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blue_ladybug

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You were an elder, but say things like LMAO? Do you kiss your mama with that mouth?

ROTFLMAO
We can have good arguments about baptism. I have been forced to be on all sides of the argument over baptism modes. I was an elder and part of the teaching about baptism was forced to take particular sides in arguing about the mode. It is amazing what you learn when taking the side you disagree with.
 
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You were an elder, but say things like LMAO? Do you kiss your mama with that mouth?
Blue lady bug has deciphered the meanings behind text meanings!
everyone look out she's cracking down on cursing and taking names,awesome!
 

blue_ladybug

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Stop picking on me or I'll banish you to the land of misfit toys... lol


Blue lady bug has deciphered the meanings behind text meanings!
everyone look out she's cracking down on cursing and taking names,awesome!
 

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The Messiah pushes perfect works... and the Messiah warns believers that they will not be worthy to walk in white with Him..... and while we all can be false the Messiah is True always and forever.. this ongoing idea that Faith and works is evil.. when we are talking not about mixing Old and New Wine.. But believing and truly believing of the New wine that Teaches works of Faith.. as in Hear, Believe and do where called to... is the Faith of Abraham.. yet we are even lightened by the Lord for Love is the Law.. Royal Law.. Holy Spirit guiding and comforting the believer.. bringing to mind Truth..

You are correct in saying that by Grace through Faith we are saved.. all believers will confess this by their own conversion..

Ephesians 2

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.



but something comes after and that is works...... and if those works are judged not perfect then the Lord Himself states what can happen..

Let no believer be ashamed to be walking in the works ordained by GOD for them through Faith in their Lord and Saviour.

Actually loveme, what you say about Abraham is not quite right.

Abraham was given the promise of children of all nations, so many that they would be as the Stars in heaven. Abraham got two. One of promise, one of self. There is the story of which son is blessed and receives the inheritance.

For us, being born again, we are the Sons of promise.

So, when was the promise to Abraham fulfilled? Not in his lifetime, yet his faith remained.

Thats the faith of Abraham. To believe no matter what we see. So what work did Abraham do? He listened to the wrong voice, his wife, and brought an Ishmael. Now, God, knowing the end from beginning, wasn't surprised. He had a blessing for Ishmael and descendants too, but much trouble to the earth as come from them.

So when did this promise come to pass?

Rom 4:13 For the promise that he would inherit the world did not come to Abraham or to his descendants through the Law, but through the righteousness produced by faith.


Gen 15:5 Then the LORD took him outside. "Look up at the sky and count the stars—if you can!" he said. "Your descendants will be that numerous."

Gen 15:6 Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness.


Abram was only believing for a servant to be his heir, but the Lord graciously interrupts and gives him the promise...the heir will be a son.

Gen 15:6 Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness.


Rom 4:4 Now to someone who works, wages are not considered a gift but an obligation.

Rom 4:5 However, to someone who does not work, but simply believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Son of promise. A miraculous birth. Born from above, a miraculous birth.



So righteousness is only imputed because of our faith, and what is our faith?

The sacrifice that Abram performed the evening he was promised descendants
portrays the Cross of Jesus. Fulfilled the covenant, to bring forth sons.
This is found in Genesis 15. Covenant is beryith in Hebrew and allegorically shows what happened to Abram and the sacrifices.

God passed through the sacrifice of Jesus, and received His work as finished for mankind.

So no work ascribes righteousness to us other than the work of Jesus.

We hold to this, and do not swerve right or left from this.

Works are for rewards only.

Now sealing. I know you haven't said anything about this, but this too is found in the covenant of Abraham and bringing Sons of promise.

What is the seal? We have looked at the Greek, looked at it topically, but failed to see (maybe just me?) what the scripture says the seal is.



Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Circumcised of flesh. Babies on the 8th day of life. We as spiritual babes in Christ are circumcised on the day of our new beginnings too. The circumcision by Father Himself. And is conversion. We know we have passed from death to life, though possibly could not express it that way.

So tell me please PHart, and anyone else who wants to declare that we can be unsealed, when it's the work of God Himself creating us dead to sin, and alive to God, how can we be unsealed?

our part is to believe it, and not walk away from this image, like said in scripture as looking at a mirror, then forgetting what we saw.

James is speaking of walking upright. After all, he was a Jew and was schooled in the moral law. But, we have the nature of God to live by now.

We do by instinct what is right. Romans 2

As babes, young men, then fathers. 1John













 
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We can have good arguments about baptism. I have been forced to be on all sides of the argument over baptism modes. I was an elder and part of the teaching about baptism was forced to take particular sides in arguing about the mode. It is amazing what you learn when taking the side you disagree with.
Forced? What, they held a gun to your head, or you made a concession?
 

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You were an elder, but say things like LMAO? Do you kiss your mama with that mouth?
I suggest you take a long walk on a short pier!!

Go to a lake and walk until your hat floats!!

Such a judgmental person.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Thank you.

One thing, how could this be applied to pharisees when the Holy Spirit was not given yet?
Again, Jesus said your in danger of committing blasphemy of the spirit. They were still giving satan credit for the work of God.

Jesus did all his work by the HS.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I agree that He did not ask peter to repent because He knew what was in peters heart, so He knew peter had already repented/returned. In fact, Jesus had already prophesied this when He said: when you return...

As for not having faith in your circumstance...if we believe God guides our steps (man makes his plans but it is God who guides his steps) then we would not have this problem of no faith in whatever circumstance...

True, But then if we did that we would be sinless. You know anyone who has that much faith?
 
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Again, Jesus said your in danger of committing blasphemy of the spirit. They were still giving satan credit for the work of God.

Jesus did all his work by the HS.
Thank you, I understood the first time and this is not in dispute and we have covered this.

I asked how could this be a directive to a group of people [pharisees] when the Holy Spirit had not yet been given, because Christ had not gone away yet?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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John 21 shows us when Peter returned and is one of the most beautiful stories in the Bible.

Yes, And it proves the passage. Even when peter was Faithless. God remained faithful, And he used this to help grow peters faith even more.

Look what peter did because of Christs forgiveness. Grace and mercy empowered peter..
 
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Yes, And it proves the passage. Even when peter was Faithless. God remained faithful, And he used this to help grow peters faith even more.

Look what peter did because of Christs forgiveness. Grace and mercy empowered peter..
I agree.
That said, Peter's full return did not happen until he received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. This is how he converted the brethren and he could not have, until he was endued with power from on high to witness.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Thank you, I understood the first time and this is not in dispute and we have covered this.

I asked how could this be a directive to a group of people [pharisees] when the Holy Spirit had not yet been given, because Christ had not gone away yet?
As I said, The HS was at work in Jesus. Thge HS was given to Jesus the day he was baptised. It was he who did the work. So in saying Jesus did his miracles by the power of satan, They blasphemed the HS. There attributed the work of the spirit in Jesus miracles to satan.
 
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As I said, The HS was at work in Jesus. Thge HS was given to Jesus the day he was baptised. It was he who did the work. So in saying Jesus did his miracles by the power of satan, They blasphemed the HS. There attributed the work of the spirit in Jesus miracles to satan.
ok, never mind bro, it is all good. Thank you for the explanation