The burden of the Lord

[comingfrom]

exactly. which is why i omitted it, because His will for me to do and His commands are the same.

How do you know if you omitted it?

Many Christians told me that,
and that they keep all the commandments by faith,
but when I looked at the letter of the law, and compared to the things they teach,
they are not nearly the same.

i would appreciate it if you will direct me to the place where i spoke against His Law.

When you said you omitted it.

That is implying God doesn't mind if we omit His law.
But that isn't what God says in His law.
So you are speaking against God, and against His law.

Look what God says, in His law.
The part which is telling us what we must do when Jesus and the kingdom come.

And it shall be, when he sit upon the throne of His kingdom,
that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book
out of that which is before the priests the Levites:
And it shall be with him,
and he shall read therein all the days of his life:
that he may learn to fear the LORD his God,
to keep all the words of this law and these statutes,
to do them:
That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren,
and that he turn not aside from the commandment,
to the right hand, or to the left:
to the end that he may prolong his days in His kingdom,
he, and his children,
in the midst of Israel.
Deuteronomy 17:19

This commandment was given to me when I turned to Jesus.
Christians gave me this book and said here, it is God's word.
And Jesus, and St Paul, and St James, and St John, all say to do it all.
That it will bless us if we do.

But all I hear from Christians is, can't be done, old, no longer needs to be observed, I omitted it.
And a million letters are written daily to that effect.
And they are living by their own letters rather than by the letter of God's law.
Aren't they?
And they have faith in their faith.
Don't they?
They have a lot of faith that God won't perish them for ignoring His written law.
So do the Atheists.

Not me.
I believe God,
that He will perish us, if we are not faithful in all His law
Paul

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:9​

 

[gb9]

How do you know if you omitted it?

Many Christians told me that,
and that they keep all the commandments by faith,
but when I looked at the letter of the law, and compared to the things they teach,
they are not nearly the same.

When you said you omitted it.

That is implying God doesn't mind if we omit His law.
But that isn't what God says in His law.
So you are speaking against God, and against His law.

Look what God says, in His law.
The part which is telling us what we must do when Jesus and the kingdom come.

And it shall be, when he sit upon the throne of His kingdom,
that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book
out of that which is before the priests the Levites:
And it shall be with him,
and he shall read therein all the days of his life:
that he may learn to fear the LORD his God,
to keep all the words of this law and these statutes,
to do them:
That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren,
and that he turn not aside from the commandment,
to the right hand, or to the left:
to the end that he may prolong his days in His kingdom,
he, and his children,
in the midst of Israel.
Deuteronomy 17:19

This commandment was given to me when I turned to Jesus.
Christians gave me this book and said here, it is God's word.
And Jesus, and St Paul, and St James, and St John, all say to do it all.
That it will bless us if we do.

But all I hear from Christians is, can't be done, old, no longer needs to be observed, I omitted it.
And a million letters are written daily to that effect.
And they are living by their own letters rather than by the letter of God's law.
Aren't they?
And they have faith in their faith.
Don't they?
They have a lot of faith that God won't perish them for ignoring His written law.
So do the Atheists.

Not me.
I believe God,
that He will perish us, if we are not faithful in all His law
Paul

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:9​

God's law, in the Torah, was given to Israel only. note how many times the phrase " to the children of Israel appears. gentiles were never under the law, never commanded to keep the Sabbath.

the New Covenant commands - Believe in Jesus, love one another.

 

[notmyown]

How do you know if you omitted it?

Many Christians told me that,
and that they keep all the commandments by faith,
but when I looked at the letter of the law, and compared to the things they teach,
they are not nearly the same.

When you said you omitted it.

That is implying God doesn't mind if we omit His law.
But that isn't what God says in His law.
So you are speaking against God, and against His law.

Look what God says, in His law.
The part which is telling us what we must do when Jesus and the kingdom come.

