The Benefits of Tithing and Giving

[MessageOfTheCross]

Thank you MOTC.
I don't get it.

You say "Christians rob God", but you call yourself, MessageOfTheCross?
Preaching the cross instead of His word is how they rob Him, isn't it?

And in case you don't realize yet,
crosses are Roman wooden implements of torture unto death.
They don't talk, they don't preach, and they don't have a message.
They are two bits of wood stuck together.

I apologize if this is a hard truth for anybody.

God showed me, His sign is the red love heart
Paul

Your statement shows you do not believe who Jesus is, and what Jesus as done (at Calvary Cross). Question? Why did Paul say, "For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Cor.1:18 NIV

"...but we preach Christ crucified (The Cross): a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles," 1 Cor. 1:23 NIV

"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified (The Cross)." 1 Cor. 2:2


FYI: The Cross means the same thing as The Blood of Jesus and the Finished Work.[SUB][SUP]
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[MessageOfTheCross]

Thank you for confirming my bullock, MOTC.

And thank you for offering up Jimmy's bullock.

How can a cross do that.

All those promises are to the law keepers.
Or, to those that overcome [the cherubim that keep us out of the way of God's commandment]. (Rev 2 & 3)
Jimmy is taking the promises of God, and saying
because the Lord died on the cross, we don't have to do what He commands.
He is breaking the words of Jesus, taking what he wants, and dropping off what Lord says to do.
God calls that a torn beast.

And then we can follow the Jimmy's of this world instead?
And keep their sayings instead of God's commandments and judgments?
That's not right.
Look at that first verse again.
Jesus says, "if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God,
to observe and to do all his Commandments which I command thee this day"

Then the blessings shall come to pass.

When that was given, "this day" was Moses' day.
Wasn't it.

You make me want to say, Oh ye wicked men.
Ye will dip into His law to steal the treasures,
but ye will not keep His commandments!

But I'll say this instead.
Bless Jesus
Paul

He that hath an ear,
let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the tree of life,
which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

And he that overcomes, and keeps My works unto the end,
to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:7 & 26
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Ask the Lord for wisdom. Repent and ask Him to show you how you are sending strange fire and strange incense based on your statements that becomes a spiritual death.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Your statement shows you do not believe who Jesus is, and what Jesus has done (at Calvary Cross). Question? Why did Paul say, "For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Cor.1:18 NIV

"...but we preach Christ crucified (The Cross): a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles," 1 Cor. 1:23 NIV

"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified (The Cross)." 1 Cor. 2:2


FYI: The Cross means the same thing as The Blood of Jesus and the Finished Work.[SUB][/SUB]

Sorry for the typo.

 

[Zmouth]

Jesus answered the question of tithing and receiving in the parable of the tribute. But faith comes by hearing which is the reason that worshipping is placing value (money) in the word of God which is not the superscription, despite what you might hear some define it in their postings.

Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? Luke 20:22

Shall we give, or shall we not give? [See Proverbs 17:16] But he, knowing their hypocrisy [See John 3:11], said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it. [See Proverbs 23:23]
Mark 12:15

So how did he know their hypocrisy? If one considers John 3:11, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness." Which is basically the premise upon which science is founded upon: the known and observed universe. So what do you see in written in Proverbs 17:16 ?


Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. Luke 20:24


So herein the definition of the term 'image' which is clarified in Revelations 20:4: "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;"

 

[comingfrom]

Let us look at the passage containing the tithing verse.
This passage is used by the churches who demand/expect money from us.
It is in the Old Testament which these same churches teach that covenant doesn't even apply.

Will a man rob God?
Yet ye have robbed Me.
But ye say, Wherein have we robbed Thee?
In tithes and offerings.
Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed Me,
even this whole nation.
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house,
and prove Me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts,
if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing,
that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Malachi 3:10

God begins by asking if we would rob Him.
So, straight away, we should see, the tithes are to Him, not to a church.
Render to God the things that are God's.

He says we have robbed Him.
The priests and the churches are fat are rich though.
How rich is Jimmy, and all those TV evangelists?
How rich is the Catholic church?
How big and nice are those new churches we see springing up in the 'burbs?

But we say, Come on God, we haven't robbed You.
I just gave my last week's pay to my church. How have I robbed You?

God corrects us. Says we are cursed.
Even all of us.

