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such a faul finder, and you called me a pharisee... wow you percive an "o" rather than an "a" and it's accusation time...
Proverbs 19:2, “It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.”
If you look at what his name actually was you will find out is is a combination of the word YHWH with the word chanan, or Yhchanan
“John” is word #G2491 Ἰωάννης Ioannes (yō-an'-nees) n/p.
Joannes (i.e. Jochanan), the name of four Israelites.
[of Hebrew origin (H3110)]
KJV: John
Root(s): H3110*
*H3110 יוֹחָנָן Yowchanan (yo-chaw-nawn') n/p.
1. Yahweh-favored.
2. Jochanan, the name of nine Israelites.
[a form of H3076]
KJV: Johanan.
Root(s): H3076 *
*H3076 יְהוֹחָנָן YhowChanan (yeh-ho-chaw-nawn') n/p.
1. Yahweh-favored.
2. Jehochanan, the name of eight Israelites.
[from H3068 and H2603]
KJV: Jehohanan, Johanan.
Root(s): H3068*, H2603*
Compare: H3110
*H3068 יְהוָה Yhvah (yeh-vaw') n/p.
יְהוָֹה Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw')
יְהוֹ Yhow (yeh-ho') [as a prefix]
1. (meaning) the self-Existent or Eternal, the I AM.
2. (person) Yahweh (Yehvah), Jewish national name of God.
3. (anglicized) Jehovah.
4. (as a name prefix) Yeho-.
5. (As expressed in Hebraic Koine Greek) ἐγώ εἰμί, I AM (literally: I myself, I am).
[from H1961]
KJV: Jehovah, the Lord.
Root(s): H1961
Compare: H3050, H3069
See also: G1510
*H2603 חָנַן chanan (chaw-nan') v.
1. (properly) to bend or stoop in kindness to an inferior.
2. to favor, bestow.
3. (causatively) to implore (i.e. move to favor by petition).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beseech, X fair, (be, find, shew) favour(-able), be (deal, give, grant (gracious(-ly), intreat, (be) merciful, have (shew) mercy (on, upon), have pity upon, pray, make supplication, X very.
Compare: H2583
Proverbs 19:2, “It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.”
If you look at what his name actually was you will find out is is a combination of the word YHWH with the word chanan, or Yhchanan
“John” is word #G2491 Ἰωάννης Ioannes (yō-an'-nees) n/p.
Joannes (i.e. Jochanan), the name of four Israelites.
[of Hebrew origin (H3110)]
KJV: John
Root(s): H3110*
*H3110 יוֹחָנָן Yowchanan (yo-chaw-nawn') n/p.
1. Yahweh-favored.
2. Jochanan, the name of nine Israelites.
[a form of H3076]
KJV: Johanan.
Root(s): H3076 *
*H3076 יְהוֹחָנָן YhowChanan (yeh-ho-chaw-nawn') n/p.
1. Yahweh-favored.
2. Jehochanan, the name of eight Israelites.
[from H3068 and H2603]
KJV: Jehohanan, Johanan.
Root(s): H3068*, H2603*
Compare: H3110
*H3068 יְהוָה Yhvah (yeh-vaw') n/p.
יְהוָֹה Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw')
יְהוֹ Yhow (yeh-ho') [as a prefix]
1. (meaning) the self-Existent or Eternal, the I AM.
2. (person) Yahweh (Yehvah), Jewish national name of God.
3. (anglicized) Jehovah.
4. (as a name prefix) Yeho-.
5. (As expressed in Hebraic Koine Greek) ἐγώ εἰμί, I AM (literally: I myself, I am).
[from H1961]
KJV: Jehovah, the Lord.
Root(s): H1961
Compare: H3050, H3069
See also: G1510
*H2603 חָנַן chanan (chaw-nan') v.
1. (properly) to bend or stoop in kindness to an inferior.
2. to favor, bestow.
3. (causatively) to implore (i.e. move to favor by petition).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beseech, X fair, (be, find, shew) favour(-able), be (deal, give, grant (gracious(-ly), intreat, (be) merciful, have (shew) mercy (on, upon), have pity upon, pray, make supplication, X very.
