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They were already in full understanding of the Sabbath as it is written. Why would Peter have to command them to do commandments they were already keeping?
Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Once again the bible proves your preaching wrong.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
The Gentiles already knew about God's Test Commandment, His Sabbath, and were observing it just like Peter and Jesus did.
But they needed to repent and change their eating habits according to the Food laws God gave Moses. So Peter commanded them to stop eating from animals strangled and eating blood as Moses instructed.
And they needed to change and repent from creating images of God in the likeness of man or anything else as Moses Commanded.. So Peter commanded them to abstain from idolatry.
And they needed to repent and turn to God where fornication was concerned, so Peter Commanded them to repent and bring works worth of repentance as Moses commanded. (Go and fornicate no more)
You don't know this because you don't study in obedience. Everything you know about the Word of God has been filtered through Mainstream Christianity which openly "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their man made Traditions."
This is why Paul taught to:
2 Cor. 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
There is nothing in the whole Book of Acts or anywhere else in the entire Bible that makes Peter actions in Acts 15 void. What he told the New Converts is what he told them.
Yes, it exposes mainstream doctrine as false, yes, you were never taught this truth. But look into it for yourself. Peter kept the New converts away from the "Sect of the Pharisees" that believed and sent them to Moses to learn just like Jesus instructed His Apostles in Matt. 23.
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
As I said before, please supply scripture to support your understanding of what Peter commanded the New Converts to do.
You keep saying I don't want to talk about Biblical things. This is another false witness, I implore you to ask anything regarding God's Word. I love nothing better than to discuss His Word and His warnings.
And you can show me where Peter didn't do exactly what I said he did in acts 15 as well. I welcome the biblical support for your assertion that I got Peter wrong.
And I thought
Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Once again the bible proves your preaching wrong.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
The Gentiles already knew about God's Test Commandment, His Sabbath, and were observing it just like Peter and Jesus did.
But they needed to repent and change their eating habits according to the Food laws God gave Moses. So Peter commanded them to stop eating from animals strangled and eating blood as Moses instructed.
And they needed to change and repent from creating images of God in the likeness of man or anything else as Moses Commanded.. So Peter commanded them to abstain from idolatry.
And they needed to repent and turn to God where fornication was concerned, so Peter Commanded them to repent and bring works worth of repentance as Moses commanded. (Go and fornicate no more)
You don't know this because you don't study in obedience. Everything you know about the Word of God has been filtered through Mainstream Christianity which openly "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their man made Traditions."
This is why Paul taught to:
2 Cor. 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
There is nothing in the whole Book of Acts or anywhere else in the entire Bible that makes Peter actions in Acts 15 void. What he told the New Converts is what he told them.
Yes, it exposes mainstream doctrine as false, yes, you were never taught this truth. But look into it for yourself. Peter kept the New converts away from the "Sect of the Pharisees" that believed and sent them to Moses to learn just like Jesus instructed His Apostles in Matt. 23.
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
As I said before, please supply scripture to support your understanding of what Peter commanded the New Converts to do.
You keep saying I don't want to talk about Biblical things. This is another false witness, I implore you to ask anything regarding God's Word. I love nothing better than to discuss His Word and His warnings.
And you can show me where Peter didn't do exactly what I said he did in acts 15 as well. I welcome the biblical support for your assertion that I got Peter wrong.
And I thought
I understand you preach God's Laws are not for Christians.
I understand you preach the Pharisees were trying to obey God's Laws.
I understand these doctrines are taught almost universally by Mainstream preachers of our time, but I don't believe the Bible supports these teachings and I have made my case, in length, to support why I don't believe them.
We just disagree that's all.
I understand you preach the Pharisees were trying to obey God's Laws.
I understand these doctrines are taught almost universally by Mainstream preachers of our time, but I don't believe the Bible supports these teachings and I have made my case, in length, to support why I don't believe them.
We just disagree that's all.
in Acts 13 , in v.26, Paul says that those in Jerusalem did not understand Jesus and the prophets, and how killing Christ fulfilled the prophecies. then in verse 39, Paul says clearly that those who believe in Jesus are justified and declared free from guilt , which the Law of Moses could not do.
these were the things that the people asked them back the next Sabbath to hear, not the law., which I just clearly showed what Paul said about the Law. but, most of you law folks do not really believe Paul anyway.
sorry e.g. ,this is your thread , but there is just so much deception and misinformation in this guy's posts, it needs to be addressed.
studyman, I do not have time to explain the whole Bible for you, you clearly need someone to, because these verses you keep plucking out do not have the meaning you try to say.
these were the things that the people asked them back the next Sabbath to hear, not the law., which I just clearly showed what Paul said about the Law. but, most of you law folks do not really believe Paul anyway.