And it shall be, when he sit upon the throne of His kingdom,
that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book
out of that which is before the priests the Levites:
And it shall be with him,
and he shall read therein all the days of his life:
that he may learn to fear the LORD his God,
to keep all the words of this law and these statutes,
to do them:
That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren,
and that he turn not aside from the commandment,
to the right hand, or to the left:
to the end that he may prolong his days in His kingdom,
he, and his children,
in the midst of Israel.
Deuteronomy 17:19

This commandment was given to me when I turned to Jesus.
Christians gave me this book and said here, it is God's word.
And Jesus, and St Paul, and St James, and St John, all say to do it all.
That it will bless us if we do.

But all I hear from Christians is, can't be done, old, no longer needs to be observed, I omitted it.
And a million letters are written daily to that effect.
And they are living by their own letters rather than by the letter of God's law.
Aren't they?
And they have faith in their faith.
Don't they?
They have a lot of faith that God won't perish them for ignoring His written law.
So do the Atheists.

Not me.
I believe God,
that He will perish us, if we are not faithful in all His law
Paul

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:9​

i omitted something YOU said from a post you wrote, not something God said.

can you not perceive the difference?

i do agree with you that God 'will perish us, if we are not faithful in all His Law'.
unless we are IN CHRIST, who fulfilled all the Law for us perfectly. this does NOT mean there is no law for Christians to obey.

But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” (Gal 3:12)

but i doubt you perceive that difference, either. repent and believe the Gospel, if peradventure God will grant it.

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Trofimus.

If your boss will tell you, after you begin in the job, what are your tasks and after several years you will get promoted and will get another set of tasks to do (some similar to the first ones, some different), you are the one still doing the first job.

She is doing the new job.

Which one of you is against the boss´ will?

It is a promotion?

You go from obeying all His commandments to teaching some need not be obeyed?
And you got that promotion from Jesus, your boss?

I find that very hard to believe.
I think you never did the boss' commandments from the time you began the job.
Because if you did, you would know that you are speaking unrighteously now.

---
Jews were servants. We are sons/daughters. Different rules apply.

Jews are God's people. God's children.
Maybe you aren't a Jew.
And that's why God's word isn't for you.

But if you say you are a child of God,
then you are in effect saying you are Jew, but you aren't really?
?

Jesus circumcised me.
His circumcision was my salvation.
I got a new name, and was entered into Israel, the kingdom of God.
So His commandments which He gave to Moses in Horeb are for me.

How was He for you?
Paul

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;
and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;
whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 2:29​

 

[trofimus]

Thank you, Trofimus.
It is a promotion?

You go from obeying all His commandments to teaching some need not be obeyed?
And you got that promotion from Jesus, your boss?

I find that very hard to believe.
I think you never did the boss' commandments from the time you began the job.
Because if you did, you would know that you are speaking unrighteously now.

Jews are God's people. God's children.
Maybe you aren't a Jew.
And that's why God's word isn't for you.

But if you say you are a child of God,
then you are in effect saying you are Jew, but you aren't really?
?

Jesus circumcised me.
His circumcision was my salvation.
I got a new name, and was entered into Israel, the kingdom of God.
So His commandments which He gave to Moses in Horeb are for me.

How was He for you?
Paul

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;
and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;
whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 2:29​

When Jesus died on the cross, the only one who filled all the Law requirements, He then established a new covenant with us, His true people.

And this new covenant containts different set of rules. Some are similar to the old ones (do not kill, do not lie, do not steal etc), some are different (love your enemy) and some just do not apply anymore (clean/unclean animals, sabbath).

You are still persisting that the old one is what we must obey. No, its the new one that we must obey.

When you obey the old covenant, you are disobeying the actual one.

 

[Studyman]

hooray, not picking and choosing and leaving things out!

wait - then why did you cut off this quote so abruptly?
which things did Paul continually say, things that Moses and the prophets declared should come? you left out the most important part! the part where Paul states clearly what message he proclaimed, for which he faced death at the hands of the rulers of the Law!

was his message the Law?

nope:

To this very day, I have obtained help that comes from God, and I stand and testify to both small and great, saying nothing else than what the prophets and Moses said would take place — that the Messiah must suffer, and that as the first to rise from the dead, He would proclaim light to our people and to the Gentiles.​

You ignored most of the post. My point is you all use the following statement to justify your church traditions and doctrines.

