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BUT IN YOU THERE IS SIN.
I can prove it:
Romans 13:9 (CSBBible)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The commandments, Do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal; do not covet; and any other commandment, are summed up by this commandment: Love your neighbor as yourself.
If one of your neighbors goes to bed hungry, you have FAILED TO:
love your neighbor as yourself.
If one of your neighbors is in fianancial difficulty and you do not give him
your savings, you have FAILED TO:
love your neighbor as yourself.
If one of your neighbors is sick and you do not go to his house to ask how
you can help, you have FAILED TO:
love your neighbor as yourself.
If one of your neighbors is in the Hospital and you do not visit him and take care
of his yard until he is better, you have FAILED TO:
love your neighbor as yourself.
If one of your neighbors is in jail and you do not visit him and offer to pay for his
bail and legal fees, you have FAILED TO:
love your neighbor as yourself.
If one of your neighbors asks to borrow money and you make excuses
not to loan it to him, you have FAILED TO:
love your neighbor as yourself.
If one of your neighbors has a car quits working and you do not loan him your
second car or give it to him, you have FAILED TO:
love your neighbor as yourself.
etc., etc., etc. See you sin all the time.
I agree with this. myself, and a few others constantly get accused of " defending sin ". if you admit truth, you might be called the same.
some on here have little use of truth, they are trying to advance a agenda-based teaching . I have read the Bible through around 20 times. I do not say this to boast, I say this because I understand context, and rightly dividing the Words Of Truth.
I have no agenda, except being as truthful as I can.
some on here have little use of truth, they are trying to advance a agenda-based teaching . I have read the Bible through around 20 times. I do not say this to boast, I say this because I understand context, and rightly dividing the Words Of Truth.
I have no agenda, except being as truthful as I can.
If that were true, then He is not our example to follow.
He had extra weapons to fight against sin.
Not fair at all, to us.
No wonder so many refuse to emulate Him.
Stones:
[h=1]emulate[/h]
[h=3][/h]
[verb em-yuh-leyt; adjective em-yuh-lit]
Spell Syllables
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
verb (used with object), emulated,emulating.1.to try to equal or excel; imitate with effort toequal or surpass:to emulate one's father as a concert violinist.
2.to rival with some degree of success:Some smaller cities now emulate the majorcapitals in their cultural offerings.
3.Computers.
adjective4.Obsolete. emulous
These scriptures are from the ISV
Php 2:3 Do not act out of selfish ambition or conceit, but with humility think of others as being better than yourselves.
Php 2:4 Do not be concerned about your own interests, but also be concerned about the interests of others.
Php 2:5 Have the same attitude among yourselves that was also in the Messiah Jesus:
Now the next verses are poetic. Easy to remember.
Php 2:6 In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping.
Php 2:7 Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming.
In human form he chose to be,
Php 2:8 and lived in all humility, death on a cross obeying.
Php 2:9 Now lifted up by God to heaven, a name above all others given, this matchless name possessing.
Php 2:10 And so, when Jesus' name is called, the knees of everyone should fall wherever they're residing.
Php 2:11 Then every tongue in one accord, will say that Jesus the Messiah is Lord, while God the Father praising.
Php 2:12 And so, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only when I was with you but even more now that I am absent, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him.
He had extra weapons to fight against sin.
Not fair at all, to us.
No wonder so many refuse to emulate Him.
Stones:
[h=1]emulate[/h]
[h=3][/h]
[verb em-yuh-leyt; adjective em-yuh-lit]
Spell Syllables
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
verb (used with object), emulated,emulating.1.to try to equal or excel; imitate with effort toequal or surpass:to emulate one's father as a concert violinist.
2.to rival with some degree of success:Some smaller cities now emulate the majorcapitals in their cultural offerings.
3.Computers.
- to imitate (a particular computer system) byusing a software system, often including amicroprogram or another computer thatenables it to do the same work, run the sameprograms, etc., as the first.
- to replace (software) with hardware to performthe same task.
adjective4.Obsolete. emulous
These scriptures are from the ISV
Php 2:3 Do not act out of selfish ambition or conceit, but with humility think of others as being better than yourselves.
Php 2:4 Do not be concerned about your own interests, but also be concerned about the interests of others.