Compare: H2583
Matthew 7:1-5, “Do not judge, lest you be judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you. And why do you look at the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the plank in your own eye? Or how is it that you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the splinter out of your eye,’ and see, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you shall see clearly to remove the splinter out of your brother’s eye.”
Titus 2
God's Grace Brings Salvation
God's Grace Brings Salvation
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Edifying perhaps ???
Matthew 5:18 [FONT="]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[/FONT]Interesting that it is legalists and judaizers that love to post this verse all over the place.
And then you cry about being judged for making a spelling mistake?
Do you understand what IRONY is?
Irony -[FONT="] (1) :incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result
(2) :an event or result marked by such incongruity
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]b[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]:incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play — called also dramatic irony, tragic irony
[/FONT]Incongruous-
1.out of keeping or place; inappropriate; unbecoming:an incongruous effect; incongruous behavior.
2.not harmonious in character; inconsonant; lacking harmony of parts:an incongruous mixture of architectural styles.
3.inconsistent:
actions that were incongruous with their professed principles.
[/FONT]Interesting that it is legalists and judaizers that love to post this verse all over the place.
And then you cry about being judged for making a spelling mistake?
Do you understand what IRONY is?
Irony -[FONT="] (1) :incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result
(2) :an event or result marked by such incongruity
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]b[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]:incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play — called also dramatic irony, tragic irony
[/FONT]Incongruous-
1.out of keeping or place; inappropriate; unbecoming:an incongruous effect; incongruous behavior.
2.not harmonious in character; inconsonant; lacking harmony of parts:an incongruous mixture of architectural styles.
3.inconsistent:
actions that were incongruous with their professed principles.
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I have yet to find one verse in the entire Bible that confirms your preaching that God's Commandments are a Yoke and Burden to mankind?
I have asked over and over for one verse where Jesus or any of the Prophets of old ever said the Pharisees were trying to Keep God's Commandments and that is why they were burdened.
I fear you are preaching your own doctrine from your own mind and calling it God's Word, just like the Pharisees were preaching their own doctrines and calling it the Law of Moses. I was hoping you might consider the warnings of Christ and think about why you are teaching falsehoods about Jesus. I'm sure you mean well, but isn't this the kind of things brother are for?
Your foundation is built on two common falsehood taught by mainstream preachers today..
#1. God's Commandment's are a burden and a yoke to mankind.
#2. The Mainstream Preachers, Pharisees, were trying to walk in the Commandments of God for salvation.
I have asked for Biblical support for these beliefs and have been provided nothing that supports these teachings.
Paul said God's Laws are "Good" "Just" "Holy".
You say they were a Yoke and a burden.
Who should I believe?
The "Sect of the Pharisees" were trying to put obstacles in the Disciples and New Converts way by commanding them to keep doctrines and traditions they called "the law of Moses". But after Peter spoke with them he realized they were preaching the same man made doctrines and traditions the Pharisees taught which, as Jesus said, was not the Commandments of God, but were doctrines and traditions of man.
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
I have asked for Biblical Support that the "Fathers" were trying to follow God's Laws and this is what they couldn't bear. But Jesus and the Prophets, and Paul clearly said the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time and before were not trying to follow God's Laws but had created their own doctrines and traditions which transgressed the commandment of God.
Your preaching that Peter rejected these "law keepers" because they were teaching obedience to God is just not true.
Another creation of your own mind, the gentiles were listening to Moses as Jesus instructed long before this as I have already shown, not with my own mind or some religious franchise owners sermon, but with the Word of God.
James never mentioned the First and greatest Commandment, no mention of "Love your neighbor", no mention of "Thou shall not kill".
I already addressed this to you and you ignored and rejected it.
I already know my belief in contrary to the man made doctrines and traditions called mainstream preaching. So I openly admit I REJECT the foundation of your preaching.
You can make all the snarky comments you want, it still doesn't hide the fact that you preach
#1. God Commandments are a burden to mankind.
#2. The Pharisees were trying to obey God.
Both can not be supported by any scripture which is my point to begin with.
