sex before marriage?

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I have appreciation for women that don't go around flaunting ther body parts(my friend used to say,"If you aint in business don't advertise" )
Likewise I respect Muslim women for there modesty & submission.
 
1 Corinthians 6:9-10;
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (homosexuals), nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Definition of the word fornication can be found here.
Fornication | Define Fornication at Dictionary.com


Now I see the difference, the dictionary is your Bible ...the grossly misinterpreted dictionary

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says absolutely NOTHING about Pre Marital Sex before marriage by 2 saints

Fornication = illicit sex and lewd acts

Leviticus chapter 18
Fornication = Incest
Fornication = beastiality
Fornication = homosexuality
Fornication = Lesbianism

New testament
Fornication = Adultery, cheating on spouse is adultery and an act of Fornication
Fornication = pornography
Fornication = prostitution
Fornication = worshipping other Gods
Whoredom = sleeping around

NOWHERE AND I REPEAT NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT WHEN 2 SAINTS IN GOD HAVE SEX WHEN SINGLE THEY ARE COMMITTING FORNICATION, PERIOD.

ON THE CONTRARY THIS IS WHAT GREAT YAHWEH HAS TO SAY ABOUT 2 SAINTS

EXODUS 22:16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged to anyone and has sex with her, he must pay the customary bride price and marry her.

Did Yahshua or Paul make a contradicting statement when they said Fornicators will not enter the Kingdom???? OF COURSE THEY DIDNT ....BECAUSE FORNICATION HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH PRE MARITAL SEX BETWEEN 2 SAINTS ....JESUS CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW NOT TO ABOLISH IT....SO STOP HIJACKING SCRIPTURES AND CLINGING ONTO THE WORD FORNICATION WHEN IT IS GROSSLY MISINTERPRETED IN THE DICTIONARY.......YOU WILL FIND NONE OF THE ABOVE FORNICATION ACTS IN DICTIONARY.COM SO WHY IS THAT ??? ILL LET YOU FIGURE IT OUT HOPING YOU WILL COME AROUND THIS TIME.

WHO IS BETTER VERSED THAN ME IN THE LAW?? BRING THEM, WHERE ARE THEY?? THERE IS NONE

WHO IS MY GOD AND WHAT'S HIS SON'S NAME WHO CAN TELL??
 
Seriously? Way to bend scripture to justify premarital sex.

If you believe sex before marriage isn't a sin, why are you trying so hard to prove so, especially since the majority knows it is a sin.

Also, even if sex before marriage isn't fornication, is it holy or righteous? No. So while to you its not "fornication" it is still a sin and immoral.

Fornication - voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.

Adultery - voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.

Adultery is just one subcategory of fornication.

Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Leviticus 11:44
For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Genesis 2:24
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh

1 Corinthians 6:16
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh

Ephesians 5:3
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Matthew 5:27-28
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Colossians 3:5
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry
 
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Fornication - voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other

ANOTHER ONE WHO BELIEVES THE DICTIONARY HAS MORE WEIGHT THAN THE WORD OF GOD

AND AGAIN EXODUS 22:16 If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged to anyone and has sex with her, he must pay the customary bride price and marry her.

These are the exact words of Yahweh, The Lord of Hosts, The Holy One of Israel...is Paul or Jesus contradicting Yahweh??? NO WAY ...because Fornication isnt what its grossly misinterpreted in your silly dictionary...it is a host of other things but not 2 Saints who engage in sex and therefore it is not a sin PLEASEEE people read your Bibles and not just a few scriptures here and there and claim Fornication means this and that ...since 1611 when King James Bible was out this word has been mistranslated...are we to believe that God waiting 1611 yrs to bring us the truth??....there are 30 million Greeks alive today that can read the original UNALTERED scripture ..and these Greeks are not going away and neither is the fact that Christianity keeps redefining itself over and over and over again ....when you want the TRUTH you must go to original Scripture which was written in Greek(new testament) .........NONE and i say NONE of the scriptures you provided prove anything against 2 saints commiting a sin when they engage in pre marital sex as long as this sex leads to marriage. Who is twisting the scripture ...what did Yahweh say to Moses in Exodus 22:16 because i have it right here in my NKJV , NAS , and NIV. I mean you have to be a dummy with Bible Illiterate eyes not to see whats going on , you are the one who is adding on all these illict sex acts and sins to 2 saints who have pre marital sex.

