jesus said it is His body. Break it, and offer it around.
So we offer wafers from the Bible, like Jesus commanded.

And if thou bring an oblation of a meat offering baken in the oven,
it shall be unleavened cakes of fine flour mingled with oil,
or unleavened wafers anointed with oil.
Leviticus 2:4

I give you the unleavened bread,
and my words are wine too. I give you good oil.
Just don't eat the blood.

And bless Him
Paul

This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded,
saying,
What man soever there be of the house of Israel,
that kills an ox, or lamb, or goat, in the camp,
or that kills it out of the camp,
And brings it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation,
to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD;
blood shall be imputed unto that man;
he hath shed blood;
and that man shall be cut off from among His people:
To the end that the children of Israel may bring their sacrifices, which they offer in the open field,
even that they may bring them unto the LORD,
unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the Priest,
and offer them for peace offerings unto the LORD.
Leviticus 17:2-5

 

[comingfrom]

As for this, I thank you, Angela.

I take your judgments and reproof on the chin, and to heart.

When I was in your boots, and the law was still confounding to me,
and people spoke confusing things,
I asked.
I took the sentences that I didn't understand, back to them, and said, Hey, what does this mean?
If they gave me a good explanation, I was blessed, and had new knowledge.
If they gave me a strange a story, I still thanked them.

Anyhow, the gist of is, after a while you learn, and gain confidence.
I may say wrong things. You say I do.
And if I do, someone may come with correction, and reprove me.
But many come with Christians sayings which aren't even in the Bible,
and expect me to be humble before that?
I already brought those bullocks to the Lord.

I humble myself before God's words in the law,
but I can walk confidently in the world, with my head held high.
Thanks to Jesus.

I apologize if that looks like arrogance.
I am actually a meek man.
Paul

As for the rest of your ramblings, I can’t make his nor hair out of most of it. You contradict yourself, forget what I said, forget what you said, etc.

But one thing does come through clearly and that is your arrogant self fulfilling that you don’t need any teacher, or to be humble and learn anything, because God himself taught you! And yes, God does teach us, when we have a humble heart, and we are willing to listen to teachers and those who have studied show them self approved. Until you bow down and confess to God your sin of vain conceit, God is never going to be able to straighten up your mixed up, cobbled together concordance theology!

 

[comingfrom]

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment:
because as He is, so are we in this world.
1 John 4:17

Ye shall not respect persons in judgment;
but ye shall hear the small as well as the great;
ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's:
and the cause that is too hard for you,
bring it unto Me, and I will hear it.
Deuteronomy 1:17

 

[gb9]

As for this, I thank you, Angela.

I take your judgments and reproof on the chin, and to heart.

When I was in your boots, and the law was still confounding to me,
and people spoke confusing things,
I asked.
I took the sentences that I didn't understand, back to them, and said, Hey, what does this mean?
If they gave me a good explanation, I was blessed, and had new knowledge.
If they gave me a strange a story, I still thanked them.

Anyhow, the gist of is, after a while you learn, and gain confidence.
I may say wrong things. You say I do.
And if I do, someone may come with correction, and reprove me.
But many come with Christians sayings which aren't even in the Bible,
and expect me to be humble before that?
I already brought those bullocks to the Lord.

I humble myself before God's words in the law,
but I can walk confidently in the world, with my head held high.
Thanks to Jesus.

I apologize if that looks like arrogance.
I am actually a meek man.
Paul

As for the rest of your ramblings, I can’t make his nor hair out of most of it. You contradict yourself, forget what I said, forget what you said, etc.

But one thing does come through clearly and that is your arrogant self fulfilling that you don’t need any teacher, or to be humble and learn anything, because God himself taught you! And yes, God does teach us, when we have a humble heart, and we are willing to listen to teachers and those who have studied show them self approved. Until you bow down and confess to God your sin of vain conceit, God is never going to be able to straighten up your mixed up, cobbled together concordance theology!

until you understand that no one is sinless, including you, and that we are not saved by keeping the law, you will not be straight.

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, GB

until you understand that no one is sinless, including you, and that we are not saved by keeping the law, you will not be straight.

Do you have a correction for me?
No questions or comments on my oblations?

I keep the law because Jesus saved me.
I will do whatever He asks.

And no, I am not perfect,
but I am free of sin.
You do not see me speaking down on God's commandments
or not teaching them,
or turning people away from it,
do you?

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him:
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9

Please, sin no more
Paul

Receive, I pray thee, the law from His mouth,
and lay up His words in thine heart.
Job 22:22​

 

[preacher4truth]

I love the tenacity of gb9, phil36, Angela53510, notmyown, Grandpa, posthuman, Depleted, dcontroversal, Rokurac on here in attempt to convince the few false brethren in here of the Gospel, and perhaps even lauracharlotte who goes about "liking" postings of their false gospel, false as per Galatians 1:8-10.