sorry e.g. ,this is your thread , but there is just so much deception and misinformation in this guy's posts, it needs to be addressed.
studyman, I do not have time to explain the whole Bible for you, you clearly need someone to, because these verses you keep plucking out do not have the meaning you try to say.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 8:11, “And she said, “No one, Master.” And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to her, “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:16-20, “Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? But thanks to Yah that you were servants of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching to which you were entrusted. And having been set free from sin, you became servants of righteousness. I speak as a man, because of the weakness of your flesh. For even as you did present your members as servants of uncleanness, and of lawlessness resulting in lawlessness, so now present your members as servants of righteousness resulting in set-apartness. For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 2:19, "However, the solid foundation of Yah stands firm, having this seal*, “ [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]knows those who are His, Let everyone who names the Name of Messiah turn away from unrighteousness.”
Strong's Concordance *"seal"is word #G4973 - sphragis: a seal, a signet, Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: sphragis, Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece'), Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof, Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:16-20, “Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? But thanks to Yah that you were servants of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching to which you were entrusted. And having been set free from sin, you became servants of righteousness. I speak as a man, because of the weakness of your flesh. For even as you did present your members as servants of uncleanness, and of lawlessness resulting in lawlessness, so now present your members as servants of righteousness resulting in set-apartness. For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 2:19, "However, the solid foundation of Yah stands firm, having this seal*, “ [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]knows those who are His, Let everyone who names the Name of Messiah turn away from unrighteousness.”
Strong's Concordance *"seal"is word #G4973 - sphragis: a seal, a signet, Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: sphragis, Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece'), Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof, Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.[/FONT]
I can only go by what you say EG. If you miss-spoke or have changed your mind, let me know. I hold no grudge. But it doesn't seem fair and just for you to say something like "the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by keeping God's Laws," or like "God's law isn't made for Christians", and then accuse me of lying and being stupid because I assumed you believed what you wrote.
I thought the topic was the false application of the law which is dear to my heart.
As far as victory over sin, IF we repent and bring works worthy of repentance, Jesus gives us victory over sin. Isn't that the first step? Isn't that what Paul teaches the Gentiles and the Jews?
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
The Mainstream Preachers of Paul's time pretty much hated this preaching. But how can we receive Grace without works worthy of repentance given this teaching?
I'm not speaking about the Levitical "Works of the Law" for justification of sins that God's Grace replaced, but the universal Commandments Abraham was blessed for obeying. We are to have "the Faith of Abraham" yes?
So these are my questions EG. I await your reply.
I thought the topic was the false application of the law which is dear to my heart.
As far as victory over sin, IF we repent and bring works worthy of repentance, Jesus gives us victory over sin. Isn't that the first step? Isn't that what Paul teaches the Gentiles and the Jews?
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
The Mainstream Preachers of Paul's time pretty much hated this preaching. But how can we receive Grace without works worthy of repentance given this teaching?
I'm not speaking about the Levitical "Works of the Law" for justification of sins that God's Grace replaced, but the universal Commandments Abraham was blessed for obeying. We are to have "the Faith of Abraham" yes?
So these are my questions EG. I await your reply.
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”
Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
Psalm 25:8-10, “Righteous and upright is יהוה: therefore will he teach sinners in the way. The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way. All the paths of יהוה are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.”
Jeremiah 24:7, “And I shall give them a heart to know Me, that I am יהוה. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength, for they shall turn back to Me with all their heart.”
2 Corinthians 5:17, “Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature – the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become renewed!”
Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."
Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”
Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
Psalm 25:8-10, “Righteous and upright is יהוה: therefore will he teach sinners in the way. The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way. All the paths of יהוה are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.”
Jeremiah 24:7, “And I shall give them a heart to know Me, that I am יהוה. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength, for they shall turn back to Me with all their heart.”
2 Corinthians 5:17, “Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature – the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become renewed!”
=gb9;3350957]in Acts 13 , in v.26,
Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Why did Paul preach these mainstream preachers didn't know Jesus or believe the Prophets?
Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Am I to believe this explanation or reject this explanation.
t The "Law of Moses" said if I sinned, to take a goat, give it to the Levite Priest, the Levite Priest would perform ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" for justification of sins. But the Law and Prophets taught that it wasn't the Blood of Goats, But God's mercy that saved us. Jesus forgave sins without observing the Levitical Priesthood even once. This is what Paul is explaining to the Jews.
Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
There was only one part of the Law of Moses that dealt with remission/forgiveness of sins and that is the Levitical Priesthood (Heb. 7-10)
Should I reject this truth so I can follow your religion? Or should I accept this truth even if no one else has?