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

But you never even examine or discuss these words from the same Paul.

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Of course you aren't interested in scripture that can't be used to support your traditions or gospel. Very common tactic. My point was to show the Biblical fact that Paul didn't make stuff us, He repeated what the Old Testament taught. I used scriptures to support this belief. There are many, many more I could have used including the one you mentioned. But I am not writing a book. If you refused to see the point of my post with the scriptures used, then adding one more would have made no difference and you know it.

Your way you pick and choose my words to try and paint a picture that is not representative of my belief reminds me of a joke I once heard.

An old married couple were arguing one day and the wife got very upset with him. She yelled "You are Lazy, unfaithful, and your feet stink."

The man puffed out his chest and yelled back, "Don't lie about me, my feet do not stink".

not the Law - the Messiah!!

Everything written in the Law and the Prophets are in regards to the Messiah one way or another. The preaching that we ignore all scripture accept those that mention His name is foolishness.

what's a "

Messiah" ?
why did a Messiah have to come? have to suffer? have to rise from the dead? have to become light to all man, not just those who had been given the Law?

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

We need a Messiah to wipe our slate clean. To remove our sins so we can start fresh and "Work" towards faith in God and not faith in our own mind, which caused our death in the first place.. I would post scripture but you will ignore anyway.

what do the answers to those questions say about us,

We don't need your questions to describe mankind. Jesus already told us who we are. We just need to have "FAITH" in His Words over our own mind.

Jer. 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

10 I(Jesus) the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

So do we follow Jesus and His Word's and Work's, or do we follow a church that transgresses His Word's by their evil, deceitful, wicked doctrines and traditions of men they call "good"?

about the Law, the purpose of it and our own purpose

,

Once again, Jesus inspired the answer to this question, we need look only to Him for our answers.

Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So these scriptures, that you never address, are also part of our instruction. The Bible isn't a place where you can pick and choose scripture and expect to understand it. That is the point I was trying to make with Megenta. But because it cast's doubt on church doctrine she won't acknowledge the point or even discuss it. Like you, it is much easier just pick a word of lack of word and reject, deflect, ignore the point of the post.

and about reconciliation with God, how to be justified in His sight?

Again, Jesus has already given us this answer. It's just that most people have created their own version of Jesus and have rejected the Jesus of the Bible.

Deut. 30:15 See, I(Jesus) have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;


16 In that I(Jesus) command thee this day to love the LORD thy God,(first and Greatest Commandment) to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live ( 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.) and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods,(Images of their god created in the likeness of man) and serve them;(Transgress the Commandments of God by your own doctrines and traditions)
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
The point of my post to Megenta was to prove that Paul believed and taught the same teaching. Right down to explaining to the Gentiles that regardless of what the Mainstream Church of that time were preaching, We are no longer cleansed by the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works and Deeds of the Law" for remission of sin. We are now cleansed by the Blood of the Christ of the Bible.

This is what Paul taught.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

And Jesus will judge them by their works Whether they had faith in Him, or the long haired men's hair shampoo model they created.

 

[Grandpa]

Hi Grandpa.

Thank you for this.

Are you?



Thank you for the passage. (I do know it)

I follow the law of righteousness because I have faith in God's words.

God's righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and His law is the truth.
Psalm 119:142

And you think you can do that without following the law for righteousness?

When the law condemns me, that is how I know when I am not perfect,
and have to reprove.

How do you tell when you are perfect, and when not?

I want the result that comes from keeping the law.
Doing it leads one to Christ.

The Christians who first prayed Jesus blood on me chastised me.
They said the baptism is only once. I shouldn't summon Jesus again and again.

But it was so good. Why only once?
Don't you like being in the presence of the Lord?

The commandment says to do His feasts in their seasons.

Besides, I am not perfect yet.

And it is true.
The Catholic and other churches make Jesus' flesh and blood to fulfil the commandments in law.
Many others say to just have faith that you are fulfilling it.
Either way, they are all trying to fulfil the law.

Only they do so by their own works,
or by having faith they do it without doing it (which is the extent of their work).
I try to fulfil the law by doing the law.