I am hoping you will maybe, in a dark corner of your mind, think about what the Scripture actually says and believe on the Jesus of the Bible instead of the long haired image of God created in the likeness of man.
I have asked over and over for one verse where Jesus or any of the Prophets of old ever said the Pharisees were trying to Keep God's Commandments and that is why they were burdened.
I fear you are preaching your own doctrine from your own mind and calling it God's Word, just like the Pharisees were preaching their own doctrines and calling it the Law of Moses. I was hoping you might consider the warnings of Christ and think about why you are teaching falsehoods about Jesus. I'm sure you mean well, but isn't this the kind of things brother are for?
Your foundation is built on two common falsehood taught by mainstream preachers today..
#1. God's Commandment's are a burden and a yoke to mankind.
#2. The Mainstream Preachers, Pharisees, were trying to walk in the Commandments of God for salvation.
I have asked for Biblical support for these beliefs and have been provided nothing that supports these teachings.
Paul said God's Laws are "Good" "Just" "Holy".
You say they were a Yoke and a burden.
Who should I believe?
The "Sect of the Pharisees" were trying to put obstacles in the Disciples and New Converts way by commanding them to keep doctrines and traditions they called "the law of Moses". But after Peter spoke with them he realized they were preaching the same man made doctrines and traditions the Pharisees taught which, as Jesus said, was not the Commandments of God, but were doctrines and traditions of man.
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
I have asked for Biblical Support that the "Fathers" were trying to follow God's Laws and this is what they couldn't bear. But Jesus and the Prophets, and Paul clearly said the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time and before were not trying to follow God's Laws but had created their own doctrines and traditions which transgressed the commandment of God.
Your preaching that Peter rejected these "law keepers" because they were teaching obedience to God is just not true.
Another creation of your own mind, the gentiles were listening to Moses as Jesus instructed long before this as I have already shown, not with my own mind or some religious franchise owners sermon, but with the Word of God.
James never mentioned the First and greatest Commandment, no mention of "Love your neighbor", no mention of "Thou shall not kill".
I already addressed this to you and you ignored and rejected it.
I already know my belief in contrary to the man made doctrines and traditions called mainstream preaching. So I openly admit I REJECT the foundation of your preaching.
You can make all the snarky comments you want, it still doesn't hide the fact that you preach
#1. God Commandments are a burden to mankind.
#2. The Pharisees were trying to obey God.
Both can not be supported by any scripture which is my point to begin with.
I am hoping you will maybe, in a dark corner of your mind, think about what the Scripture actually says and believe on the Jesus of the Bible instead of the long haired image of God created in the likeness of man.
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You mean like paul said in the op?
1 Tim 1: 3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
funny how things go full circle. And yet nothing seems to be resolved.
Matthew 23:1-2
[FONT="]1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Acts 15:5,10
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?[/FONT]
[FONT="]1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Acts 15:5,10
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?[/FONT]
Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Imagine that.....Paul lists all the reasons he can have confidence in the flesh and HE WAS a PHARISEE and concerning the righteousness which is based upon adherence to the LAW he was BLAMELESS.........
and yet he counted ALL of these things as WORTHLESS DUNG as compared to the knowledge of Christ
YOU KNOW WHY.....
a. BECAUSE the LAW condemns and PROVES GUILT
b. UNLESS ONE KEEPS THE LAW 24/7/365 their whole life without breaking one iota they ARE A LW BREAKER, CONDEMNED and GUILTY
YOU guys just do not get it....NO ONE keeps the LAW...........and the reason FAITH fulfills or establishes it is because the righteousness of JESUS, who was the only one to EVERY KEEP THE LAW, is imputed and APPLIED by FAITH and BLOOD to all who place their complete TRUST INTO HIS WORK on our behalf.....