Who knows, perhaps God will deliver them out of their bondage and self-deception into Christ and the truth of the Gospel?

 

[IamWhoIam]

[video=youtube;53Pqw20xK10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Pqw20xK10[/video]

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Preacher4truth.

I love the tenacity of gb9, phil36, Angela53510, notmyown, Grandpa, posthuman, Depleted, dcontroversal, Rokurac on here in attempt to convince the few false brethren in here of the Gospel, and perhaps even lauracharlotte who goes about "liking" postings of their false gospel, false as per Galatians 1:8-10.

Welcome to my thread.

I'm looking forward to your corrections.
Thank you for coming to help me out.

Who knows, perhaps God will deliver them out of their bondage and self-deception into Christ and the truth of the Gospel?

And the servant of the Lord must not strive;
but be gentle unto all men,
apt to teach,
patient,
in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him
at His will.
2 Timothy 2:24-26

My best sincere regards
Paul

 

[Rokurac]

comingfrom the jig is up.

You have been exposed already as lacking in Bible knowledge, taking a verse here and verse there and your constant "hey man Jesus is the best hermeneutic, dont listen to any man" attitude is very wrong.
You would have dismissed Peter as well, after all, he was just a man what did he know?

Not only that but you claim special revelation which makes me even more suspicious of your motives. Sounds like you are preaching a false Gospel trying to mix the law with the Gospel.

 

[Rokurac]

I meant mix keeping the law to salvation* cannot edit, oops

 

[phil36]

comingfrom the jig is up.

You have been exposed already as lacking in Bible knowledge, taking a verse here and verse there and your constant "hey man Jesus is the best hermeneutic, dont listen to any man" attitude is very wrong.
You would have dismissed Peter as well, after all, he was just a man what did he know?

Not only that but you claim special revelation which makes me even more suspicious of your motives. Sounds like you are preaching a false Gospel trying to mix the law with the Gospel.

Hi Rokurac,

I would say it more strongly, comingfrom 'is' teaching a false gospel.

 

[dcontroversal]

comingfrom the jig is up.

You have been exposed already as lacking in Bible knowledge, taking a verse here and verse there and your constant "hey man Jesus is the best hermeneutic, dont listen to any man" attitude is very wrong.
You would have dismissed Peter as well, after all, he was just a man what did he know?

Not only that but you claim special revelation which makes me even more suspicious of your motives. Sounds like you are preaching a false Gospel trying to mix the law with the Gospel.

Mixing faith and law keeping for salvation<---To get, keep, maintain, embellish is like mixing oil and water......you can shake the proverbial crap out of it and it will NEVER mix.....

Paul was clear in Galatians.....FAITH plus WORKS of the law = false gospel, no power to save, double cursed and all who believe or push it are called bewitched and foolish......

GOD's words dia the hand of PAUL bolded above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[gb9]

I love the tenacity of gb9, phil36, Angela53510, notmyown, Grandpa, posthuman, Depleted, dcontroversal, Rokurac on here in attempt to convince the few false brethren in here of the Gospel, and perhaps even lauracharlotte who goes about "liking" postings of their false gospel, false as per Galatians 1:8-10.

Who knows, perhaps God will deliver them out of their bondage and self-deception into Christ and the truth of the Gospel?

I am speaking only for myself here- while I hope the Hebrew roots, Sabbath , and sinless folks see the truth, and pray that they do, I mainly point out the error of their theology, so that new or young believers do not get pulled into it.


like they quote 1st John 2 v. 3-6 verbatim , but they do not seem to know ( or care ) that 1st John is letter. John was telling people something, he just did not say the words in those verses, and nothing else. if they keep reading the letter, John explains that God's commands are believe in the Son and love one another. chapter 3 v. 22-23.

 

[preacher4truth]

I am speaking only for myself here- while I hope the Hebrew roots, Sabbath , and sinless folks see the truth, and pray that they do, I mainly point out the error of their theology, so that new or young believers do not get pulled into it.


like they quote 1st John 2 v. 3-6 verbatim , but they do not seem to know ( or care ) that 1st John is letter. John was telling people something, he just did not say the words in those verses, and nothing else. if they keep reading the letter, John explains that God's commands are believe in the Son and love one another. chapter 3 v. 22-23.

You want to know the devastating thing about their position that will show just how wicked it is? They believe and teach they chose to love, follow God, and keep all his commandments by their own free will.

 

[Grandpa]

.

Jesus is my teacher.
And He taught me to keep God's law.

I am not professing I am perfect, or keep it all perfectly,
but I am certainly a lot better at it than them who have faith they keep the commandments by faith.
In fact, Jesus set me as a teacher of it.