And hey, I might not be good at it.
But I know, God knows how hard each of us try.

I keep the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

St Paul teaches the commandments of the law also,
but you cling to the few verses which you think says to avoid the law.

I notice there are some people doing good exegesis on those verses at this forum,
to find out why they appear to contradict all God's words (but don't really).
So I won't do it here.


Moses describes the righteousness of the law.

So ignorance of the law of Moses is ignorance of God's righteousness.
Jesus said to seek God's righteousness first,
and now I have what you Gentiles seek.

The doers of the law are justified before God.

So those that are not coming to it, and not doing it, are who have hit the stumbling blocks.
Isn't it.

Anytime time they see anyone advocating the law, or teaching a commandment of God,
it's back to Romans and Galatians for them.
Wouldn't you rather be doing Jesus' works,
than working at steering people away from Him?

You know the law leads to Christ.

If we hear Jesus' words, and believe in God that sent Him,
then we won't be condemned, but will have life,
said Jesus.

But you are saying,
if we hear Jesus' words, and believe in God that sent Him,
then we are not listening to St Paul, whom you believe says to not hear Jesus,
and to not do the law of the God who sent Him?

For you that is faith in Christ.

These verses confirm me, btw.

I believe them.
And I believe you that we need to do them by faith, with Jesus at our side.
But then you complain that I confess I do that.
Then tell me I should do that.

Hear Jesus
Believe God who sent Him
Paul

Receive, I pray thee, the law from His mouth,
and lay up His words in thine heart.
If thou return to the Almighty, thou shalt be built up,
thou shalt put away iniquity far from thy tabernacles.
22:22-23​

Romans 7:4 [FONT=&quot]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

[/FONT]Galatians 2:19-21
[FONT=&quot]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


2 Corinthians 3:13-15
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[FONT=&quot]13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Ephesians 1:16-18
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[FONT=&quot]16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Hebrews 7:18-19
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[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

2 Corinthians 3:5-8
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[FONT=&quot]5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[/FONT]
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[Studyman]

Yes it is necessary. And all Gospel preachers worth their weight in salt do command by the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ all men everywhere to repent. You seem to think that everyone here is just a lawless antinomian?

Try listening to preachers like Paul Washer and Tim Conway, and then imply that we dont preach repentance.

It always comes down to the Glory, who gets it? Man or God? If you take the Pelagian view of I repent I follow I obey, you can get to the judgment seat and pat yourself on the back, atta boy you did it!
But thats not how it goes. Its God who saves, God who grants repentance, God who regenerates, God who gives a new heart.
Its all about WHO gets the Glory for man's salvation and the answer is always GOD.

Less man, more God.

Wow, that is so beautiful How can I argue with that. It's no wonder so many billions of people are on the path you preach.

But for Me, God is the one who creates instruction, not men. I don't believe God made mistakes, or created instructions impossible to follow, them slaughter thousands who couldn't follow it. That is man's preaching.

I believe Jesus created all things before becoming a man as it is written. He created Holy and Unholy, Clean and Unclean. He created the Law, the commandments, His Salvation plan which began with Passover, it didn't end there. I don't believe Jesus wants us to forget his Salvation plan, that's man's teaching.

I believe His warning about satan disguising itself as Christians, Coming in His name to deceive. I believe "MANY" will claim Him as their God by because they refuse to believe His Word's(Have faith in Him) they will perish in "THAT DAY". I don't believe we can create our own salvation, that is man's teaching.

1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I'm sure you mean well sir, and you probably truly believe all the traditions and doctrines created by man that is "Mainstream Christianity". From singing "Happy Birthday Jesus", to the creation of images of your god in the likeness of men

But if you really believed "More God, Less man", it seems you would run from these religious franchises as fast as you could and repent and beg God to forgive you for doing the exact same things those who were destroyed in the wilderness for doing.

I understand the cost and humiliation as I lived it 20 years ago. But even if God gives me what I deserve in the end, It will still have been worth it all just for the understanding of His Word that He gave me.