Then comes the commandment to tithe.
Bring meat into the storehouse
that is, where ever Jesus' flesh gets stored in us when we eat it,
so that there is meat in our house from God in heaven.

Do I need to remind you Jesus built us a house in our heavenly Father's mansion?
Didn't think so.

Then God says, this is how we will prove God.
We are not testing Him, but we still need to prove Him.

If God is happy with our tithe,
He opens the window of heaven and pours us out a blessing.
If that happens, then we know God is true.

If we don't get a blessing, there wasn't any room for it.
Jesus wants to write God's law in our hearts,
but many people don't make room for God's law,
so then He cannot bless them.

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The law of course gives us all the full instructions on tithing,
but I just want to use it here to confirm what I am saying Malachi means.
Remember Malachi was a lawkeeper, which is evident throughout his book.

The curse is because we haven't kept His commandments.
Christians flip this to mean keeping the commandments is the curse,
but that is not what Jesus says in the law.

And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God,
but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day,
to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Deuteronomy 11:28

And again.

Cursed be he that confirms not all the words of this law to do them.
And all the people shall say, Amen.
Deuteronomy 27:26

So the curse is not obeying the commandments.
That's how we rob God, by not obeying Him.
The law is the meat.
Tithing is laying up God's words.
The storehouse is our heart and soul.
God's house is heaven.

This is how to eat the flesh of the Son of man as Jesus says to in John 6.
Jesus there is speaking about tithing.

But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven,
where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Matthew 6:20-21

Therefore shall ye lay up these My words in your heart and in your soul,
and bind them for a sign upon your hand,
that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
Deuteronomy 11:18

And I will make them and the places round about My hill a blessing;
and I will cause the shower to come down in his season;
there shall be showers of blessing.
Ezekiel 34:26

Bless you
Paul

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Mailman.

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

And he that takes not his cross, and follow after Me,
is not worthy of Me.
Matthew 10:38

Then said Jesus unto His disciples,
If any man will come after Me,
let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
Matthew 16:24

Paul

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you MOTC.

Your statement shows you do not believe who Jesus is, and what Jesus as done (at Calvary Cross). Question? Why did Paul say, "For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Cor.1:18 NIV

Thank you for asking.

Plainly, crucifixes cannot speak. Can they.

So we have to look at it a bit more deeply (or just follow the herd).

That's why I posted Jesus' sayings that contain the word cross to Mailman Dan.
Those sayings of our Lord show.
1. Jesus wasn't telling people to take up a crucifix.
2. It is OUR cross He is asking us to pick up.
3. Indicates that the cross is following Him
4. Jesus' cross, before He was crucified, was to do the Father's will, and fulfil the law.

Jesus saith unto them,
My meat is to do the will of Him that sent Me, and to finish His work.
John 6:34

Just by accepting a truth. A true physical fact.
That wood cannot preach nor can it message us,
made me go look for a possible other explanation,
which I easily and quickly found by Jesus.

"...but we preach Christ crucified (The Cross): a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles," 1 Cor. 1:23 NIV

Believing crucifixes preach.
Believing crucifixes can save.
Believing preaching about crucifixes saves.
It is all foolishness to me.

Jesus gave me another meaning which actually makes logical sense,
which I have now also given to you.

"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified (The Cross)." 1 Cor. 2:2

To fulfil this verse from Jesus...

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them,
the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:19

... that I not be a least in Heaven,
I had to study His law, and get to know it.

FYI: The Cross means the same thing as The Blood of Jesus and the Finished Work.

I can only agree,
it sure does finish it for them that believe in the cross.
But I'll stay believing in Jesus, thank you.

One cannot drink a crucifix,
but one can drink the law, and be led to Jesus.
Paul

 

[comingfrom]

Sorry for the typo.

I overlook them.

Happens to all of us
I do preview and check.
Later, if I read them again, I see more.

Spirits of error that creep in.
Paul

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Zmouth.

Jesus answered the question of tithing and receiving in the parable of the tribute. But faith comes by hearing which is the reason that worshipping is placing value (money) in the word of God which is not the superscription, despite what you might hear some define it in their postings.

Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? Luke 20:22

Shall we give, or shall we not give? [See Proverbs 17:16] But he, knowing their hypocrisy [See John 3:11], said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it. [See Proverbs 23:23]
Mark 12:15

So how did he know their hypocrisy? If one considers John 3:11, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness." Which is basically the premise upon which science is founded upon: the known and observed universe. So what do you see in written in Proverbs 17:16 ?


Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. Luke 20:24


So herein the definition of the term 'image' which is clarified in Revelations 20:4: "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;"

You are telling a good story,
but you left off the punch line.

[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]And He said unto them, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]Luke 20:25

What belongs to God that we can give to Him, Zmouth?

I will let you finish it, it is your offering.
Paul

 

[Desertsrose]

Hi Miri,

I agree with you. It also puts us in bondage to tithe. For the rich, they become bound by greed. For the poor, they become bound by guilt because they can't pay a tenth. But they might be able to pay 1%. Or two pennies like the widow.

The very ones who would tell someone they they're under the law or being legalistic for obeying God's word, they tell others it's not legalistic to give a tenth of all they have. Go figure.

Paul says, "Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." Notice Paul says that God loves a cheerful giver, not tither. The 3rd year tithe went to the orphan, the widow, the Levite, the stranger (alien).

Actually there were a lot of rules for the tithe. It wasn't just give a tithe.

The first tithe was for the Levite annually. They didn't have land and didn't work the land. Instead they performed the service of the tent of meeting. Of this tithe, the Levites gave a 10th of a 10th. And what was to be given was from the grain or the wine vat. Isn't that interesting. It's a picture of the body and blood of Christ. Numbers 18.

The second tithe was for when the Israelites went up to Jerusalem to celebrate the feasts annually. All of them partook of the tithe. They ate and drank the tithe, celebrating before the Lord for His goodness and great blessing. Deuteronomy 14

The third tithe went to the orphan, the widow, the Levite, the stranger (alien) every third year.

Giving to anyone in need was always. Deuteronomy 15

With Abraham we notice he gave a one time tithe. And it was from the spoils of war, not on what he had already accumulated. Also, he didn't give to get, he gave because he had already received blessings from the Lord.

Interestingly there was a sabbatical year where the land rested on the 7 year cycle. There was no sowing, planting or harvesting for that year. Their tithe would be less for that year; they would only tithe on the flocks and herds.

The 6th year (every 3rd year) was a bountiful harvest for this reason. And that tithe went into the storehouse for the widow, orphan, Levite and the alien.

So if a person is going to come under the law of the tithe, they must do all of it and not just what they choose to do. It's got to be done God's way if you're going to come back under the law. But then if we do that, we separate ourselves from Christ as the Galatians did for requiring circumcision.

Yes - gross not net and and more, lots more.

I do understand your point really I do.

My point was that there are times a tithe is not enough and God challenges
to give more. That might happen for example to teach us that money cannot
support and save us, as you say that comes from God. It might be that we are asked
to give sacificially (I don’t mean as in give all your money to TV smooth talkers).
It might be that God puts it in your heart to support some evangelistic
undertaking.

We've had a big new church building given to us by God free, it was estimated
to be £20 million but God arranged circumstances in such an amazing way that
it was provided free.

There is one block on site which stands apart from the main church building,
which we have raised funds a few million, to renovate. It’s where the church
offices, and most of the young peoples and children’s work is carried out, along
with councilling facilities.

As a church we gave for that and have built/renovated that debt free.

It might be to support overseas missions etc.

Then as I mentioned in my first post, it might be that God says I would rather
you get out of debt first and free yourself, before giving to me.

As a church we are Christians against poverty centre (there are several in
the UK).

It is a Christian based Work to help people out of debt while showing them
the love of God. Also money management courses are held to help people
budget.

If finances are so tight that you can’t afford it eat for days at a time and rely on
food banks, it makes no sense to tithe. What will you tithe? A tin of beans!

The CAP course teaches people to take responsibility for finances and to
get back into a position where (for Christians), they can start to give
again. In the meantime they consider giving in other ways. God always
honours that and does an amazing work among people who take that course.
It has also led many to Christ.

some may be led to give a lot more than a tithe, than for a time it
might be that you end up receiving that money. After all the money goes
somewhere doesn’t it. It goes to circumstances and people who need it.

My point was that to pick out a figure and say people must give that
percentage, does not allow for God to say I want more or to say, keep
it for the time being and do something else for me instead.

 

[Zmouth]

Thank you, Zmouth.

You are telling a good story,
but you left off the punch line.

And He said unto them,
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
Luke 20:25

What belongs to God that we can give to Him, Zmouth?