No. You really aren't.

Romans 9:30-32
[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;[/FONT]

It is a pity you aren't interested in learning about God's law,
but I shall not pity you.
What mercy have you shown me?



If you can find confirmation for your gospel by showing me it from the law,
for God's word are my guide.
I want to be led to Jesus, not away from God's law.

I could probably find the corresponding verses to those verses in Lev or Deut for you,
but I really do feel I would be wasting my time with you.

You ears are blocked to the law. Yes?

No not at all.

Its all in Matthew 5... And here is the summary;

Matthew 5:48 [FONT=&quot]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.[/FONT]

Really? I thought they were Atheists, that hadn't come to Christ yet,
and they don't even look at the Bible.

I should know, I was one.
When I decided I needed salvation, and decided to take look at Jesus,
the Christians thrust a book with a law into my hands and told me I had to keep it.
Even all of it.

Every time I had a question, read your Bible, believe the scriptures, was their answer.
Well I did, and Jesus saved me. It's true. It really does lead to Jesus, if we follow what it says with sincere heart.
But now when I go to show the commandments which helped me find Jesus,
Christians say, NOT THAT PART OF THE BIBLE!

I say, why not? That's what led me to Jesus.
What's your hurry to get out of school?
And why not let the Schoolmaster teach our children?
Do you think you are better than Him?

One of the definitions of crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Hebrews 7:19 [FONT=&quot]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]

You think a man would take on the law if he didn't have faith in Jesus?
Oh ye of little faith.

Yes. The bible says they do.

Galatians 3:23 [FONT=&quot]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

[/FONT]Galatians 3:25 [FONT=&quot]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.[/FONT]

Consider that you be very wrong my friend.
It is the Atheists and the faithsayers that are equal in the law.
Their faith is equally strong when it comes to believing the need for God's words.
Their excuses are different, but their outcomes are the same.

Ignorance of the law.
Paul

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law:
and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 2:12

Its not ignorance of the law. Its ignorance of Righteousness that is the problem.

Romans 9:30-32
[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

I guess its only simple for people who have come to faith in Christ.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.[/FONT]

 

[Angela53510]

Thank you, Angela.

I was just saying,
saying that Melchizidek wasn't following God's law doesn't make sense to me.
Why is he in the Bible, if he wasn't doing God's will?
And whose law was he following, if not God's?

He comes from the Old Testament, which you say is under the "old covenant".
(I believe both Testaments are under the same covenant.)

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the Priest of the most high God.
And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Genesis 14:18-20

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Psalm 110:4

We got the same verses that St Paul had to go by.
And Genesis describes him, and that sounds like Jesus to me.
King of Peace bringing forth bread and wine, and he is the priest of God.
That's my Jesus.

You say Mechizidek's name, so do you eat his bread and drink his wine?
Or is that what you bring forth, being a priest of his order?

Now look at what Jesus says in the law.

Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink:
that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 29:6

Jesus has got bread and wine for us.
He is the Priest we have to go to, as written in the law.
When you read in the law "go to the priest", that means Jesus.
Jesus is our priest from God.
The sabbaths are His feasts.
That's how we be priests in the order of Melchizidek.
I believe.

And maybe the the books of Moses weren't written in Abraham's day,
that doesn't mean to say he didn't follow the law.
The law tells us, it is already inside us as well. (deut 30)
And God rains His doctrine on us. (deut 32)
And with the King of Peace giving you bread and wine, one can follow Jesus without the book.
But their doings won't contradict the book, they still follow the law.
The book is for God's children who are still in captivity, and who cannot reach the bread and wine yet.
The Bible is the loaf of God's bread that is given for us.

Jesus said it is His body. Break it, and offer it around.
So we offer wafers from the Bible, like Jesus commanded.

And if thou bring an oblation of a meat offering baken in the oven,
it shall be unleavened cakes of fine flour mingled with oil,
or unleavened wafers anointed with oil.
Leviticus 2:4

I give you the unleavened bread,
and my words are wine too. I give you good oil.
Just don't eat the blood.

And bless Him
Paul

This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded,
saying,
What man soever there be of the house of Israel,
that kills an ox, or lamb, or goat, in the camp,
or that kills it out of the camp,
And brings it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation,
to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD;
blood shall be imputed unto that man;
he hath shed blood;
and that man shall be cut off from among His people:
To the end that the children of Israel may bring their sacrifices, which they offer in the open field,
even that they may bring them unto the LORD,
unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the Priest,
and offer them for peace offerings unto the LORD.
Leviticus 17:2-5

Again with the concordance theology, although I am beginning to suspect worse. Stringing words together, grandiosity, can be a sign of psychosis. I just hope it is ignorance, and not some form of mental illness that is causing you to do this. So, I will outline the words you have pulled out of a concordance. This a challenge, because this post is so mixed up


priest -> Melchizedek -> bread & wine -> oil -> law -> priest!

