Desperate Call to Action on the Church's Part

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HistoryPrincess

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I don't even know where to begin, but I need to say this. There is a huge moral and ethical scandal going on in American churches, and that involves sex abuse. And it's been going on for FAR too long.

To everyone reading this post, this needs to be said right now, to everyone. I don't care what your beliefs are, I don't care who you know, I don't care what gender you are, what age you are, what your job is, etc. I don't care about ANY of that sh*t! You have NO right, to take advantage of the vulnerable, or stick up for those who do, for your own disgusting personal gain! This isn't a matter of the recent Hollywood scandal, or any specific scandal, this is about a virus Satan has been spreading around underneath our willfully ignorant noses, and it needs to be stopped NOW!

Church people, Christians, I DEMAND as a fellow Christian, that you start taking your beliefs about defending the vulnerable and weak seriously. The world is watching about how we treat those very people, young and old. If Hollywood is doing a better job taking down and separating themselves from predators... This isn't only embarrassing, this is disgusting, shameful, and SINFUL!

Church, God does not NEED YOU to defend his reputation! He doesn't NEED YOU for anything! And he does NOT offer forgiveness willy nilly to just anyone! People are ONLY given forgiveness when they REPENT! When they genuinely show they're sorry not just through their words but their actions! I don't care if the abuser is a pastor or elder or anything. If you have evidence that they abused, they need to be removed from their post and be kept far away as possible from people they can abuse until they can show themselves trustworthy. And I have the BIBLE to back me up on this!

The fact of the matter is, as much as we would like to believe otherwise, there are evil people in this world. Evil people who do not have a conscience. No matter how bad someone's past may have been, people CHOOSE to abuse! And they DO NOT have my sympathy!

In fact, I'd like to quote now from a person who can say it much better than I can. Seriously, if I could, I would make you read this post until you finish reading it, because this. is. serious.

Does it seem harsh or un-Christian-like to you to refer to a child rapist as a pervert and a dirtbag? Or to call someone who would terrorize her own 2-year-old to the point that he can't catch his breath and is gasping for air, and then laugh at his panic, a sadist and a sociopath? Or to call a mother who stays married to the pedophile who raped her child, fails to do anything to protect that child, and then tops it all off by babysitting OTHER PEOPLE'S children and leaving them alone with the pervert so he can (and did) rape THEM too, a lowlife who belongs in the cell next to him? Is calling a baby-killer a "murderer" going to hurt his poor widdle feelings? Is there even a name bad enough, or should I say "descriptive" enough, to call a mother who would set up her own child to be raped repeatedly by her husband, to keep him from focusing his attention on HER? What about a father who pimps out his children to his friends for money and beer? Or the jackass who has a fight with his girlfriend and then beats their 5-week old baby to death for spite, to get back at her? Or the parents who lock their child in a room for seven years, make her use a litter box for a bathroom, and starve her so badly that she weighs only 35 pounds when she finally dies?

Hey, they are what they are. I'm not here to help them feel good about themselves. Seriously, what else would you call them? What would be the politically correct way to refer to scum like this? "Slightly irresponsible"? "Child torture-challenged"? "Having low self-esteem which results in unintentional acting-out of their frustrations and beating the baby"? "Having boundary issues with sexually touching children"? "Being a little temperamental, sometimes resulting in accidentally going too far and killing a child"? Oh, puleeze. Enough, already.

Someone who LIKES to see pain and gets their pleasure by making a helpless victim suffer is a SADIST. That's the definition of the word "sadist."A person who remorselessly and brutally inflicts his malice and violence on an innocent target, has absolutely no conscience or compassion about it, and in fact often then tries to use what he did to elicit sympathy for HIMSELF, is a SOCIOPATH. That’s what a sociopath IS. No, really. Look it up. Let's not disrespect the victims and minimize their experiences and pain by making up more pleasant sounding euphemisms to cover up their abusers' true natures. That sends a false message to victims and to the world, that what was done to them wasn't really so bad. But it WAS, so let's stop beating around the bush. Let's stand up and make our disapproval of and contempt for their abusers loud and clear. Tell it like it is.