WHO IS BETTER VERSED THAN ME IN THE LAW?? BRING THEM, WHERE ARE THEY?? THERE IS NONE

WHO IS MY GOD AND WHAT'S HIS SON'S NAME WHO CAN TELL??

 
First of all, the word translated "fornication" is porneia and is a broad term that can refer to many different sexual acts that are considered to be improper. Thus, for example, Paul uses the plural noun in 1 Cor. 7:2 to encompass all of these "fornications."

Now it's true that pointing to a verse that says "Do not be sexually immoral" doesn't tell us which sexual acts are immoral and which are moral. In the same way, pointing to a verse that says "do not murder" does not tell us which acts of killing are moral and which are immoral. Obviously not all acts of killing or sex are immoral.

Most of the time this isn't a problem because we all have a common intuitive like notion of which acts of killing are moral and which are immoral.

For instance, none of us really need an argument from Scripture or reason to show us that rape is one of those kinds of sexual acts which is immoral. And none of us really need an argument from Scripture or reason to show us that me killing my uncle Bob simply because he wore a green tie that I didn't like is an instance of murder, or unjust killing.

Unfortunately, there will always be a few people who want to justify their immorality and lack of self-control , like you Chris79, and maybe they have had their conscience seared to the truth by their sin.

Here is an argument to the effect that sex is specifically for the marriage union:

God defined marriage in the following way: Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh (Genesis 2:24). That this is a reference to marriage is demonstrated by Jesus' appeal to it in relation to divorce in Matthew 19:4-6.

The phrase "they shall become one flesh" has reference to sex. This is demonstrated by Paul's reference to the phrase in 1 Cor. 6:16.

Thus, the sexual union is intended by God to be part of the marriage covenant and that it is only part of the marriage covenant is made clear in 1 Corinthians 7:1–2 - "Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: 'It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.' But because of the temptation to sexual immorality (porneias), each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband."

Clearly, Paul's point is that you should have a husband or a wife so that you can fulfill the desire to have sex (if the desire to have sex is a major temptation). Otherwise, you will be tempted to immoral sex, which in context would be sex outside of the marriage union.

Now, Chris79, you present two reasons to try and say that sex outside of marriage is permissible (if you eventually marry the person you have sex with).

First, you appeal to Exodus 22:16 which reads:

“If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife."​

Apparently, you think that the Bible is describing something that is permissible. In other words, the Bible is not simply describing a man seducing a virgin but is giving its stamp of approval to men seducing virgins.

This is mistaken. The word seduces in the Hebrew "has the basic meaning of deceiving someone who is naive or inexperienced. In this context it means to persuade a virgin to have sexual intercourse by deceiving her and taking advantage of her inexperience" (Handbook on Exodus).

Thus, it is obvious that the context of the man "seducing" the virgin is not positive but negative. The seduction is a bad thing. This is even more obvious if you look at the parallel in Deuteronomy 22:28-29:

"If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.​

This is buttressed by the fact that it occurs in a list of other sexual sins of adultery and rape.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Mosaic law does not attempt to institute an ideal state of affairs (nor does any law code). In other words, not all sins are punishable by law (sometimes for obvious reasons: you can't know a persons thought life). In many places the law simply seeks to minimize or curb abuses as much as possible given the conditions at the time.

We have a clear instance of this in Jesus remarks concerning divorce. Jesus said that divorce is never a good thing. But the law allowed divorce in order to curb or minimize what would otherwise lead to greater sins (perhaps murder of the spouse in order to be free of them, no joke). So the fact that the Bible allows for divorce does not mean that the law is giving it's approval to divorce. Rather, the law is simply limiting or curbing abuses which would otherwise take place (such as arbitrary divorces, murder, or the refusal to marry because of it's binding nature, etc.).