Php 2:5 Have the same attitude among yourselves that was also in the Messiah Jesus:
Now the next verses are poetic. Easy to remember.
Php 2:6 In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping.
Php 2:7 Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming.
In human form he chose to be,
Php 2:8 and lived in all humility, death on a cross obeying.
Php 2:9 Now lifted up by God to heaven, a name above all others given, this matchless name possessing.
Php 2:10 And so, when Jesus' name is called, the knees of everyone should fall wherever they're residing.
Php 2:11 Then every tongue in one accord, will say that Jesus the Messiah is Lord, while God the Father praising.
Php 2:12 And so, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only when I was with you but even more now that I am absent, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him.
Here is further PROOF that the SABBATH LAW only Pertained to ISRAEL.
Exodus 35:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] "You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day."
Average January Temperatures in Jerusalem are between 45 - 50 degrees F. I live in Nebraska, where the low temperature for the day in January frequently has a minus sign in front of it. And it is not unusual to see some days where the Wind Chill factor is -45 degrees below 0 F. Try to keep that Sabbath Law to the letter in any of the North country regions of this world, and your Pipes will freeze and burst.
Here is what happens when the furnace is off, and pipes in a house freeze and burst:
Now you are sounding like a Pharisee, hunting for an excuse to not be obedient, while continuing to feel Holy and Sinless.
The Point is GOD's Standards are higher than any Mortal can KEEP perfectly.
Luke 10:29 (ASV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he, desiring to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbor?
The Point is GOD's Standards are higher than any Mortal can KEEP perfectly.
Luke 10:29 (ASV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he, desiring to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbor?
If that were true, then He is not our example to follow.
He had extra weapons to fight against sin.
Not fair at all, to us.
No wonder so many refuse to emulate Him.
Stones:
emulate
[verb em-yuh-leyt; adjective em-yuh-lit]
Spell Syllables
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
verb (used with object), emulated,emulating.1.to try to equal or excel; imitate with effort toequal or surpass:to emulate one's father as a concert violinist.
2.to rival with some degree of success:Some smaller cities now emulate the majorcapitals in their cultural offerings.
3.Computers.
adjective4.Obsolete. emulous
These scriptures are from the ISV
Php 2:3 Do not act out of selfish ambition or conceit, but with humility think of others as being better than yourselves.
Php 2:4 Do not be concerned about your own interests, but also be concerned about the interests of others.
Php 2:5 Have the same attitude among yourselves that was also in the Messiah Jesus:
Now the next verses are poetic. Easy to remember.
Php 2:6 In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping.
Php 2:7 Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming.
In human form he chose to be,
Php 2:8 and lived in all humility, death on a cross obeying.
Php 2:9 Now lifted up by God to heaven, a name above all others given, this matchless name possessing.
Php 2:10 And so, when Jesus' name is called, the knees of everyone should fall wherever they're residing.
Php 2:11 Then every tongue in one accord, will say that Jesus the Messiah is Lord, while God the Father praising.
Php 2:12 And so, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only when I was with you but even more now that I am absent, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him.
The point of my post is concerning emulate. A desire to be equal or to surpass....by ones own strength and works.
The scriptures clearly state that our salvation is continually being worked out, and the process is through the scriptures and the power or ability of Holy Spirit, the Spirit of grace.
Jesus finished His work. Positionally, we receive His finished work, but experiencially is every day through faith that we are dead to sin, alive to God.
This doesnt make us perfect, but being perfected or to become mature. A "father" in the faith according to 1John, and patterning self after Paul. Or "mother".
Nor, does it mean that this is done perfectly since we have a soul conditioned to the world. Our soul does not become one with what our Spirit receives all at the beginning of our walk.
And if one is truly honest in heart, one would confess that humanity will always fall short of His glory, but as a body, we get to share it.
Being one with Him is to have Him through His Spirit, flow through us in words of power and acts of love.
He had extra weapons to fight against sin.
Not fair at all, to us.
No wonder so many refuse to emulate Him.
Stones:
emulate
[verb em-yuh-leyt; adjective em-yuh-lit]
Spell Syllables
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
verb (used with object), emulated,emulating.1.to try to equal or excel; imitate with effort toequal or surpass:to emulate one's father as a concert violinist.
