theistic evolution - don't try this at home

[Enow]

Moses is generally thought of as the one who had the story written down.

You have to read it as it was understood at that time, not with the modern applications and definitions.

At the time of Moses, and for a long time after that, they believed that there were only 4 elements.

And remember, this writings of Moses were 1000's of years after the creation and the flood.

Did you know Jesus validated the writings of Moses?

John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP]40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life........[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Is not Jesus's word not good enough for you to take Moses as scripture?

2 Peter 1:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[IamWhoIam]

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over
to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Lets take one example, Ernest Haeckels fraud in the mid-1800s.
This fraud was known and published as early as 1894

Haeckel’s fraudulent drawings are presently in at least 10 major biology textbooks
published from 1998 through 2000. In each case, they are used to demonstrate the
supposed similarity of early embryos in different animals and man, and the authors
claim this is evidence of common ancestry and Darwin’s evolution hypothesis.

These authors simply perpetuate Haeckel’s fraud in an effort to promote
what they call the “theory” of evolution.

"Even Darwin used the Haeckel lie. In his famous book, On the Origin of Species,"

Or the faked pictures of "the peppered moths"This is supposed to prove the
theory of “natural selection.” But fraud and lies permeate this deception as well.

May 29, 2007 The Fraud of Evolution
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/3665.2.0.0/science/evolution/the-fraud-of-evolution


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Or have you read about the Multimillion-Dollar Monkey Fraud?
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Or The mere Improbability of Evolution


Dinosaurs, Evolution and the bible

September 28, 2016 Natural Selection: An Answer to Everything
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/14231.2.0.0/science/natural-selection-an-answer-to-everything

October 2015 The Dodo’s Lesson in Evolution Theory
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...volution/the-dodos-lesson-in-evolution-theory

March 8, 2012 Triceratops Controversy or Paleo-Hypocrisy?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/9194-triceratops-controversy-or-paleo-hypocrisy

September 2011 What Is the Behemoth?
https://www.thetrumpet.com/8533-what-is-the-behemoth

October 1, 2010 The Dino That Learned to Fly
https://www.thetrumpet.com/7482-the-dino-that-learned-to-fly

June 2, 2009 A Multimillion-Dollar Monkey Fraud
https://www.thetrumpet.com/6223-a-multimillion-dollar-monkey-fraud

February 2009 Dinosaurs and the Bible
https://www.thetrumpet.com/5800-dinosaurs-and-the-bible

March 2002 The Improbability of Evolution
https://www.thetrumpet.com/595-the-improbability-of-evolution

Man did not evolve from monkeys, the age of the universe is another subject.
They took God out of the classrooms, and replaced him with the Evolution story.

Yea there are a lot of misunderstandings about the steps of evolution God created, I don't believe humans came from apes, but the dust of the ground is dirt, and that dust/dirt is how God created humans from all those things of nature that makes up dust/dirt. In what steps God design that, in what order people will not 100% know because to much of that has been lost to time, to erosion, metoer strikes, volcanos etc. a lot buried in the earth or decade, once I thought the flood was global now I think it was local, a mega flood similier to what formed the English channel, the grand cannon, the scrablands of Washington st. and many other places, which was from retreating ice ages.

 

[Enow]

Yea there are a lot of misunderstandings about the steps of evolution God created, I don't believe humans came from apes, but the dust of the ground is dirt, and that dust/dirt is how God created humans from all those things of nature that makes up dust/dirt. In what steps God design that, in what order people will not 100% know because to much of that has been lost to time, to erosion, metoer strikes, volcanos etc. a lot buried in the earth or decade, once I thought the flood was global now I think it was local, a mega flood similier to what formed the English channel, the grand cannon, the scrablands of Washington st. and many other places, which was from retreating ice ages.

Well, you would be going against the grain of not only evolutionists but the Bible too.

2 Peter 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2 Peter 3:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[Enow]

A short video

[video=youtube;V9-H4j-iYz4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=180&v=V9-H4j-iYz4[/video]

 

[Enow]

........ once I thought the flood was global now I think it was local, a mega flood similier to what formed the English channel, the grand cannon, the scrablands of Washington st. and many other places, which was from retreating ice ages.

Genesis 7:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Well, you would be going against the grain of not only evolutionists but the Bible too.

2 Peter 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2 Peter 3:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Im I going against the grain, scripture says God created man from the dust of the ground, can you tell me how God did that???

useful indeed 2 Peter 3:5 the heavens were of old not 6 days.

 

[trofimus]

"an animal body is sown, a spiritual body is raised. As surely as there is an animal body, so there is also a spiritual body."
1Cor 15:44

 

[abcdef]

Did you know Jesus validated the writings of Moses?

John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP]40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life........[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Is not Jesus's word not good enough for you to take Moses as scripture?

2 Peter 1:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

I don't disagree with what you say. But there are some who do.

 

[abcdef]

Look outside at a tree.

God created the tree.

But it didn't just pop into existence from nothing.

It has a history, countless generations have come before it, and us.

We are God's creation, we are the children of parents.

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What made Adam different was his soul, designed to be redeemed by the blood of Jesus.

He was the first human soul.

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The same way with the planet earth, it has a history.

The history of planet earth is long, longer than 10,000 years.

 

[Enow]

Look outside at a tree.

God created the tree.

But it didn't just pop into existence from nothing.

When in the day it was created, it did, because it was mature bearing seeds & fruits. God spoke and it was created.

It has a history, countless generations have come before it, and us.

We are God's creation, we are the children of parents.----

What made Adam different was his soul, designed to be redeemed by the blood of Jesus.