I hope somewhere inside your mind, you will be stirred enough to consider. But I remember the pull of the Path which has all the people on it.

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, GB.

God's law, in the Torah, was given to Israel only. note how many times the phrase " to the children of Israel appears. gentiles were never under the law, never commanded to keep the Sabbath.

the New Covenant commands - Believe in Jesus, love one another.

Didn't Jesus give you a new name when He circumcised your heart?

I mean, I don't understand how you don't know yet, that God is the God of Israel.
And if He is the God of Israel, why you don't call yourself Israel.

Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them,
and that they, even the house of Israel, are My people, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 34:30

Bless God, you rebellious children of Israel.
All you want to do is put away His word
Paul

Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken,
I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against Me.
The ox knows his owner, and the ass his master's crib:
but Israel does not know, My people do not consider.
Isaiah 1:2-3​

 

[trofimus]

Thank you, GB.
Didn't Jesus give you a new name when He circumcised your heart?

I mean, I don't understand how you don't know yet, that God is the God of Israel.
And if He is the God of Israel, why you don't call yourself Israel.

[FONT=&]Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them,
and that they, even the house of Israel, are My people, saith the Lord GOD.[/FONT][FONT=&]
[/FONT]Ezekiel 34:30

Bless God, you rebellious children of Israel.
All you want to do is put away His word
Paul

Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken,
I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against Me.
The ox knows his owner, and the ass his master's crib:
but Israel does not know, My people do not consider.
Isaiah 1:2-3​

God is God of all the universe, not just of Israel.

There is an interesting point behind the Acts of apostles. When you read it you will realize that it all started in Jerusalem and lead to Rome, where the book ends.

 

[comingfrom]

My apologies, notmyown.

i omitted something YOU said from a post you wrote, not something God said.

can you not perceive the difference?

Since we were talking law versus faith, I thought you were saying you omitted the law to follow your faith.

My mistake.

i do agree with you that God 'will perish us, if we are not faithful in all His Law'.
unless we are IN CHRIST, who fulfilled all the Law for us perfectly. this does NOT mean there is no law for Christians to obey.

But it does mean Christians can teach to not observe the law. Apparently. To them.
Since many of you are doing it.

How is that keeping it by faith?

But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” (Gal 3:12)

St Paul is taking that straight from Leviticus.
Do you realize?
Leviticus 18:5 (it is written in my heart, is how I live by it).

The law is from God, and you have faith in Him, don't you?
And that's why St Paul calls the law of Moses the law of faith.
The law for righteousness.
The law of Spirit.

Because God's Spirit, our Lord Jesus, gave it to Moses.
Yes?

but i doubt you perceive that difference, either. repent and believe the Gospel, if peradventure God will grant it.

What is the gospel, to you?

I repented to believe in all of God's words.
I thought that was the gospel. Was I naive?
In there God tells us

Therefore shall ye lay up these My words in your heart and in your soul,
and bind them for a sign upon your hand,
that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
Deuteronomy 11:18

Jesus reminded us again to do that, in the NT gospels.
Even double verily reminded us.

Verily, verily, I say unto you,
If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death.
John 8:51

I could understand this particular commandment, even before I had faith,
and it is an easy thing God gives us to do.
Free and easy. Just took a bit of my time to do.
So I did it.

Did you do that one yet?
Or do you think you can do that commandment by faith too?
You just have faith that you laid up all the words of Moses' in your heart?

God's law is His treasure to us
Paul

My son, keep My words,
and lay up My commandments with thee.
Keep My commandments, and live;
and My law as the apple of thine eye.
Bind them upon thy fingers,
write them upon the table of thine heart.
Proverbs 7:1-3

But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven,
where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Matthew 6:20-21
​

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Trofimus.

When Jesus died on the cross, the only one who filled all the Law requirements, He then established a new covenant with us, His true people.

I prayed Jesus,
and when He was come, then He made His covenant with me.

Jesus rose for my sake.

And this new covenant containts different set of rules. Some are similar to the old ones (do not kill, do not lie, do not steal etc), some are different (love your enemy) and some just do not apply anymore (clean/unclean animals, sabbath).

