The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?

[oldethennew]

the claws of the eagle shall scratch the mouth of the scorner;
the scorner shall be the mourner at the corner of regrettable fate...

God's Reality will stop the debate...

false prophets shall pass the Holy Grail for many to drink',
for the day of evil, doom, and darkness, shall indeed pay the u.s. a visit,
is it not scratching at the 'door'???

 

[garee]

Originally Posted by kennethleehutch

We are living in the end times as the end times began when Jesus rose again from the grave. That being said most of the prophesies spoke about before the return of Jesus have come to fruition. The biggest thing we should be looking for is the building of the third temple in Jerusalem.

Many assume Christ will appear in the flesh for another demonstration.They begin building temples to show their expectation. where does the scriptures say Christ as the Son of man will be reincarnated and the veil will be mended for another demonstration ?

Christ lives in the believer. Whats the wait for? He has either come in the flesh or He has not.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.1Jo 4:1

God is not a man as us. Again where do we find he will come in the corrupted flesh again .Sounds like reincarnation.

 

[garee]

In citing Acts 7:48 you are just misapplying scripture regarding the meaning of the word temple, forcing it to refer to the temple of our bodies opposed to the abomination being set up in the holy place within the literal temple. You also have to ask yourself the question, "If the abomination was referring to the Antichrist standing in our hearts, why would that cause all of Israel to flee out into the desert?" However, the abomination as an idolatrous object standing in the holy place within the temple for all Israel to see, that would cause them to flee out into the wilderness, which is the desolation.

Without parables Christ spoke not hiding the spiritual unseen meaning for the generation of man the literalists who walk by sight .The language of the scripture is poetic . Its why he signified the events in Revelation.

The anti-christs(many) who was already there are defined by 1 John 2:27 -28 . They insist a man must teach therefore usurping the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit, blaspheming the Son of man .

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:26

We are giving the understanding that blasphemy against the Son of man seen will be forgiven and blasphemy against the Son of God, not seen the anointing Holy Spirit of Christ will not be forgiven .

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

When Peter blasphemed the Son of man he was forgiven . it’s the best example of the antichrists at work in the heart or temple of man.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Mat 16:22

 

[abcdef]

Jerusalem is going to fall to Iran (the kings of the East) and Magog (the gentile nations) soon.

There will be no "fleeing" like there was in 70 ad. Lk 21:20-24, with another times of the gentiles beginning.

They will be surrounded.

You dream that this did not happened by 70 ad. and is future. Lk 21:20-24 (fall by the SWORD, CAPTIVE INTO ALL NATIONS, slavery)

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There were at last report, by an Iranian general, that there were 100,000 missiles, ready to fire on Israel from Lebanon alone.

And more everyday.

Add Iran, Syria, Gaza, and maybe Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, and others, add them up????? 200,000,000 men working to kill Israel.

The battle of Armageddon will soon be fought, and Israel will lose.

Everyone in Israel will be killed either by missiles, bombs, artillery, or .....

If there are any survivors, there won't be enough to ever have another Israel in control of this earthly Jerusalem. It will be genocide.

And if the planet were allowed to continue, Israel would be absorbed into the gentile nations and cease to be a unique genetic race (Jacob).

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Every day they chant, death to Israel, do you think that they will show any mercy? Devil spirits? Satanic messengers with breastplates of fire and the words of hell fire and brimstone?

These are the ones spoken of in the 6th trumpet. They cross the Euphrates to attack Jerusalem.

They are the ones of the 6th vial. they meet Israel in the valley of Armageddon.

They are the ones who come up upon the broad plain of the earth and surround Jerusalem just before the fire from heaven.


These 3 events are a picture of the same thing. The gentile nations surrounding Jerusalem restored to Israel.

It is happening now, in front of us.

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What will they say when Iran begins to attack Israel with the support of the nations and Russia?

They may say, "Jesus will come back and save them", but He will not save them in the battle of Armageddon, soon to come.

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What will they say when Jerusalem is surrounded by Iran and Magog forces?

They may say, "Jesus will come back and save them". But Jesus will not come back to save them.

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What will they say, when the armies of Iran and the gentile nations are standing in Jerusalem and Israel is lying dead in the streets?

They will say "Israel is dead and pre-trib cannot be true, therefor there is no God of Israel". Millions will lose faith at that time.

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But then, after 3 1/2 days, the Israelites, the ones who have entered the covenant with Jesus, will stand on their feet , and will be called up to Jesus, we will follow (if still alive). At the 7th trumpet, the last trumpet.

Watch Iran and the gentile nations celebrate the death of Israel (7th trumpet). They will send gifts to each other. They will have the biggest party the world has ever seen.

Then, 3 1//2 days after Jerusalem falls, they will all be waiting, waiting for their savior, waiting for God to choose Cain over Able, Islam over Israel, Satan over Jesus.

Then the resurrection of Israel, true Israel, natural and wild branches, before their eyes, we'll be gone.

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Then, within the hour Rev 11:13, the earthquake and hail of the 7th trumpet,

The earthquake and hail of the 7th vial,

And the fire from heaven.