You are ignorant of God's instructions, therefore you are ignorant of what Paul is speaking about when he talks about God's instructions. What do the scribes read every Sabbath Day? Will they learn about the Mainstream doctrines and traditions of man? Or will they learn about the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness?
It is typical that you keep moving the bar, changing the subject, deflecting and moving to the next and the next and the next scripture you try to use to beat another scripture up and so on. You refuse to even acknowledge what Peter really said in Acts 15, and you just keep jumping to the next verse in the hopes of finding one strong enough to destroy all the scripture you don't believe. It will never happen. Man made Doctrines will come and go, but the Word of God will be here forever.
All scripture confirms itself, no scripture contradicts another. I use the whole Bible and every verse to live in. It is your understanding of scripture that forces you to ignore volumes of God's Word because they contradict your mainstream church doctrine, as prophesied I might add.
You make accusations and assume I don't know what I'm talking about, but you never make your case using scripture.
I told you the truth about Acts 15 and what Peter had the New Converts do and you ignored it. I told you the truth about Paul teaches and you don't agree, but you refuse to make a scriptural defense of your doctrines.
Why don't you address all this misinformation then. Show me where I am wrong regarding Peter and the New Converts in Acts 15.
I eagerly await your knowledge and wisdom of the Word.
Why did Paul preach these mainstream preachers didn't know Jesus or believe the Prophets?
Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Am I to believe this explanation or reject this explanation.
t The "Law of Moses" said if I sinned, to take a goat, give it to the Levite Priest, the Levite Priest would perform ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" for justification of sins. But the Law and Prophets taught that it wasn't the Blood of Goats, But God's mercy that saved us. Jesus forgave sins without observing the Levitical Priesthood even once. This is what Paul is explaining to the Jews.
Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
There was only one part of the Law of Moses that dealt with remission/forgiveness of sins and that is the Levitical Priesthood (Heb. 7-10)
Should I reject this truth so I can follow your religion? Or should I accept this truth even if no one else has?
You are ignorant of God's instructions, therefore you are ignorant of what Paul is speaking about when he talks about God's instructions. What do the scribes read every Sabbath Day? Will they learn about the Mainstream doctrines and traditions of man? Or will they learn about the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness?
It is typical that you keep moving the bar, changing the subject, deflecting and moving to the next and the next and the next scripture you try to use to beat another scripture up and so on. You refuse to even acknowledge what Peter really said in Acts 15, and you just keep jumping to the next verse in the hopes of finding one strong enough to destroy all the scripture you don't believe. It will never happen. Man made Doctrines will come and go, but the Word of God will be here forever.
All scripture confirms itself, no scripture contradicts another. I use the whole Bible and every verse to live in. It is your understanding of scripture that forces you to ignore volumes of God's Word because they contradict your mainstream church doctrine, as prophesied I might add.
You make accusations and assume I don't know what I'm talking about, but you never make your case using scripture.
I told you the truth about Acts 15 and what Peter had the New Converts do and you ignored it. I told you the truth about Paul teaches and you don't agree, but you refuse to make a scriptural defense of your doctrines.
Why don't you address all this misinformation then. Show me where I am wrong regarding Peter and the New Converts in Acts 15.
I eagerly await your knowledge and wisdom of the Word.
Are you saying that the sacrifice of a goat provided the same justification for sins that we have through Jesus?
Whats your thoughts on the following?
Romans 3:20-28
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Boasting Excluded
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Whats your thoughts on the following?
Romans 3:20-28
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Boasting Excluded
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
in the first verse of Acts 15, it states that men came and told the gentiles that they must be circumcised. Paul and Barnabas disagreed with them. ( v.2 ) then they went to Jerusalem to discuss the matter. then some believing Pharisees stated that gentiles should be circumcised and keep the Law (v.5 )
then they had discussion , in which Peter said that God had chosen to include gentiles , and that God made no distinction between jews and gentiles , cleansing their hearts by faith. ( v. 7-9)
then he ( Peter ) said- why are you testing God by putting a yoke ( the law was called the yoke of bondage, look it up ), that neither our fathers nor us could bear, we are saved through the Grace of Jesus. ( v. 11 )
then James said therefore let us not put obstacles in their ( gentiles ) way. he clearly was saying the law would be an obstacle to them. (v.19 ) amp. Bible
then he stated that Moses was read on the Sabbath. ( v 21 ) he made this to jewish men, saying they could go to synagogue if they wished to hear
then they drafted the letter, with no mention of Sabbath, synagogue, or law. just the 4 instructions , saying at the first of the letter that the men who were telling them to keep the law and be circumcised were not speaking for them. ( V 24 )
there is your commentary on Acts 15. I will not be writing you anymore. you reject this very plain truth of what this chapter says, I will not explain it again, this is the 3rd or 4th time I have.
your rejection of the clear meaning is on you. studyman.