Jesus certainly didn't pull any punches when he called the Pharisees just about every name there was in the book at the time. Hypocrites, snakes, brood of vipers, unclean, greedy, whitewashed tombs full of dead men's bones, blind fools, full of wickedness, sons of hell (Matthew 23:13-33). He used the strongest possible language of his day to denounce them. He made an example of them. He spoke, not just directly to the Pharisees, but for the benefit of everyone else within earshot. Do you think the people who heard him got his point? Evil is evil. It is never un-Christian-like to tell the truth, nor is it un-Christian-like to use strong language when you tell it.

This is not a subject we need to be wishy-washy, calm, or easy-going about. We don't need to phrase it kindly lest we insult a dirtbag or offend his partners-in-crime. Using strong language to describe abusers and their enablers serves a purpose. It gets people's attention. It underscores for them just how disgusting, shameful, and, yes, EVIL, the behavior of these so-called "parents" is, and how disgusting, shameful, and EVIL the parents themselves are. It says if you protect an abuser by tolerating or minimizing abuse, then YOU are just as guilty as he is. It brings things that are often hushed-up or whispered about out into the open, and gives others the courage to stand up and tell it like it is, too. It makes a big deal out of something that many people would just as soon pretend isn’t happening or isn’t really that bad. It makes it UNACCEPTABLE to ACCEPT abuse. It drives home the point that abuse, and enabling abuse, is NOT "accidental." It is NOT something "they can’t help." It is NOT a "mistake" or a "misunderstanding." It is DESPICABLE. It is INTENTIONAL, DELIBERATE, and supremely SELFISH. Abusers victimize others to get their own needs met, and their enablers allow it, and even encourage it, to make their own lives easier and to get their own needs met. It's a sick, twisted dynamic.

And they continue until they are exposed, or better yet, arrested. They continue until the silence is broken. They continue until we stop circumventing the issues, coddling them, walking on eggshells around them, and talking about them in nice, mild, smiley-face terms- terms that are vague, deceptive, and fail to present the TRUE picture and emphasize the gravity of it to the listener. It's not OUR fault if the truth is ugly.

They continue until they are embarrassed and shamed. Until someone stands up and shouts the truth about them from the rooftops. They continue until the people who know them stop sugar-coating their behavior, sweeping it under the rug, and making excuses for them, and start looking at them with the appropriate revulsion and loathing. They continue until nobody wants to be associated with them anymore, until others start avoiding them like the plague, and warning everybody else to stay away, too. In the Bible, this is referred to as "shunning," and it’s meant to produce shame and repentance. They continue until it gets through, not just to them, but to everyone around them, that what they are doing is WRONG, wicked, evil, and bad, bad, bad. Until we make our opinions of their behavior so crystal clear that there can be no mistaking our repulsion and condemnation for anything even slightly milder. They continue until we start forcing them to OWN what they are: degenerate, sadistic, sociopathic, psychopathic, lowlife, dirtbags.

As for me, believe it or not, I do try to tone it down a bit. Imagine what my ramblings would sound like if I didn't! But I am what I am, too. I don't believe in pussying around with stuff like this. My calling as a Christian is to minister to the VICTIMS, not the abusers. Victims need to know that other people support them and agree that what was done to them was terrible, and that the lowlifes who did it are terrible. Survivors need to know that we validate them and their experiences. I'm here to help victims heal, to give them a voice, a nice, BIG voice. Not to help abusers gloss over, justify and feel okay with, or even good about, what they've done. Abusers don't deserve the privilege of being able to walk among the rest of us with their heads held high. I believe in letting the dirtbags live with the consequences of their own actions- including shame, embarrassment, and the disgust of good people everywhere. That's the way God made me. And I believe in keeping it up, relentlessly, until MAYBE, just maybe, they'll repent of their evil ways, turn to the Lord, and be saved.

There you have it. Now tell me I'm not the only one who's willing to say all this. Hate is not the opposite of Love. The opposite of Love is indifference, passivity. I take this seriously because God takes this seriously. I hate sexual immorality, but I hate hypocrites even more. We need to show this is NOT okay, no matter who does it, and it never WILL be okay. And let me tell you, if I ever come across something like this in my church... There. is. going. to. be. HELL. to. pay.
 