I will let you finish it, it is your offering.
Paul

He ain't getting his penny back if that is what you are asking

 

[Miri]

Hi Miri,

I agree with you. It also puts us in bondage to tithe. For the rich, they become bound by greed. For the poor, they become bound by guilt because they can't pay a tenth. But they might be able to pay 1%. Or two pennies like the widow.

The very ones who would tell someone they they're under the law or being legalistic for obeying God's word, they tell others it's not legalistic to give a tenth of all they have. Go figure.

Paul says, "Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." Notice Paul says that God loves a cheerful giver, not tither. The 3rd year tithe went to the orphan, the widow, the Levite, the stranger (alien).

Actually there were a lot of rules for the tithe. It wasn't just give a tithe.

The first tithe was for the Levite annually. They didn't have land and didn't work the land. Instead they performed the service of the tent of meeting. Of this tithe, the Levites gave a 10th of a 10th. And what was to be given was from the grain or the wine vat. Isn't that interesting. It's a picture of the body and blood of Christ. Numbers 18.

The second tithe was for when the Israelites went up to Jerusalem to celebrate the feasts annually. All of them partook of the tithe. They ate and drank the tithe, celebrating before the Lord for His goodness and great blessing. Deuteronomy 14

The third tithe went to the orphan, the widow, the Levite, the stranger (alien) every third year.

Giving to anyone in need was always. Deuteronomy 15

With Abraham we notice he gave a one time tithe. And it was from the spoils of war, not on what he had already accumulated. Also, he didn't give to get, he gave because he had already received blessings from the Lord.

Interestingly there was a sabbatical year where the land rested on the 7 year cycle. There was no sowing, planting or harvesting for that year. Their tithe would be less for that year; they would only tithe on the flocks and herds.

The 6th year (every 3rd year) was a bountiful harvest for this reason. And that tithe went into the storehouse for the widow, orphan, Levite and the alien.

So if a person is going to come under the law of the tithe, they must do all of it and not just what they choose to do. It's got to be done God's way if you're going to come back under the law. But then if we do that, we separate ourselves from Christ as the Galatians did for requiring circumcision.

Must spread some rep about first. Lol

Great reminders.

 

[Miri]

Those of us who do tithe know it is out of a desire to show Him and ourselves we can trust Him to take care of us and that we don't do like the world and trust our ability to make money. Many don't even give God the opportunity to see Him pour down blessings from heaven. Also., when we trust Him to take the first fruits., He blesses the rest and gives us wisdom as to how to use the rest of it. All we have isn't ours anyway., it's His and we are stewards who are very blessed. God the Father is also a wonderful employer.

It's simply wise stewardship.

Like any Bible truth., we need to see the truth from God's perspective. It's not the amount but it's the principle of the tithe I mentioned in my post before. What are our motives? Abraham was not under the law yet he honored God and gave 10% and more. I believe in giving like that.

When we are open to the truth that all we have is Gods., we will act it out in our lives in all areas. Money is a major issue for us humans. It represents our time at work and what we spend money on reflects our lives. In my case and in the case of many., having money was the only thing standing between me and the streets. But that is not really true at all. Jesus is the only one standing between me and the streets.

Have you ever tried to give 10% of your income? I'll say it's a major chunk humanly speaking., enough for a car payment. When I physically give the money I earn "away" and am trusting God to do with it as He pleases I'm acting in faith that God is reeeeaallly evolved in my life. This is reeealllly His money. He is REALLY here and He is REALLY my Father and Jesus is REALLY my Savior and Shepherd and His promises are real.

So real that what seems to be more real and solid (from our limited flesh and blood eyesight) like money in hand .....isn't. It's about where my trust is and it matters for me and for Jesus. Even my little bit of giving shows me and God where my trust is. And He has blessed me as I go. This is not a rule that we have to do. This is something that we have to be called to. If you're not called to this than don't do it. As was posted here., we don't give out of guilt or fear. For me it's a matter of trust and an act of faith and because of Jesus., it all works out.

My situation showed me clearly from where my help really comes from. And I was so moved by the love of Christ for me I began depending not on money anymore. Instead I put that faith and dependence on my Father God. Jesus promises to take care of us when we lean on trust and rely on Him for all our needs in our lives. Our faith steps out and things happen.