So it is insufficient to say "There is a law which limits x, thus x is moral." Besides the obvious non-sequitur, we know this is false in the case of divorce and we also might say that we know it is false in the case of slavery. The Bible gave laws to limit the abuses of slavery, but we cannot therefore conclude that slavery is itself a good thing or permissible.

Likewise, the Bible gives us a law concerning a man who seduces or deceives an unbetrothed virgin. But it would be fallacious to assume that the Bible therefore gives such seduction a stamp of approval.

Secondly, you (apparently) appeal to the fact that it isn't explicitly mentioned (along with masturbation). This line of reasoning can be dismissed very simply:

"Modern societies generally have opted for exhaustive law codes. That is, every action modern society wishes to regular or prohibit must be specifically mentioned in a separate law...Ancient laws did not work this way. They were paradigmatic, giving models of behaviors and models of prohibitions/punishments relative to those behaviors, but they made no attempt to be exhaustive. Ancient laws gave guiding principles, or samples, rather than complete descriptions of all things regulated" (Douglas Stuart, Exodus, 442).

And as I pointed out to Speeder in another thread, there are many things not mentioned in Scripture that we would still consider to be sinful: pedophilia or the genocide of aliens living on Mars. The idea that something needs to be explicitly prohibited in Scripture is absurd.

Those who seek to justify sin and, thereby, lead others away into sin have reason to fear.

Matthew 5:19 "Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven..."


Matthew 18:6 "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."
 
Sex before marriage is wrong, so I'm not sure why everyone needs a lot of scripture to prove an obvious fact.

I think though... from my own list of mistakes... I've come to the conclusion that I always find myself to be the one who is being pressured into sex, not the other way around. The girls always seem to want it from me, instead of me wanting it from them. I've lived my life long enough to know how to resist the whole temptation part of it (even if it isn't easy), but it's definitely harder when whoever I am dating feels the need to make me do it with her. I've been told by a lot of women that I am the first guy that has ever actually turned them down, and they get pretty upset like it means I don't find them attractive. That isn't the case at all. I just find that the Holy Spirit really does make me grieve after I do have sex with a girl... and the longer I stick with doing it, the further away from God I get. It all ends up boiling over eventually, and the relationship ends, and I am stuck trying to claw my way back into God's presence again.

It's almost a no win situation, and so I'm not sure how to keep things in the right perspective with it. Either I give in to make the girl feel better, or I deny her constantly to make myself feel better with my relationship with Christ. Whichever one I choose, I still will end up failing at the relationship. Maybe it's because I've never really dated a completely true christian girl. I don't even know if they exist outside of CC forums, to be honest. I've yet to meet any girl in my life that is completely on fire for God, and even if they were, it's usually because they are less attractive for some reason.

Maybe one day I will find a true christian girl that is completely attractive in my own eyes, and I will count my blessings with that one. Then again, I'm not so sure I'm such a great christian role model myself, and so I probably would be bad for her. Such is my dilemma I guess.
 
Sex before marriage is wrong, so I'm not sure why everyone needs a lot of scripture to prove an obvious fact.

I think though... from my own list of mistakes... I've come to the conclusion that I always find myself to be the one who is being pressured into sex, not the other way around. The girls always seem to want it from me, instead of me wanting it from them. I've lived my life long enough to know how to resist the whole temptation part of it (even if it isn't easy), but it's definitely harder when whoever I am dating feels the need to make me do it with her. I've been told by a lot of women that I am the first guy that has ever actually turned them down, and they get pretty upset like it means I don't find them attractive. That isn't the case at all. I just find that the Holy Spirit really does make me grieve after I do have sex with a girl... and the longer I stick with doing it, the further away from God I get. It all ends up boiling over eventually, and the relationship ends, and I am stuck trying to claw my way back into God's presence again.