What do you expect from a church thar is ok with divorce and remarriage for reasons other than adultery? What do you expect frim a church that is ok with lewd and lascivious cohabitation? It all leads to sexual abuse.
 
ok firstly watch your language secondly you need to calm down before you make posts like this. Yes it is infuriating that people who call themselves Christians do this but your post here is far to aggressive and you will not change people by speaking from your emotions. Believe me I have been through abuse and sexual abuse from my parents I am not unaware of the horrific and inhuman things such people do but I chose to forgive them and even to this day pray that they come to know the peace and the love that God and I share, it is one thing to be angry and protective about these things but as Christians we are called to be love and love directs and guides those who in their folly and in their misdeeds have more than deserved the most horrific punishment.

Ephesians 4:29

Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Proverbs 15:1
A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
 
I'm very sorry you suffered so much at the hands of those who were supposed to love and care for you. But the Bible is very clear that forgiveness can only be given to those who repent. We need to pray that they will recognize that need, that's the loving thing to do. It's not loving to just willy nilly offer forgiveness to people who clearly don't want it. People can't receive what they don't want.

I know very well what love is because the Bible tells me what it is.

Love does not believes that all the things it doesn't do (wear jeans, listen to rock, visit the beach) makes it special. Love does not tell someone abuse is their fault. Love does not shame girls who didn't choose to "have premarital sex." Love does not blame a woman for her abuse. Love does not say women are more easily deceived than men, yet men can't control their sexual urges (because apparently men are animals, not human beings). Love does not laugh in response to abuse allegations. Love does not cover up abuse to protect a "great" man's reputation. Love does not tell a woman to stay with her abusive husband. Love does not prejudge a woman's salvation because she works and sends her kids to school. Love does not declare that society is going to hell in a handbasket because women vote. Love does not kick out "nonconforming" people out on the street to "protect" others.

And like I said, Jesus didn't hold back when he called the Pharisees what they were, and to their faces no less. Moreover, he DID change people with emotions. He got angry, and he got righteously angry. He lashed out at the money-chargers in the temple. Today, we would call that assault and battery. He wasn't some passive, fragile glass figurine. He even left at different points when people tried to kill him. His sacrifice was going to be on his terms. He didn't LET anyone kill him. "No one takes my life from me. I give it of my own accord."
 
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I'm very sorry you suffered so much at the hands of those who were supposed to love and care for you. But the Bible is very clear that forgiveness can only be given to those who repent. We need to pray that they will recognize that need, that's the loving thing to do. It's not loving to just willy nilly offer forgiveness to people who clearly don't want it. People can't receive what they don't want.

I know very well what love is because the Bible tells me what it is.

Love does not believes that all the things it doesn't do (wear jeans, listen to rock, visit the beach) makes it special. Love does not tell someone abuse is their fault. Love does not shame girls who didn't choose to "have premarital sex." Love does not blame a woman for her abuse. Love does not say women are more easily deceived than men, yet men can't control their sexual urges (because apparently men are animals, not human beings). Love does not laugh in response to abuse allegations. Love does not cover up abuse to protect a "great" man's reputation. Love does not tell a woman to stay with her abusive husband. Love does not prejudge a woman's salvation because she works and sends her kids to school. Love does not declare that society is going to hell in a handbasket because women vote. Love does not kick out "nonconforming" people out on the street to "protect" others.

And like I said, Jesus didn't hold back when he called the Pharisees what they were, and to their faces no less.
Yes the bible tells you what love is but that doesn't mean it is understood. I don't know if you have experienced this or not but as one who has gone through all of this I understand what it is like to go through all of that hell and yet i earnestly pray for their salvation and that they may come to know the love and peace of God, why do you think that is?
Did Jesus not say to pray for your enemies? did he not teach to show love to those who attack us? Whether they want my forgiveness or not they receive it because that is what love is, do you think the people in the bible who lived sinful lives cared if Jesus forgave them when they pinned him on that cross? But what did Jesus do? he begged for father to forgive them.
in your anger I think you misunderstand what love really is, would you have them to burn in hell for their misdeeds? Or would you have them come to know God repent for what they did and help to teach and to spread the gospel?

Even if they never do until it is too late we need to pray for them. Did you ever wonder why Father put up with mankind even though they did the most horrific things imaginable and continued to rebel blasphemy and to disrespect him? It is because even in the most evil and most sinful of hearts and in even the most blood stained souls he saw something worth fighting for something so precious that he would even allow his own son to die for it. There is a vast difference between righteous anger and plain anger and it can be easy to confuse the two.
 
I know the difference between the two. And like I said, Hate is not the opposite of Love. Love engenders great hate. The opposite of Love is choosing to sit back and do nothing.