Same rules, but I see them differently now.

You offer me your bullocks, why do you not offer them up to our Lord?
He will let you know if the bull you preach is right or night.
Anyhow. That's how He guides me in the law.

You are still persisting that the old one is what we must obey. No, its the new one that we must obey.

I see it as, you no longer praise God's words.

And God's word is Jesus. You know.

When you obey the old covenant, you are disobeying the actual one.

When you say old covenant, you are writing off most of what God tells us in the word.

If I did that, I would be breaking the covenant Jesus made with me
Paul

Incline your ear, and come unto Me:
hear, and your soul shall live;
and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Isaiah 55:3​

 

[comingfrom]

Lol, now I see my typo. Now I can't edit it.

He will let you know if the bull you preach is right or night.

I meant to write, "is right or not".

Bless you
Bless you all.
Paul

 

[trofimus]

I must admit I understand your posts less and less.

I see no answers, only some totaly unrelated proclamations, for example:

I wrote: "You are still persisting that the old one is what we must obey. No, its the new one that we must obey."
Your response to that: "I see it as, you no longer praise God's words. And God's word is Jesus. You know."

Your answers do not seem to be logically connected to my posts.

Also, it seems that you are saying God made some special covenant only with you?

I am really loosing the signal.

 

[Angela53510]

Hi again Angela.
I turn the page and here is another patient exhortation.

Thank you for giving me your best bullocks.
I'll try not to hurt you as I kill them.

For that is what we are doing here, isn't it?
Slaying each other's beasts.

But we both do well to speak to what was said, and not pierce each other.
I hope.
Thank you. But that is the only law I acknowledge too.

I do not disagree with St Paul.
But this is my reasoning.

Our faith is supposed to be in God and Jesus, is it not?
And God's law came by Moses. Yes?
Therefore, the law of Moses is the law of faith.

Thank you.

Do you know how many Christians went to the effort to show me this?
An uncountable number.
They think it excuses them from their debt to do the whole of the law.
Did any of them ever show me the verse from Genesis while they were showing me?
Never. Not once.

So I show it to them.
For this is the reason why Abraham's faith was counted as righteousness.

Because that Abraham obeyed My voice,
and kept My charge,
My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.
Genesis 26:5

Some came back to tell me the law wasn't around yet, in Abraham's day.
Which only shows me they are unwilling to believe God's word in their own holy book.
However Abraham kept the law, he was obedient and kept it,
and that is why his faith was counted for righteousness.

I would say to you, spend more time in the law and the prophets.
If you were teaching out of Deuteronomy and the Psalms your preach would be very different, would it not?

And you would have a totally different understanding,
because Jesus does talk about all the things you are speaking about, in the law,
but He says it very differently to you there.

I see the law as the technical manual for all the things Jesus and St Paul say.
I refer back to the law to see what they are actually talking about,
and when I find it, it is clearer to me because of their words in the New Testament.

I was going to mention earlier,
St Paul also advocates the law of the Spirit,
which is of course also the only law he advocates.

And the Spirit of God gave this law unto Moses
in the mountain of God, and in God's tabernacles.

And God calls us His people Israel.
Paul

Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them,
and that they, even the house of Israel, are My people, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 34:30​

"Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law of faith. 28 For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law." Romans 3:27-28

And:

"Not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph. 2:9

Or the book of Galatians, which is addressed to Judaizers. First Paul says these harsh words, then a few verses down he addresses who he is talking to - those who want to go back to being law keepers!

"I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from Him who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another gospel,but there are some who are troubling you and want to change the good news about the Messiah. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him! 9 As we have said before, I now say again: If anyone preaches to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him!" Gal. 1:6

Paul explains what the gospel is that is false:

"I advanced in Judaism beyond many contemporaries among my people, because I was extremely zealous for the traditions of my ancestors." Gal 1:14

"For he regularly ate with the Gentiles before certain men came from James. However, when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, because he feared those from the circumcision party. 13 Then the rest of the Jews joined his hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were deviating from the truth of the gospel, I told Cephas in front of everyone, “If you, who are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel Gentiles to live like Jews?” Gal 2:12-14

Very concerned that somewhere else you said you were converted by your circumcision, which Paul says that it is a yoke that no one can bear!

