Is the great biblical flood real or not?

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Then He would not change it if He said it was good. That is why all those supposed kinds that others have changed from are still around, because God was finished in making that kind that it will not become another kind.

And it was all done within a day where there was evening and morning each day when He got done with that creation.
Just because it was good doesn't say it didn't evolve from good to good, the evolution God created was all good.
 
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Just because it was good doesn't say it didn't evolve from good to good, the evolution God created was all good.
Then there would be no former kind left from which it had supposedly evolved from to be "better".

Good means good. To make something different from what He had called good, is better. He never said that in regards to His creations.
 
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And the flood was local...
Genesis 7:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

 
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again man has proved the living does not come from the living.
that human sperm is from the seed of man, not some slime.
The egg is not a seed, it is a ball of soup, Adam and Eve was the first humans to have souls, and God created the human body like a computer, first need the motherboard, then processor, ram, hard drive, power supply etc., once the computer has been completely formed then the actual electricity can be applied and the computer is up and running basically the same with the human body and that was the final stage of evolution for our planet to have souled beings, by God's design.
 

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again man has proved the living does not come from the living.
that human sperm is from the seed of man, not some slime.
sorry typo

the living does not come from the [non]living
 
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Genesis 7:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

earth meaning in Those verses means ground dirt/dust etc. not the whole earth but earth, that is like calling a huge tractor a earth mover it doesn't actually move the earth but dirt.
 
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earth meaning in Those verses means ground dirt/dust etc. not the whole earth but earth,.
the bible says everything died with the breath of life in it,
that was under heaven. maybe you think all earth is not under heaven?
 
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the bible says everything died with the breath of life in it,
that was under heaven. maybe you think all earth is not under heaven?
we don't live in the same place, if everything died in your area doesn't mean everything in my area died, yet we both live under the heaven on earth, earth is just a name for elements that was created as a ball.
 
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Isnt a human a man?
Man and animal are both breathing animals


The word “soul” is translated from Hebrew, the word nephesh.
The Hebrew nephesh merely means a breathing animal

animals are called nephesh in: Genesis 1:20, “moving creature” (Hebrew, nephesh);
Genesis 1:21, “great whales, and every living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh);
Genesis 1:24, “living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh).

The translators in translating into the English language used the English word “creature
but in Genesis 2:7 they translated the same nephesh into the English word “soul”

—man became a “living soul” (nephesh).


The word nephesh literally means “life of animals,” referring to physical life and
not spirit -Satan’s lie to mother Eve that man is immortal and cannot die.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground;
for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return

The soul is physical, composed of matter, and can die.
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that every man was given a spirit and man was also made in the image of God

1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens,
and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

- science calls it youre concience, they can't see, or feel, or understand it

8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

- it's what imparts thought, it seperates mans brain from animals

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, a
nd every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth
upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


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The ancient philosophers taught that man is essentially an immortal spiritual “soul”
housed in a temporary body of flesh—that the real man is not the body, but an invisible,
immaterial “immortal soul” that thinks, hears, sees and will consciously live on forever


At death, according to the speculation of the ancients, the soul leaves the body and journeys
to a nebulous realm, possibly paradise or a place of punishment. The body, they observed,
goes to the grave.

the Jewish Encyclopedia explains: “The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews
from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal
exponent, who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian
and Egyptian views were strangely blended” .


The doctrine of the immortality of the soul, according to this respected encyclopedia,
came from pre-Christian Greek philosophers who acquired it from pagan Egypt and Babylon!
 
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Man and animal are both breathing animals


The word “soul” is translated from Hebrew, the word nephesh.
The Hebrew nephesh merely means a breathing animal

animals are called nephesh in: Genesis 1:20, “moving creature” (Hebrew, nephesh);
Genesis 1:21, “great whales, and every living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh);
Genesis 1:24, “living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh).

The translators in translating into the English language used the English word “creature
but in Genesis 2:7 they translated the same nephesh into the English word “soul”

—man became a “living soul” (nephesh).


The word nephesh literally means “life of animals,” referring to physical life and
not spirit -Satan’s lie to mother Eve that man is immortal and cannot die.


In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground;
for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return


The soul is physical, composed of matter, and can die.


that every man was given a spirit and
man was also made in the image of God

1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens,
and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

- science calls it youre concience, they can't see, or feel, or understand it

8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

- it's what imparts thought, it seperates mans brain from animals

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, a
nd every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth
upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


-

The ancient philosophers taught that man is essentially an immortal spiritual “soul”
housed in a temporary body of flesh—that the real man is not the body, but an invisible,
immaterial “immortal soul” that thinks, hears, sees and will consciously live on forever


At death, according to the speculation of the ancients, the soul leaves the body and journeys
to a nebulous realm, possibly paradise or a place of punishment. The body, they observed,
goes to the grave.

the Jewish Encyclopedia explains: “The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews
from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal
exponent, who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian
and Egyptian views were strangely blended” .


The doctrine of the immortality of the soul, according to this respected encyclopedia,
came from pre-Christian Greek philosophers who acquired it from pagan Egypt and Babylon!
Well that for another topic thread do animals have souls.
 
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Though I'll say this, God breathed into man, no were does the bible say God breathed into animals.
 

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we don't live in the same place, if everything died in your area doesn't mean everything in my area died, yet we both live under the heaven on earth, earth is just a name for elements that was created as a ball.
again the bible says everything under heaven died, means everything under heaven
 

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Though I'll say this, God breathed into man, no were does the bible say God breathed into animals.
The breath God gave to Adam was air,
like a baby using his lungs to breath air for the first time
 

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Humans do not have souls ,man and animals are both physical living souls
Wrong. Only us human beings are living souls designed to go on to the eternities.
Animals have the spirit of God within them so that they are alive, but when an animal or fish
or insect etc. dies they are nothing and the spirit returns to God.

That is why the in-Godly are often referred to as brutish - brute beasts.
 

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again the bible says everything under heaven died, means everything under heaven
"Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven."
Acts 2:5

Now, we have a problem here. Can you explain how a member of all nations under heaven got to Jerusalem?

Its obviously a figure of speech, not a technical description.
 
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