He was the first human soul.

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The same way with the planet earth, it has a history.

The history of planet earth is long, longer than 10,000 years.

Which cannot be verified by any scientific method.

Yet Adam was created as a full grown man. Eve was created as a full grown woman.

All of creation was created with maturity. God created the heavens, the stars, the moon, and the sun so that their lights were to govern the earth that evening and morning that day so that means you can't use the speed of light from some distant star to fathom how old the earth is or even the age of the heavens.

Believe His words today. Even Jesus validated the creation of the sabbath day was for man, thus validating the six days of creation.

 

[Enow]

Im I going against the grain, scripture says God created man from the dust of the ground, can you tell me how God did that???

God spoke. It was done.

useful indeed 2 Peter 3:5 the heavens were of old not 6 days.

That is you inputting old as not 6 days.

Did you have an answer to scripture refuting you of your belief that it was a local flood?

Genesis 7:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

 

[abcdef]

When in the day it was created, it did, because it was mature bearing seeds & fruits. God spoke and it was created.

That doesn't prove that it took 24 hours. Maybe a day was longer then, 24 hrs and 20 minuets.

It would still be a day in God's eyes, but not by your definition.

Which cannot be verified by any scientific method.

Then neither can the 24 hr/6 day creation.

Yet Adam was created as a full grown man. Eve was created as a full grown woman.

I would be interested in the verse you are using for that.

All of creation was created with maturity. God created the heavens, the stars, the moon, and the sun so that their lights were to govern the earth that evening and morning that day so that means you can't use the speed of light from some distant star to fathom how old the earth is or even the age of the heavens.

Verse/passage?

Believe His words today. Even Jesus validated the creation of the sabbath day was for man, thus validating the six days of creation.

But a day isn't always a 24 hour day in the Bible. There is the day of salvation and the day of the Lord, And a final day of rest for eternity.

 

[Enow]

That doesn't prove that it took 24 hours. Maybe a day was longer then, 24 hrs and 20 minuets.

It would still be a day in God's eyes, but not by your definition.

Not when for each day of creation, there was evening and there was morning. No way to make that day longer than a 24 hour period.

 

[trofimus]

Not when for each day of creation, there was evening and there was morning. No way to make that day longer than a 24 hour period.

from evening to morning its 12 hours, not 24... so, it was 6 *12 hours = 3 days of creation?

 

[abcdef]

Not when for each day of creation, there was evening and there was morning. No way to make that day longer than a 24 hour period.

Again, a day isn't always 24 hours in the Bible.

It can be longer, the day of salvation for example.

So just because you insist, doesn't prove the 24 hr theory.

 

[Innerfire89]

Scripture plainly tells us what a day is in the Genesis account. God made the sun to govern the day, the sun doesn't shine on one part of the earth for millions of years. The only reason anyone would read six days as any thing more than six days is because they're using a theory to intreperate Scripture, a based theory that Darwin used because he didn't believe in our God.

 

[trofimus]

Scripture plainly tells us what a day is in the Genesis account. God made the sun to govern the day, the sun doesn't shine on one part of the earth for millions of years. The only reason anyone would read six days as any thing more than six days is because they're using a theory to intreperate Scripture, a based theory that Darwin used because he didn't believe in our God.

You have things messed up.

1. Darwin´s theory of evolution has little to do with the Universe, sun, moon etc. Its "old earth" vs "young earth" issue, not "instant creation" vs "developing creation" issue.

2. Darwin was a very believing man. His book "About origin of species" is full of mentions of God and searching for the flood evidences.

 

[abcdef]

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You see,

The creation story brings us from the eternal spirit world into the material world.

The things of the spirit world, are told to us in a way, so we can relate to them.

Things like, the hand of God,

Or his eyes were as a flame of fire Rev 1:14. Fire can be judgement.

So the description given in the creation story, is one that all men everywhere would understand, if it is understood correctly.

God had to speak to primitive men, and modern man also.

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Should God have written a book on nuclear physics and given it to Moses? Maybe one on biology?

Jesus gave us everything that we need to know for the salvation of the soul. That's what it is about.

Good and evil, Love and no love, Light and dark, day and night, reason and chaos, fullness and emptiness, God and the void.

All those things are understood as symbols for our world.

Symbols, a world of symbols, that point to our world and the eternal, spiritual place where God/Jesus is.

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Not a literal passage, Gen 1, but one that is to be about good and evil, light and dark.

All 4 elements, air, water, earth, and fire. Each coming together and separating at the same time.

The waves of the waters, foaming with air, wash on the earth shore, mixing and separating.

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Then comes Adam.

All 4 elements are needed to create and maintain the human souls.

Air to breath, water to drink, earth plants to eat, and there is heat fire within man.

All the elements mixing within man, then passing through and separating.

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But then, we also see the principal that good and evil are present in man.

Selfish thoughts, mixed with the goodness of God, coming out of us to others. Waters of life? or deeds of darkness?

So the creation story is mixed and fixed in symbolism.

If you try to take it as literal, without allowing for the interpretation of the symbols, you are missing the most important parts of the story.

 

[Innerfire89]

You have things messed up.

1. Darwin´s theory of evolution has little to do with the Universe, sun, moon etc. Its "old earth" vs "young earth" issue, not "instant creation" vs "developing creation" issue.

2. Darwin was a very believing man. His book "About origin of species" is full of mentions of God and searching for the flood evidences.

That's definitely news to me, every other source I cheeked says Darwin was a universlist.

 

[Innerfire89]

And evolution takes millions or billions of years, which is why we're now debating the age of the earth.