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I do not see it, Where does this tell us we get the power to be obedient
The Bible says Gods children ARE Obedient, as apposed to those who are not Gods
what Gives them the power?
The law. or grace love and mercy?
why is it you lawyers never want to answer?
posting verses of whcih we all agree on does not help
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Are you denying there was a Levitical Priesthood used for the cleansing of sin until Jesus came?
Romans 3:20-28
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Billy,
What was the Levitical Priesthood ceremonies and sacrifices there for?
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Where is this written in the Law and Prophets?
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Did Abraham believe? Did Abraham have the Levitical Priesthood cleansing laws?
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
How was this done before Jesus came, by His blood that had not been shed yet? Or by the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works and Deeds of the Law" that was Added" until the Seed should come which was symbolic of His Blood?
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
But how was remission of sins(Transgression of God's Commandments) dealt with before "The present time"?
Boasting Excluded
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works?
Do we continue to follow the "ADDED" Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works and deeds of the law" for remission of sins?
No, but by the law of faith.
And what is the Law of Works for justification of sins created in the Bible by God?? The Levitical Priesthood that Paul said was "ADDED" because of transgression until the Seed should come. (Gal. 3:19)
Paul is explaining why even though Moses said to bring a goat to the Levites for remission of sins, the law and prophets also said there would come a time when God would intervene Himself, and He would forgive our sin personally and not through this Levitical Priesthood. He would write His Commandments on our minds and we would no longer depend on the Scribes and Pharisees to read them to us.
Rom. 1:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Abraham was justified "apart from this law" as Levi wasn't even born yet.
So why was Abraham blessed?
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Not by the "works and deeds of the Levitical Priesthood law" was Abraham justified, but by the LAW of Faith. Paul distinguishes between these two laws.
Regarding the Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins;
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Regarding the Law of Faith Abraham kept.
Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
This is a different law Billy.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
As the Scriptures regarding Abraham teach us.
I have repeated God's Warnings regarding those who come in His name to deceive. I would say from your posts that every bit of knowledge you have about God has been filtered through some mainstream religion. This is why although 100% true, you may have never seen this teaching regarding the "works of the Law".
My hope is that you and I may have a substantive honest, Biblical discussion about Paul's writings.
Please, this is not a gotcha moment, or a trap. I really want you to answer the questions I asked and just forget mainstream traditions and doctrines for a little while. If you can't do that, then there is no need to continue this conversation.
Romans 3:20-28
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Billy,
What was the Levitical Priesthood ceremonies and sacrifices there for?
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Where is this written in the Law and Prophets?
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Did Abraham believe? Did Abraham have the Levitical Priesthood cleansing laws?
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
How was this done before Jesus came, by His blood that had not been shed yet? Or by the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works and Deeds of the Law" that was Added" until the Seed should come which was symbolic of His Blood?
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
But how was remission of sins(Transgression of God's Commandments) dealt with before "The present time"?
Boasting Excluded
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works?
Do we continue to follow the "ADDED" Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works and deeds of the law" for remission of sins?
No, but by the law of faith.
And what is the Law of Works for justification of sins created in the Bible by God?? The Levitical Priesthood that Paul said was "ADDED" because of transgression until the Seed should come. (Gal. 3:19)
Paul is explaining why even though Moses said to bring a goat to the Levites for remission of sins, the law and prophets also said there would come a time when God would intervene Himself, and He would forgive our sin personally and not through this Levitical Priesthood. He would write His Commandments on our minds and we would no longer depend on the Scribes and Pharisees to read them to us.
Rom. 1:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Abraham was justified "apart from this law" as Levi wasn't even born yet.
So why was Abraham blessed?
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Not by the "works and deeds of the Levitical Priesthood law" was Abraham justified, but by the LAW of Faith. Paul distinguishes between these two laws.
Regarding the Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins;
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Regarding the Law of Faith Abraham kept.
Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
This is a different law Billy.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
As the Scriptures regarding Abraham teach us.
I have repeated God's Warnings regarding those who come in His name to deceive. I would say from your posts that every bit of knowledge you have about God has been filtered through some mainstream religion. This is why although 100% true, you may have never seen this teaching regarding the "works of the Law".
My hope is that you and I may have a substantive honest, Biblical discussion about Paul's writings.
Please, this is not a gotcha moment, or a trap. I really want you to answer the questions I asked and just forget mainstream traditions and doctrines for a little while. If you can't do that, then there is no need to continue this conversation.