Hi Nehemiah6,
The text you provided does not prove your point:
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Saviour,4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man[a] Christ Jesus,6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
This is just a very quick cursory answer as Im about to get my dinner
As Timothy says here we pray for 'All people' (2:1), so who are these 'all' people? its not just one group it is people from all walks of life not just those in authority (2:1-2). So when reading verses 1 and 2 we can see it is people of all stature.
So without even going any further in the text, we can see that Paul here in verses 1 thru to 15 is talking about prayer, intercession for all people,
regarding 'desire' (v4) all men to be saved. This is in contrast to the tendency of the false teacher who were narrow as in some form of law keeping (1:7-11). Paul was countering these 'exclusive' teachings of the law brigade.
Obviously 'all' cannot mean all will be saved as that would be universalism. Whether you hold an Arminian position or a Reformed position, this passage declares that the proclamation of the gospel is a free and universal call to 'all'. That God 'desires' shows His goodwill.
This passage on its own will never ever be a proof for Arminianism or Reformed position. We need to take the whole counsel of God into consideration. One of Paul's chief concerns and we can read this in nearly all his writings is the 'wall of hostility; being torn between Jew and Gentile.. 'all' people are now called not just by Ethnicity or by Law keeping. In our times we are de-sensitized of the real shock that now gentiles are ingrafted into the covenant people. 'All' people, not just an ethnic or law keeping people.
Anyhow, time for dinner
The text you provided does not prove your point:
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Saviour,4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man[a] Christ Jesus,6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
This is just a very quick cursory answer as Im about to get my dinner
As Timothy says here we pray for 'All people' (2:1), so who are these 'all' people? its not just one group it is people from all walks of life not just those in authority (2:1-2). So when reading verses 1 and 2 we can see it is people of all stature.
So without even going any further in the text, we can see that Paul here in verses 1 thru to 15 is talking about prayer, intercession for all people,
regarding 'desire' (v4) all men to be saved. This is in contrast to the tendency of the false teacher who were narrow as in some form of law keeping (1:7-11). Paul was countering these 'exclusive' teachings of the law brigade.
Obviously 'all' cannot mean all will be saved as that would be universalism. Whether you hold an Arminian position or a Reformed position, this passage declares that the proclamation of the gospel is a free and universal call to 'all'. That God 'desires' shows His goodwill.
This passage on its own will never ever be a proof for Arminianism or Reformed position. We need to take the whole counsel of God into consideration. One of Paul's chief concerns and we can read this in nearly all his writings is the 'wall of hostility; being torn between Jew and Gentile.. 'all' people are now called not just by Ethnicity or by Law keeping. In our times we are de-sensitized of the real shock that now gentiles are ingrafted into the covenant people. 'All' people, not just an ethnic or law keeping people.
Anyhow, time for dinner
What’s for dinner .
Blessings
Bill