2.to rival with some degree of success:Some smaller cities now emulate the majorcapitals in their cultural offerings.
3.Computers.
- to imitate (a particular computer system) byusing a software system, often including amicroprogram or another computer thatenables it to do the same work, run the sameprograms, etc., as the first.
- to replace (software) with hardware to performthe same task.
adjective4.Obsolete. emulous
These scriptures are from the ISV
Php 2:3 Do not act out of selfish ambition or conceit, but with humility think of others as being better than yourselves.
Php 2:4 Do not be concerned about your own interests, but also be concerned about the interests of others.
Php 2:5 Have the same attitude among yourselves that was also in the Messiah Jesus:
Now the next verses are poetic. Easy to remember.
Php 2:6 In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping.
Php 2:7 Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming.
In human form he chose to be,
Php 2:8 and lived in all humility, death on a cross obeying.
Php 2:9 Now lifted up by God to heaven, a name above all others given, this matchless name possessing.
Php 2:10 And so, when Jesus' name is called, the knees of everyone should fall wherever they're residing.
Php 2:11 Then every tongue in one accord, will say that Jesus the Messiah is Lord, while God the Father praising.
Php 2:12 And so, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only when I was with you but even more now that I am absent, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God who is producing in you both the desire and the ability to do what pleases him.
The point of my post is concerning emulate. A desire to be equal or to surpass....by ones own strength and works.
The scriptures clearly state that our salvation is continually being worked out, and the process is through the scriptures and the power or ability of Holy Spirit, the Spirit of grace.
Jesus finished His work. Positionally, we receive His finished work, but experiencially is every day through faith that we are dead to sin, alive to God.
This doesnt make us perfect, but being perfected or to become mature. A "father" in the faith according to 1John, and patterning self after Paul. Or "mother".
Nor, does it mean that this is done perfectly since we have a soul conditioned to the world. Our soul does not become one with what our Spirit receives all at the beginning of our walk.
And if one is truly honest in heart, one would confess that humanity will always fall short of His glory, but as a body, we get to share it.
Being one with Him is to have Him through His Spirit, flow through us in words of power and acts of love.
John 5:19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.
John 12:49
[SUP]49 [/SUP]For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
John 8:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP]So Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.
So instead of making a baseless accusation tell me, if the Holy Spirit does not lead you to do any of the things you said we should do, are you doing it unto the Lord our doing it in your flesh?
Now if the Holy Spirit tells you to empty your savings account of $1000 dollars and give it to your neighbor and you do so, and the neighbor feeds his family and pays his past due electric bill to keep the house wamr/cool,you were walking in the Spirit.
If the Holy Spirit does not tell you to empty your savings account of $1000 dollars and you do give $1000 to your neighbor anyway and he buys drugs with the money, goes on a drug binge and forgets about his hungry kids and they are taken from the home, you were walking in the flesh and have now sinned against yourself and those kids.
We do not obey unless being led to act, just as Jesus always was.
Re: baptism post 205 p. 11
Originally Posted by 7seasrekeyed
"In 1 John 1, John is addressing two kinds of men: some walk in the light and some in the darkness.
If you are walking in darkness, you cannot say you "have no sin".
But if you walk in the light, which was earlier said to be God, you can say you "have no sin".
In the light, all our sins have been washed away.
Thanks be to God!"
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/157961-baptism-11.html
A review on this post founded in 1 John 1:7 is another major blunder to those who adhere, claim and teaches sinless perfectionism. Let’s see what the scripture of truth says:
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Is it true that in the light as the post says, all our sin have been washed away? Does the passage really tell us that being in the light is a means for the washing away of our sins? An error leads to another error.
"In 1 John 1, John is addressing two kinds of men: some walk in the light and some in the darkness.
If you are walking in darkness, you cannot say you "have no sin".
But if you walk in the light, which was earlier said to be God, you can say you "have no sin".
In the light, all our sins have been washed away.
Thanks be to God!"
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/157961-baptism-11.html
A review on this post founded in 1 John 1:7 is another major blunder to those who adhere, claim and teaches sinless perfectionism. Let’s see what the scripture of truth says:
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Is it true that in the light as the post says, all our sin have been washed away? Does the passage really tell us that being in the light is a means for the washing away of our sins? An error leads to another error.
I said that "in the light ALL our sins have been washed away".