Seriously., sooo many years our family said we trusted God yet we held on to all the security this life could give us and we were empty and always lacked. I never knew how to trust God until I began learning how much He loves me in Christ. We love God because we learn how much He loved us first. We can't help but want to love Him back and give our lives over to Him. That is what the love of God did for me.

[FONT=&quot]No., you don't understand my point, really you don't. I already said we are free to tithe or not., give or don't give. There is no law that we are under that compels us to tithe. It's up to each person to decide how they are going to give. I simply shared my personal reasons and convictions on the matter that is all. They are not up for debate. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I never said "people must give that percentage" you said that. I've never been asked to give sacrificially since when the Holy Spirit puts it on my heart to give I give. It's' not a sacrifice for me to give His money to someone or some organization. I told you in my previous post that is what I've been learning about finances. All we have is His and we are asked to be good stewards of it. Perhaps you didn't read my whole post? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]As far as net or gross I don't worry about such things. No one is counting pennies least of all God. Now maybe you can really read my post? [/FONT]

I get it, you like to give a tithe and agree with tithing, that’s up to you.
I was explaining it doesn’t have to be a tithe, a tenth, it can be more or less.
Since this thread is about tithing I was explaining why I believe it doesn’t
have to be a tithe.

Im not saying this is you at all but many people who publically brag about
giving a tithe, and question why others don’t tithe, start blustering a bit
when asked, why not give more.

Desertrose put it better than me.

 

[88]

The benefits of tithing and giving are a great asset in our Walk with the Lord***we know the law of sowing and reaping is a substantial part of God's Kingdom***just being aware of this fact is enough Bible to know that financial partnering with the Lord is a great privilege***the benefits of this joining helps us, the Lord's Kingdom, and many that are lost...

***The Benefits of Tithing and Giving/Trusted by God ***One of the keys to finance and abundance in giving and receiving is being trusted by God***God proves us in all things, especially finances and when He sees He can trust us with money this opens new doors of opportunity***(Matthew 25:14-30)---"Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents." (vs. 28) ***this guy already had abundance and yet received more since he proved faithful in handling "wealth"----even the Lord says how can we be trusted with "true riches" (of the Spirit) if we are not faithful with money (Luke 16:11)---We know God tests us and proves us, but we are also encouraged to test and prove God in regard to giving (Malachi 3:10)***if you have loved ones you would like saved there is a way we can sow***we pray for our lost loved ones diligently and this in number one, but have you considered giving to an outreach or missions which you have a burden for to see souls saved---your helping bring in someone elses loved ones---there are those around your loved ones who can also reach them with the Gospel---if we just focus on our loved ones and not the lost are we not "burying" our talent---do you remember the end of the Movie Schindler's List----he realized a little to late that even his watch could have saved and spared souls...

 

[joaniemarie]

My post was indeed sarcastic, not because I harbour any ill will toward you personally (I don't), but because I have been dealing with bad teaching regarding tithing for twenty years. I have seen the "tithe like Abraham tithed" argument many times, and it is never presented in context from someone who advocates tithing for Christians.

I have no problem with people sharing their views, but as this is a discussion forum, it is also reasonable to question views that are not consistent with Scripture. In Christ, we are indeed heirs of Abraham's promise... but that still has nothing to do with tithing. [/QUOTE



I'm all for discussing matters and that's one of the reasons I come here. But the tool some people use here (and often) is sarcasm that seeks to belittle others. And times like last night., I had no desire to try and reason with you who was for sure not interested in reasoning back and forth., And yes., it is taken personally of course since you wrote it to a person... me. You expected to make a point to me with your sarcasm and you only made the point.. you are sarcastically annoying. (smiley smiley)

So, because you have heard "bad teaching" regarding tithing for 20 years., your experiences do not put a stamp on my views on tithing Dino., All you have established is you were under some bad teaching for 20yrs. and are in need to have some good teaching And if you put aside your sarcasm and belittling., maybe you can actually learn something about the consistency some of us have learned in the Bible about why we have chosen to tithe., because after all., none of us "have arrived" not even you.


(sarcasm is highly over rated and it doesn't take much to do it as you can see from my own sarcasm here. All it does is provoke annoyance)

 

[joaniemarie]

I get it, you like to give a tithe and agree with tithing, that’s up to you.
I was explaining it doesn’t have to be a tithe, a tenth, it can be more or less.
Since this thread is about tithing I was explaining why I believe it doesn’t
have to be a tithe.