The enemies of Israel will see the fire coming, the stone will strike directly on Jerusalem.

The enemies of God will be burned up alive, watching it come, getting closer, sobbing, burning.

Like the centurion at the cross after Jesus died, he gave glory to God, truly this was the son of God, but too late, too late.

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[dcontroversal]

Ummmmm...Israel will not lose.....the remnant will prevail and the house of Judah will be as David and the house of David as God and they will consume everything on the left and the right.....see....most people miss the fact that Jesus does indeed return for his saints.....he also returns to defend his people, nation and city..........He will step down and the mount of Olives will cleave in it's midst and he will sweep the earth with the besom of destruction..............

 

[Ahwatukee]

God is not a man as us. Again where do we find he will come in the corrupted flesh again .Sounds like reincarnation.

Do you do any actual reading of the scriptures garee? First of all, when Jesus was on the earth in the flesh he committed no sin. He was not corrupted flesh. When he resurrected, it was in the same body that he was crucified in albeit now immoral and glorified. When the Lord returns to end the age, it will be in the same body that he resurrected in, the same body that he ascended in and in the same body that he sits at the right hand of the Father in. Believing in the bodily resurrection (which is what the word anastasis means) is paramount to salvation.

Many assume Christ will appear in the flesh for another demonstration.

The next time the Lord comes to the earth, it will not be a demonstration, but to end the age, have Satan cast into the Abyss, perform the judgment of the sheep and goats and establish his millennial kingdom on this current earth.

 

[abcdef]

Ummmmm...Israel will not lose.....the remnant will prevail and the house of Judah will be as David and the house of David as God and they will consume everything on the left and the right.....see....most people miss the fact that Jesus does indeed return for his saints.....he also returns to defend his people, nation and city..........He will step down and the mount of Olives will cleave in it's midst and he will sweep the earth with the besom of destruction..............

Most of it is symbolic of the Holy Spirit Kingdom (gift) that began on Pentecost.

And reflects the relationship with God and those in the kingdom.

Pick a passage.

 

[UnderGrace]

now immoral

a little typo me thinks...gave me a little chuckle... since you were refuting the

corrupted flesh

Do you do any actual reading of the scriptures garee? First of all, when Jesus was on the earth in the flesh he committed no sin. He was not corrupted flesh. When he resurrected, it was in the same body that he was crucified in albeit now immoral and glorified. When the Lord returns to end the age, it will be in the same body that he resurrected in, the same body that he ascended in and in the same body that he sits at the right hand of the Father in. Believing in the bodily resurrection (which is what the word anastasis means) is paramount to salvation.



The next time the Lord comes to the earth, it will not be a demonstration, but to end the age, have Satan cast into the Abyss, perform the judgment of the sheep and goats and establish his millennial kingdom on this current earth.

 

[Bladerunner]

Ummmmm...Israel will not lose.....the remnant will prevail and the house of Judah will be as David and the house of David as God and they will consume everything on the left and the right.....see....most people miss the fact that Jesus does indeed return for his saints.....he also returns to defend his people, nation and city..........He will step down and the mount of Olives will cleave in it's midst and he will sweep the earth with the besom of destruction..............

DC did you know, that in the midst of the Mount of Olives runs a fault line.

 

[dcontroversal]

DC did you know, that in the midst of the Mount of Olives runs a fault line.

Ummmmm...seems I heard that before and something along the lines of the earthquake opening it up when Jesus bled on the cross and his blood dripped upon the mercy seat of the ark of the covenant which had been hidden there during the time of Jeremiah before Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians......

the latter is all speculation I suppose.....but if proven....way cool.....

 

[abcdef]

Ummmmm...Israel will not lose.....the remnant will prevail and the house of Judah will be as David and the house of David as God and they will consume everything on the left and the right.....see....most people miss the fact that Jesus does indeed return for his saints.....he also returns to defend his people, nation and city..........He will step down and the mount of Olives will cleave in it's midst and he will sweep the earth with the besom of destruction..............

How is it that the people of Jerusalem are ravished and half go into captivity? Zech 14:2.

Zech 14:4-5, If Jesus comes, why would the people flee from Jerusalem?

What is living water, Zech 14:8? How is it that the living waters flow to the sea?

 

[garee]

Do you do any actual reading of the scriptures garee? First of all, when Jesus was on the earth in the flesh he committed no sin. He was not corrupted flesh. When he resurrected, it was in the same body that he was crucified in albeit now immoral and glorified. When the Lord returns to end the age, it will be in the same body that he resurrected in, the same body that he ascended in and in the same body that he sits at the right hand of the Father in. Believing in the bodily resurrection (which is what the word anastasis means) is paramount to salvation.


Yes I have been reading for quite a while. Do you ever search for the spiritual meaning hid in parables, the faith principle ?

I did not say he sinned. He was living in corrupted flesh proven by the fact it aged in a decaying process that leads to death. His flesh profited for nothing It was the unseen work of pouring out His Spirit as the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The next time the Lord comes to the earth, it will not be a demonstration, but to end the age, have Satan cast into the Abyss, perform the judgment of the sheep and goats and establish his millennial kingdom on this current earth.