"For there are also many rebellious people, full of empty talk and deception, especially those from Judaism.11 It is necessary to silence them; they overthrow whole households by teaching what they shouldn’t in order to get money dishonestly." Titus 1:10-11

"Some men came down from Judea and began to teach the brothers: “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom prescribed by Moses, you cannot be saved!” Acts 15:1

"And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why are you testing God by putting a yoke on the disciples’ necks that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? 11 On the contrary, we believe we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way they are.” Acts 15:8-11
U
When you see the same thing repeated in book after book of the Bible, it is safe to say that you can make a very sound doctrine out of it!

Finally, the Jerusalem council in Acts 15 sends out the following letter to the Gentiles, to reassure them they do NOT have to be circumcised or follow the Levitical laws.

"From the apostles and the elders, your brothers,To the brothers among the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Because we have heard that some without our authorization went out from us and troubled you with their words and unsettled your hearts, 25 we have unanimously decided to select men and send them to you along with our dearly loved Barnabas and Paul, 26 who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who will personally report the same things by word of mouth.28 For it was the Holy Spirit’s decision—and ours—to put no greater burden on you than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from food offered to idols, from blood, from eating anything that has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. You will do well if you keep yourselves from these things.
Farewell." Acts 15:23-29

This person troubling others is you, comingfrom!

"Because we have heard that some without our authorization went out from us and troubled you with their words and unsettled your hearts." Acts 15:24

 

[oldethennew]

coming',
you are but another 'joke' - we pray that you learn to find some peace
and validation in your only Hope of the life that you have been given...

joksters are a 'dime a dozen'...especially repetive ones on this 'site',...

 

[comingfrom]

My apology Trofi,

I was a little harsh there.
So many say "old" to me, for their excuse why they do not keep all of God's words,
and to kill my offerings,
I lose patience sometimes.
Please forgive me.

I must admit I understand your posts less and less.

I see no answers, only some totaly unrelated proclamations, for example:

I wrote: "You are still persisting that the old one is what we must obey. No, its the new one that we must obey."
Your response to that: "I see it as, you no longer praise God's words. And God's word is Jesus. You know."

Your answers do not seem to be logically connected to my posts.

Also, it seems that you are saying God made some special covenant only with you?

I am really loosing the signal.

Didn't He make His covenant with you?
I'm sorry, I thought it was standard when someone is with the Lord,
that they keep His saying.

They don't just keep saying "old".

Those that keep saying "old" are left behind.
They have a lot of ketchup to do, if they are ever going to understand God's law.
Paul

Then shall two be in the field;
the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24:40​

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Angela .

"Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law of faith. 28 For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law." Romans 3:27-28

And:

"Not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph. 2:9

Or the book of Galatians, which is addressed to Judaizers. First Paul says these harsh words, then a few verses down he addresses who he is talking to - those who want to go back to being law keepers!

"I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from Him who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another gospel,but there are some who are troubling you and want to change the good news about the Messiah. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him! 9 As we have said before, I now say again: If anyone preaches to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him!" Gal. 1:6

Paul explains what the gospel is that is false:

"I advanced in Judaism beyond many contemporaries among my people, because I was extremely zealous for the traditions of my ancestors." Gal 1:14

"For he regularly ate with the Gentiles before certain men came from James. However, when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, because he feared those from the circumcision party. 13 Then the rest of the Jews joined his hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were deviating from the truth of the gospel, I told Cephas in front of everyone, “If you, who are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel Gentiles to live like Jews?” Gal 2:12-14

Very concerned that somewhere else you said you were converted by your circumcision, which Paul says that it is a yoke that no one can bear!

"For there are also many rebellious people, full of empty talk and deception, especially those from Judaism.11 It is necessary to silence them; they overthrow whole households by teaching what they shouldn’t in order to get money dishonestly." Titus 1:10-11

"Some men came down from Judea and began to teach the brothers: “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom prescribed by Moses, you cannot be saved!” Acts 15:1

"And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why are you testing God by putting a yoke on the disciples’ necks that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? 11 On the contrary, we believe we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way they are.” Acts 15:8-11
U
When you see the same thing repeated in book after book of the Bible, it is safe to say that you can make a very sound doctrine out of it!