Im not saying this is you at all but many people who publically brag about
giving a tithe, and question why others don’t tithe, start blustering a bit
when asked, why not give more.

Desertrose put it better than me.

I also read DR post and again will say to you and to DR.., I am not advocating law or most of the things she has learned about the tithe. I post often and a lot about grace and truth., so much so that DR has to "go figure" So no., Am no advocate of law. I do however advocate that all I have is His and that is not bragging it's telling the truth. If you want to argue with that so be it., but please don't presume to judge my motives for giving.

I share here without trying to force my beliefs on tithing on anyone. How we each learn to master our money and not let it master us is a personal choice. No one has to tithe. Yet again, some hear the word tithe and run with it and take allll their baggage from previous teachings along with them into every discussion causing others to have to deal with all that baggage when we didn't cause it. It's not our fault you learned another way to go because of the bad teaching you received before hand on tithing. There is no tithing under the law anymore.

 

[joaniemarie]

***The Benefits of Tithing and Giving/Trusted by God ***One of the keys to finance and abundance in giving and receiving is being trusted by God***God proves us in all things, especially finances and when He sees He can trust us with money this opens new doors of opportunity***(Matthew 25:14-30)---"Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents." (vs. 28) ***this guy already had abundance and yet received more since he proved faithful in handling "wealth"----even the Lord says how can we be trusted with "true riches" (of the Spirit) if we are not faithful with money (Luke 16:11)---We know God tests us and proves us, but we are also encouraged to test and prove God in regard to giving (Malachi 3:10)***if you have loved ones you would like saved there is a way we can sow***we pray for our lost loved ones diligently and this in number one, but have you considered giving to an outreach or missions which you have a burden for to see souls saved---your helping bring in someone elses loved ones---there are those around your loved ones who can also reach them with the Gospel---if we just focus on our loved ones and not the lost are we not "burying" our talent---do you remember the end of the Movie Schindler's List----he realized a little to late that even his watch could have saved and spared souls...

I agree with much of what you said here. But have also learned that if we don't give freely the way we were given to freely., God will go bless someone else. There is no condemnation in not giving but there are missed blessings and opportunities. That is how it is under the new covenant. We can walk in freedom or in slavery to our finances.

 

[comingfrom]

He ain't getting his penny back if that is what you are asking

I don't think that was what I was asking.
But maybe it is.

So you got your penny for the Ferryman.
Paul

 

[Miri]

I also read DR post and again will say to you and to DR.., I am not advocating law or most of the things she has learned about the tithe. I post often and a lot about grace and truth., so much so that DR has to "go figure" So no., Am no advocate of law. I do however advocate that all I have is His and that is not bragging it's telling the truth. If you want to argue with that so be it., but please don't presume to judge my motives for giving.

I share here without trying to force my beliefs on tithing on anyone. How we each learn to master our money and not let it master us is a personal choice. No one has to tithe. Yet again, some hear the word tithe and run with it and take allll their baggage from previous teachings along with them into every discussion causing others to have to deal with all that baggage when we didn't cause it. It's not our fault you learned another way to go because of the bad teaching you received before hand on tithing. There is no tithing under the law anymore.

You really dont understand I was being nice do you. Aw well

The bit in brown I’ve had excellent balanced teaching about giving and also I am adult enough
to draw my own conclusions. I don’t believe something just because someone tells me. A
lesson I learned growing up. Not everything taught in Sunday school is correct for example
but that is another subject.

The bit in blue at least we agree about something. Yet you still keep referring to the tithe. Maybe
we just need a different terminology to avoid further confusion.

 

[Desertsrose]

You really dont understand I was being nice do you. Aw well

The bit in brown I’ve had excellent balanced teaching about giving and also I am adult enough
to draw my own conclusions. I don’t believe something just because someone tells me. A
lesson I learned growing up. Not everything taught in Sunday school is correct for example
but that is another subject.

The bit in blue at least we agree about something. Yet you still keep referring to the tithe. Maybe
we just need a different terminology to avoid further confusion.

Hi Miri,

You are being very kind. But.........you're disagreeing with her and that's why you get the response you do.

I have responded to her kindly in the past as well. And I didn't receive kindness in return.

I enjoyed your posts here and I have observed that you are a very sweet person even when/if we don't agree. Hugs!