And the Lord is already here living in the hearts of new creatures.

2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

He will on the last day, judgement day for the unbeliever and the second and last resurrection for any work he will perform under the sun in the twinkling of the eye the Son and the moon will no longer be needed .

On the last day he will not come by sight but like a thief in the night. He will not take the believer unexpected we expect him to come on the last day, the last trump as the voice of God saying; rise receive your new incorruptible bodies.

God is not a man as us never was never will be.

The one time outward demonstration is over the veil is rent.

2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

There will be no literal thousand year reign on this corrupted creation, no purpose for it. .The word thousand years signified in that parable represents a unseen thief in the night coming in at a unknown time. God simply does not number time or persons.

 

[dcontroversal]

How is it that the people of Jerusalem are ravished and half go into captivity? Zech 14:2.

Zech 14:4-5, If Jesus comes, why would the people flee from Jerusalem?

What is living water, Zech 14:8? How is it that the living waters flow to the sea?

Take it up with God

In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

 

[abcdef]

Take it up with God

Yes. It's the way to go.

In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David;

In the church/kingdom, the spirit.

and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them

Jesus the Spirit of God, the church, the kingdom, Israel.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

At the time that this passage was originally written (Zech) many Israelites were still in foreign lands, Egypt and Assyria mentioned specifically in Zech 10:10. The promise is to bring them back to Jerusalem and punish those nations.

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications:

The gift of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

John 19:36, "For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, ..., v 37, ... They shall look on him whom they pierced."

John says this was fulfilled at the cross.

 

[louis]

Louis, this is good to know.... When you get down to studying the Book of Daniel, you will find that the Abomination of Desolate which happened in 167 BC was foretold by Daniel and this was what Jesus was referring to that it would happen again in future times. The key to that is the "streets and walls will be built"


Daniel is a fascinating book and actually begin the Age of the Gentiles. A hint to help you. chapters 2 through 8r are written in Aramaic depicting the events in these concern the gentiles more than the Jewish people.and Chapter 9 through 12 returns to Hebrew. Also, be advised that the chapters are not in order as they happen.

Have fun.

The events in Daniel chapter 7 and 8, which include the 70th week with the abomination of desolation in Daniel 9:27, the angel informs in Daniel 8:17 & 19 correspond to the end times. What end times do you understand occurred in the 2nd century BC?

Daniel 8:17 [FONT=&quot]So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.[/FONT]

 

[Snoozy]

who came up with the idea that old testament prophecies about israel are now not applicable to israel but to the church?
thats where u can get all kinds of false doctrine.

 

[heartofdavid]

Listen....you will not change my mind....I have been where you are and the imminent return does not jive with scripture...there is one body presence of JESUS and ALL things must jive with ONE COMING not two, three or six and PAUL was clear....the coming of JESUS, our gathering is only a thief to those who are IGNORANT of the signs......

a. The saved, lost religious, every eye, kindred, tongue and nation will see him come in the clouds with glory and the exact way he left.

b. His coming is heralded by the lights going out (sun, moon and stars)

c. His coming is heralded by the appearance of the man of sin and the apostasy en masse

d. His coming is at the 7th and final trump (states clearly that the mystery shall be finished and time no more)

e. His coming is heralded by all the signs listed in Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13 AFTER the great tribulation

f. His coming is announced by the SIGN of his COMING in the heavens

g. His coming is POST tribulation/PRE-wrath which is ANNOUNCED IN HEAVEN as BEING HERE at the 7th TRUMP not at the 6th seal by LOST MEN hiding in caves

I dogmatically defended the imminent return just as you do...closed minded and thinking ALL were ignorant if they did not believe it was LIKE a thief in the night and in a MOMENT, in the twinkling of an eye.......

SORRY....not happening that way......too many scriptures, words, contexts must be swept away to believe it......

He does not touch the earth in the pretrib rapture as is vividly depicted in mat. 25.

Nor does he touch earth in rev 14. Which is a mid trib gathering.

You can call it "comings" if you will, but it debunks postrib rapture big time

 

[heartofdavid]

who came up with the idea that old testament prophecies about israel are now not applicable to israel but to the church?
thats where u can get all kinds of false doctrine.

Israel becoming a nation basically threw a monkey wrench in all historicist doctrine.

How do they anull it??
By saying the wild things they say.

It works ,becuse, in their minds they believe it.

 

[heartofdavid]

Take it up with God

In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Glorious verses sir.
Thanks

 

[Snoozy]

Israel becoming a nation basically threw a monkey wrench in all historicist doctrine.

How do they anull it??
By saying the wild things they say.

It works ,becuse, in their minds they believe it.

hi there uce. u know in the 1800s there were some preachers who read the old testament and said israel will return to the land so all this will be fulfilled.
they didnt spiritualize it to the church

those men had alot of faith to say that. they were mocked for it at the time surely. in the 1800s it was under the ottomans empire. but now look israel is back.


i see that the historicist protestants had completely different views than they do now. they keep moving the target so u can never land a bullseye.