Don't you have ANY scriptural ammo to shoot in this discussion? Just getting upset and yelling and bullying and insulting people into submission isn't going to cut it.
The church does not decide who are the
us in Christ, and who are
them, not of us. We walk by the faith of Christ that dwells in us. If any man has not the Spirit of His faith then neither do they belong to Him
It would seem you are from the Catholic sect.. They seem to appose sola scriptura (all things written in the law and the prophets.)
They see the perfect law of God (the gospel) as if it as Ammo against them and not the good news that would draw a person with them. 1 John describes that as ....they went out from
us because they were not of
us. God defines the
us, that makes up the invisible Church. Only he can see into the heart of man and separate the goats from the sheep . No one have received their new incorruptible body.We walk by faith, by the new faith not of our old the imaginations of ones heart.
The work of Gods hand (will) is not served by that which he formed. These earthen bodies of death as new creatures Christians are His works. We have the authority of His will as His perfect Law but it is not of us as that seen.
2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
It is by his work of faith (believing) that with his finger He set up the standard of His faith or beliefs etched in stone to represent the law of faith in our new hearts.to protect His written word from the philosophies and oral traditions of men.
Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Where two or three new creatures in Christ are gathered together in His name, as His authority .....by which we can hear what Spirit say to the churches (hear God)And not hear the work He formed, say to the Potter he has no understanding (our private interpretations),
Isaiah 29:16 Surely your "turning of things upside" down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed "say of him that framed it", He had no understanding?
The authority to believe God is not of us. It comes from the words written with his finger.even if there are 10,000 denomination/ sects as part of the whole .No such thing as nondenominational. it is a denomination.
Its the argument in Luke 9. Every-time they did not mix faith in what they did hear, the seed of the word was snatched from their understanding. Christ purposely hiding the spiritual understanding in those parables to draw them closer more adequately .
The Sonof man Jesus faded away when they believed not (no faith)and then they played "who is the greatest".. gets venerated the highest.
But they
understood not this saying, and i
t was hid from them, that they
perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.
Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should "be greatest". And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him, And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not
against us is for us.Luk 9:45
Three times repeating the matter with different parable to point to the
us in Christ and them he rebuked them.
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know
not what manner of spirit ye are of.
They were not walking by the proper manner of Christ's faith, not mixing his spirtual understanding in what they heard and saw.They did not enter Christ's rest that time.
2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