Not once did you mention the gospel, which is the grace of Jesus! As many have said, Jesus said we cannot keep the law. In fact, that is why we need Jesus! Only he kept the law perfectly, and his death on the cross atoned for our sins. Sin being "anything at separates us from God." Not just a bunch of Levitical laws, which I have shown you Melchizedek was NOT of the same order. As we are not.

We commemorate the Lord's supper to remember Jesus!

The Bible is the loaf of God's bread that is given for us.

No, it is not! The Bible is God's Word, but Jesus himself is the bread of life!

"Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:35-40

The Bible is our guidebook! Yes, it tells us how to live! But that is because it reveals Jesus. The law was set down to separate Israel from the pagans. God wanted them separate, because Jesus would come from the Jews. But it was also a foreshadowing of the hope of the Messiah, Jesus! Jesus came to save us from our sins. (Matt 1:21) so many have given you the verses and chapters to show you that we do not ever save ourselves by keeping the law. Your convoluted logic is wrong. Please read the Bible, to find Jesus! Everything you say indicates you do not know Jesus personally, except as someone pointing to the law!

No! The law points to Jesus! One last verse, this is a fruitless discussion, I am sorry to say! Your heart is hard. You need Jesus. Accept the gift of God, and be saved!

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.." Eph. 2:8-9

 

[oldethennew]

His yoke/burden, is His LIGHT, this is where those whom His is calling are
actively seeking, day-by-day, to walk in His Light; and this can only happen
by His Holy Grace for those whom He is calling out of this 'fallen-world'...

please read your Bibles concerning the Second Resurrection...

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you Rokurac.

comingfrom the jig is up.

The jig a jig is just starting, I think.

You have been exposed already as lacking in Bible knowledge, taking a verse here and verse there and your constant "hey man Jesus is the best hermeneutic, dont listen to any man" attitude is very wrong.

Who do you say we should be listening to?

You would have dismissed Peter as well, after all, he was just a man what did he know?

I said maybe I would listen to a man.

E.G. If I see you that keep Jesus words, and are faithful in keeping God's law,
and you offer me some of God's words to show where I erred.
I would reprove.

And you obviously do not do that.
When you see someone trying to be faithful to God's commandments,
you just want to "expose" them.

Not only that but you claim special revelation which makes me even more suspicious of your motives. Sounds like you are preaching a false Gospel trying to mix keeping the law to salvation.

(I included your correction.)

the Bible is my revelation.
The Bible I am quoting.

I can hardly believe you guys don't believe it to keep it.
You don't have any faith in God's words, is what you are inadvertently admitting.
And I am supposed to quit it just because you think this and that about me.

I am not claiming special revelations, but I am teaching those revealings I have had.
And there is nothing special about them, as they are all in the Bible.
I mean, all God's words are special, but I am not trying to teach something better than God's laws,
like you guys reckon you have.
People claiming they have faith, or the law of faith, or grace, or the cross, are claiming to have something special.
Something more special than God's law in the Bible.
And each man's gospel of faith is different, yet they are all better than God's law,
if you believe them.

And, I do apologize, that I confessed Jesus is my Teacher and you don't like that.
Who is your teacher?
And what are the revelations he/she gave you?
(Link me to your best thread, don't sidetrack mine.)
Paul

The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream;
and he that hath My word, let him speak My word faithfully.
What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:28​

 

[comingfrom]

Hi Rokurac,

I would say it more strongly, comingfrom 'is' teaching a false gospel.

More strong would be if you could part my bullocks in the presence of the congregation,
so then everyone could see how false they are.

But since you are incapable of taking my bulls by the horn,
so you just offer up a serpent.

It didn't help me,
it didn't help you to learn anything new,
and it didn't help anyone in the congregation either.

Ask questions, if something looks wrong to you.
Or challenge the wrong points, offering your better point of view,
if you think you have one.

And don't forget, bless the Lord.
Praise Him in the dance
Paul

Praise ye the LORD.
Praise ye the name of the LORD;
praise Him, O ye servants of the LORD.
Psalm 135:1​

 

[comingfrom]

Mixing faith and law keeping for salvation<---To get, keep, maintain, embellish is like mixing oil and water......you can shake the proverbial crap out of it and it will NEVER mix.....

Paul was clear in Galatians.....FAITH plus WORKS of the law = false gospel, no power to save, double cursed and all who believe or push it are called bewitched and foolish......

GOD's words dia the hand of PAUL bolded above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid:
yea, we establish the law.
Romans 3:31