Finally, the Jerusalem council in Acts 15 sends out the following letter to the Gentiles, to reassure them they do NOT have to be circumcised or follow the Levitical laws.

"From the apostles and the elders, your brothers,To the brothers among the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Because we have heard that some without our authorization went out from us and troubled you with their words and unsettled your hearts, 25 we have unanimously decided to select men and send them to you along with our dearly loved Barnabas and Paul, 26 who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who will personally report the same things by word of mouth.28 For it was the Holy Spirit’s decision—and ours—to put no greater burden on you than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from food offered to idols, from blood, from eating anything that has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. You will do well if you keep yourselves from these things.
Farewell." Acts 15:23-29

This person troubling others is you, comingfrom!

"Because we have heard that some without our authorization went out from us and troubled you with their words and unsettled your hearts." Acts 15:24

Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

You do well to keep this commandment.

And if thou bring an oblation of a meat offering baken in the oven,
it shall be unleavened cakes of fine flour mingled with oil,
or unleavened wafers anointed with oil.
Leviticus 2:4

You got the wafers, you got the oil. You even got the incense.
But the oil you have from the Lord appears to be different to the oil I receive.

Even so, I thank you for your judgments
Paul

Great peace have they which love the law:
and nothing shall offend them.
Psalm 119:165​

 

[notmyown]

My apologies, notmyown.
Since we were talking law versus faith, I thought you were saying you omitted the law to follow your faith.

My mistake.

But it does mean Christians can teach to not observe the law. Apparently. To them.
Since many of you are doing it.

How is that keeping it by faith?

St Paul is taking that straight from Leviticus.
Do you realize?
Leviticus 18:5 (it is written in my heart, is how I live by it).

The law is from God, and you have faith in Him, don't you?
And that's why St Paul calls the law of Moses the law of faith.
The law for righteousness.
The law of Spirit.

Because God's Spirit, our Lord Jesus, gave it to Moses.
Yes?

What is the gospel, to you?

I repented to believe in all of God's words.
I thought that was the gospel. Was I naive?
In there God tells us

Therefore shall ye lay up these My words in your heart and in your soul,
and bind them for a sign upon your hand,
that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
Deuteronomy 11:18

Jesus reminded us again to do that, in the NT gospels.
Even double verily reminded us.

Verily, verily, I say unto you,
If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death.
John 8:51

I could understand this particular commandment, even before I had faith,
and it is an easy thing God gives us to do.
Free and easy. Just took a bit of my time to do.
So I did it.

Did you do that one yet?
Or do you think you can do that commandment by faith too?
You just have faith that you laid up all the words of Moses' in your heart?

God's law is His treasure to us
Paul

My son, keep My words,
and lay up My commandments with thee.
Keep My commandments, and live;
and My law as the apple of thine eye.
Bind them upon thy fingers,
write them upon the table of thine heart.
Proverbs 7:1-3

But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven,
where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Matthew 6:20-21
​

freely and willingly i accept your apology.

For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Cor 15:3-4)

For our sake He made Him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. (2 Cor 5:21)


Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.
This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time,

so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:19-26)

That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in Him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification. (Romans 4:22-25)

the Gospel, in a nutshell , but really, i urge you to read the entire book of Romans, and then read it again.
may the Lord bless you with understanding.

 

[Karraster]

Thank you Comingfrom, for your testimony and patience. I've enjoyed reading your thought provoking posts, they are a refreshing change from the house repertoire.

You're right, we should be building each other up, encouraging one another to do good according to the Word. There are not many on CC that make much sense to me, too much double speak and cryptic messages, I don't know what they are trying to say.

If what you are saying is, that if you believe Jesus, know He paid the ransom for our sins, then you surely will strive to be holy as He is holy, and sin no more... He said "if you love me keep my commandments"....I agree.

Also like your humor. (still gentleman)