Yes, I know very well that's what Jesus said. But we are not called to be doormats. Jesus was not a doormat, nor are we to be. Not to each other, and not to nonbelievers. And I'm sorry, but like I said, people receive forgiveness when they ask for it. That's what the Bible says. It says that we are to pray that they come to the realization that they need forgiveness.

And by the way, that is a very misunderstood Bible verse. When Jesus was telling his Father to forgive "them," the "them" he was talking about were those who "knew not what they do." He was talking about people like the Roman soldier, who came to realize who he was after Jesus died. He was not talking about the Pharisees. The Pharisees KNEW who Jesus was, and they hated him. That's why they said, "It is by Beelzebub that this man drives out demons." That is the unpardonable sin. KNOWINGLY attributing the work of God to the devil.
 
I know the difference between the two. And like I said, Hate is not the opposite of Love. Love engenders great hate. The opposite of Love is choosing to sit back and do nothing.

Yes, I know very well that's what Jesus said. But we are not called to be doormats. Jesus was not a doormat, nor are we to be. Not to each other, and not to nonbelievers. And I'm sorry, but like I said, people receive forgiveness when they ask for it. That's what the Bible says. It says that we are to pray that they come to the realization that they need forgiveness.

And by the way, that is a very misunderstood Bible verse. When Jesus was telling his Father to forgive "them," the "them" he was talking about were those who "knew not what they do." He was talking about people like the Roman soldier, who came to realize who he was after Jesus died. He was not talking about the Pharisees. The Pharisees KNEW who Jesus was, and they hated him. That's why they said, "It is by Beelzebub that this man drives out demons." That is the unpardonable sin. KNOWINGLY attributing the work of God to the devil.

Hate the sin not the sinner, your hate is not love and I am sorry that you do not understand that. Beware of this hatred and anger of yours because the devil will use that against you, it is easy for him to use a heart filled with anger and hate but he cannot use one whose heart is filled with love and peace. I
 
Have seen this kind of abuse happening in politics with high ranking politicians.The good news is that there have been massive pedo busts going around the country so far the number is over 5,000 arrested. The mains stream media hasn't reported it because people in these news organizations are guilty as well. There are supposedly over 33 sealed indictments to be served soon. They say it will involve Tony Podesta who is a part of pizzagate. Only Time will tell, God bless Trump for going after these people.
 
Humans are so messed up. Metaphorically humanity is the cancer of this world. Cancerous cells multiply fast and spread uncontrollably. Without intervention it will take over the body and cause it to die. There are immunities in the body that naturally kill cancerous cells. It’s when these are made dormant, cancer can thrive. We, the church, the Body of Believers have been made dormant. We say we are the hands and feet of God yet make no movement. The reason we are to pray is to get wisdom and instruction from God. Prayer is like the neurological system telling the body where, when and how to move. It is a present action. Instead we go to a building and listen to someone else tell his thoughts, rarely questioning the source. We place way too much emphasis on the stories about what God has done through men of faith and fail to draft our own stories. We are like a bunch of armchair quarterbacks yelling at a screen. If you don’t like something, you have the power to change it. God changes the world remotely by empowering His followers. I appreciate your call to action because I’m inspired now, you are right. Just as I expect my children to help with cleaning up, even if I don’t tell them specifically, as God’s children we should help. I say keep your tithe, and grab a broom. For the record, if I ever came in contact with an abuser or sexual predator, i would treat them like cancer and prevent them from contaminating anyone else. I believe this is what is expected of us.
 
I do agree that there is a need to act but we must consider the way to do it because there is right way to do it and a wrong way.
And it isn't like we will catch an abuser in the act often because they like to do their works in the shadows my mom was very good at hiding my beatings and I was not even allowed to play in the front yard for fear of being seen.
There is also more than one kind of abuse, their are plenty on here who like me also bear inner wounds and bruises and while there certainly are physical damage from sexual abuse and abuse of all kinds there are also the inner wounds that was caused by those things that sometimes run deeper and bleed more and can sometimes be even more difficult to heal.

For me taking a stand and doing something about it is not focusing on the abusers but rather focusing on those who were hurt from the abusers, many here in cc alone have been through abuse of all kinds and need words of life to be able to be healed and move on. I know what I can do and what I intend to do if God brings such a person to me, after all the power that words have is clearly seen all throughout the bible.