To be in God, (light), requires us to have been cleansed already...by the blood of Christ.
I agree.
I agree again, and add that "the point in time" is when we are "immersed" into Christ's death.
Agreed and agreed.
Yep: he wrote it in the first century and was/is effective for me in the twentieth century.
Hi, Fred.
I appreciate your participation.
As to your summation, doesn't the "faltering" man manifest by his sin that he wasn't in the light ?
You must remain in the light for that "cleansing" to be manifested.
Perhaps his next repentance will be the real one, the one where he "turns from"sin, and he will henceforth remain in the light.
We hope.
Like the Priest and the Levite were NOT LED TO ACT?
Luke 10:29-36 (ASV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he, desiring to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbor?
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Jesus made answer and said, A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho; and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] And by chance a certain priest was going down that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And in like manner a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, passed by on the other side.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he was moved with compassion,
[SUP]34 [/SUP] and came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on them oil and wine; and he set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] And on the morrow he took out two shillings, and gave them to the host, and said, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, I, when I come back again, will repay thee.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Which of these three, thinkest thou, proved neighbor unto him that fell among the robbers?
Luke 6:27-31 (NCV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] “But I say to you who are listening, love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you,
[SUP]28 [/SUP] bless those who curse you, pray for those who are cruel to you.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] If anyone slaps you on one cheek, offer him the other cheek, too. If someone takes your coat, do not stop him from taking your shirt.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Give to everyone who asks you, and when someone takes something that is yours, don’t ask for it back.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Do to others what you would want them to do to you.
By meeting the NEEDS of Strangers and Neighbors, we open the door to share the gospel with them.
Luke 10:29-36 (ASV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he, desiring to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbor?
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Jesus made answer and said, A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho; and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] And by chance a certain priest was going down that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And in like manner a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, passed by on the other side.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he was moved with compassion,
[SUP]34 [/SUP] and came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on them oil and wine; and he set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] And on the morrow he took out two shillings, and gave them to the host, and said, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, I, when I come back again, will repay thee.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Which of these three, thinkest thou, proved neighbor unto him that fell among the robbers?
Luke 6:27-31 (NCV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] “But I say to you who are listening, love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you,
[SUP]28 [/SUP] bless those who curse you, pray for those who are cruel to you.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] If anyone slaps you on one cheek, offer him the other cheek, too. If someone takes your coat, do not stop him from taking your shirt.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Give to everyone who asks you, and when someone takes something that is yours, don’t ask for it back.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Do to others what you would want them to do to you.
By meeting the NEEDS of Strangers and Neighbors, we open the door to share the gospel with them.
Obedience to God is a sign of our rebirth from Godly seed.
It is a sign of the death of the old man and our resurrection with Christ to walk in newness of life.
It is a sign of our walking in light.
It is a sign of our walking in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
It is a sign of our faith.
What is ongoing sin a sign of?
It is a sign of the death of the old man and our resurrection with Christ to walk in newness of life.
It is a sign of our walking in light.
It is a sign of our walking in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
It is a sign of our faith.
What is ongoing sin a sign of?
If you are trying to be funny, it isn't working.
Do you consider those reborn of Godly seed as mere men?
Were it so, I could agree with you.
But the reborn have the Holy Ghost in them to guide and protect them.
They have a divine nature that has replaced the one one of self-service to the flesh.
If that is your confession, the next thing you should do is repent of all sin forever, get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins and ask God for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
If your repentance wasn't a lie, you will walk in the light till your last day.
There is no sin in Christ,so to be in Christ requires a true repentance from sin.
May God bless and protect you on your new walk in Christ.
Do you consider those reborn of Godly seed as mere men?
Were it so, I could agree with you.
But the reborn have the Holy Ghost in them to guide and protect them.
They have a divine nature that has replaced the one one of self-service to the flesh.
If that is your confession, the next thing you should do is repent of all sin forever, get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins and ask God for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
If your repentance wasn't a lie, you will walk in the light till your last day.
There is no sin in Christ,so to be in Christ requires a true repentance from sin.
May God bless and protect you on your new walk in Christ.
Amen! John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent, which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.
It is written..."[FONT="]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" (1 John 1:6)
There's no fellowship with God while in the darkness/sin.[/FONT]