It's almost a no win situation, and so I'm not sure how to keep things in the right perspective with it. Either I give in to make the girl feel better, or I deny her constantly to make myself feel better with my relationship with Christ. Whichever one I choose, I still will end up failing at the relationship. Maybe it's because I've never really dated a completely true christian girl. I don't even know if they exist outside of CC forums, to be honest. I've yet to meet any girl in my life that is completely on fire for God, and even if they were, it's usually because they are less attractive for some reason.

Maybe one day I will find a true christian girl that is completely attractive in my own eyes, and I will count my blessings with that one. Then again, I'm not so sure I'm such a great christian role model myself, and so I probably would be bad for her. Such is my dilemma I guess.


of course you will...... im right here! :D
 
hahaha did you really just awwwwww me???

Yes, yes I think I did! AWWWWWWW! :D

I meant it in the very best possible AWWW type of way. It was more like an "AWWW she is so sweet and awesome" type of awww, rather than an "AWWW what a cute little puppy, I will pat her on the head" type of awww.
 
Yes, yes I think I did! AWWWWWWW! :D

I meant it in the very best possible AWWW type of way. It was more like an "AWWW she is so sweet and awesome" type of awww, rather than an "AWWW what a cute little puppy, I will pat her on the head" type of awww.


im .........at...............a complete...........loss.............for words! :D
 
im .........at...............a complete...........loss.............for words! :D

This seems to happen to most women in my presence. Don't be shy. Most women become speechless at my innate amazingness, but that doesn't mean you should be one of them! I find that I like you better when you are able to speak, for how else shall we communicate? I am unable to read sign language, I must admit.
 
This seems to happen to most women in my presence. Don't be shy. Most women become speechless at my innate amazingness, but that doesn't mean you should be one of them! I find that I like you better when you are able to speak, for how else shall we communicate? I am unable to read sign language, I must admit.


Thats perfect, because i just so happen to teach sign language. You see, we dont need to talk at ALL actually :D
but of course if we did not, you would be ohhh sooooooo sad, and you may look a little like this :( and we just couldnt have that now could we..

P.S. i have never been awwwwwwed at so many times in my life
 
Thats perfect, because i just so happen to teach sign language. You see, we dont need to talk at ALL actually :D
but of course if we did not, you would be ohhh sooooooo sad, and you may look a little like this :( and we just couldnt have that now could we..

P.S. i have never been awwwwwwed at so many times in my life

AWWWWWW :D Chalk up another one for the record.
 
:rolleyes: that is the face im making at you right this moment!
That face looks very cute and appealing to me! I think I like

Is your face really so blue though? Perhaps you should start breathing again. I don't need your death on my conscience m'lady.
 
That face looks very cute and appealing to me! I think I like

Is your face really so blue though? Perhaps you should start breathing again. I don't need your death on my conscious m'lady.


Well i was just holding my breath waiting for you to finally come up with something clever to say back

which is finally why i turned blue :D
 
Well i was just holding my breath waiting for you to finally come up with something clever to say back

which is finally why i turned blue :D

Well, my cleverness is sometimes too intricate a thing for blue faced women to fully appreciate, and therefore I advice you, as your personal mentor, to continue breathing despite the amount of time you may perceive to be waiting. As everything I say is truly clever, I doubt you would wait long, but sometimes they do fly over the heads of select individuals. This is to say, that as I am a man, and you are a woman, we cannot expect to fully meet eye to eye on the full spectrum of things. :O
 
Well, my cleverness is sometimes too intricate a thing for blue faced women to fully appreciate, and therefore I advice you, as your personal mentor, to continue breathing despite the amount of time you may perceive to be waiting. As everything I say is truly clever, I doubt you would wait long, but sometimes they do fly over the heads of select individuals. This is to say, that as I am a man, and you are a woman, we cannot expect to fully meet eye to eye on the full spectrum of things. :O


Your right because a women would have been able to get the sentence correct.

and therefore i ADVISE you,

your a man i dont expect you to know these things, its ok
 
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