THEREFORE, we CONCLUDE and MAN is justified BY FAITH without WORKS (of the law)
Imagine that.....Paul lists all the reasons he can have confidence in the flesh and HE WAS a PHARISEE and concerning the righteousness which is based upon adherence to the LAW he was BLAMELESS.........
and yet he counted ALL of these things as WORTHLESS DUNG as compared to the knowledge of Christ
YOU KNOW WHY.....
a. BECAUSE the LAW condemns and PROVES GUILT
b. UNLESS ONE KEEPS THE LAW 24/7/365 their whole life without breaking one iota they ARE A LW BREAKER, CONDEMNED and GUILTY
YOU guys just do not get it....NO ONE keeps the LAW...........and the reason FAITH fulfills or establishes it is because the righteousness of JESUS, who was the only one to EVERY KEEP THE LAW, is imputed and APPLIED by FAITH and BLOOD to all who place their complete TRUST INTO HIS WORK on our behalf.....
THEREFORE, we CONCLUDE and MAN is justified BY FAITH without WORKS (of the law)
So I understand, as Jesus clearly taught over and over, that the "Pharisees" called their man made doctrines and commandments "the Law of Moses", but Jesus said they were doctrines and commandments of men.
I know they SAID they were preaching the laws of Moses, but you quoted Matt. 23, well to be honest, you left that part out.
Here, let's finish it so as to get a more complete understanding of His Word..
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they (Pharisees, Not God)bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Peter would have known this because Jesus directed these Words to him, as his actions in acts 15 shows.
"Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
So Grand Pa, who is it that lays heavy burdens on the backs of men that they can not bear?
Not God as you and most of MC preach, but man in their religious doctrines and traditions.
It's right there in your Bible if you will humble yourself to it.
Look at what that one lie does to your entire foundation of belief. The Yoke and Burden mentioned in Acts 15 is the man made doctrines and traditions that the fake preachers of Christ's time laid on the backs of the fathers and the disciples before Jesus exposed their false religion.
Peter rebuked these preachers, (Why Temp Ye God) and then directed the new converts away from their preaching to Moses and God's Commandments.
"21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day."
So the Apostles directed the New Converts to the Scribes to listen to Moses EXACTLY the same way Jesus instructed the Apostles in Matt. 23, the scripture you posted.
He didn't have to tell them about God's Holy Sabbaths because if your read more than just that once sentence you will find they had been going to learn from Moses on God's Sabbath for some time.
Peter didn't have to tell them about loving God with all your heart, the first and greatest commandment you all claim to live by, because they had already heard Moses instruct this commandment.
James didn't have to tell them to love their neighbor because they had already listened to Moses instruct this Commandment.
But there were a few things they needed to refrain from that they had not learned from Moses yet.
They were still involved somehow in idolatry, maybe they were creating images of God in the likeness of some long haired pretty boy. So the Apostles commanded them to stop this lawless behavior as Moses commanded.
They were still involved in pagan eating practices, so they directed them to some of God's Food Laws regarding how meat is prepared and the drinking of blood.
They were transgressing God's Commandments where sexual behavior is concerned, so Pater commanded them to "go and fornicate no more" as Moses also commanded.
So is this it? You preach to everyone that will listen that God's Commandments are the burden and Yoke on the backs of men based on these scripture?
Do have any other scriptures to support your preaching that it is God's word that is the Yoke and Burden on the necks of mankind?
I know they SAID they were preaching the laws of Moses, but you quoted Matt. 23, well to be honest, you left that part out.
Here, let's finish it so as to get a more complete understanding of His Word..
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they (Pharisees, Not God)bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Peter would have known this because Jesus directed these Words to him, as his actions in acts 15 shows.
"Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
So Grand Pa, who is it that lays heavy burdens on the backs of men that they can not bear?
Not God as you and most of MC preach, but man in their religious doctrines and traditions.
It's right there in your Bible if you will humble yourself to it.
Look at what that one lie does to your entire foundation of belief. The Yoke and Burden mentioned in Acts 15 is the man made doctrines and traditions that the fake preachers of Christ's time laid on the backs of the fathers and the disciples before Jesus exposed their false religion.
Peter rebuked these preachers, (Why Temp Ye God) and then directed the new converts away from their preaching to Moses and God's Commandments.
"21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day."
So the Apostles directed the New Converts to the Scribes to listen to Moses EXACTLY the same way Jesus instructed the Apostles in Matt. 23, the scripture you posted.
He didn't have to tell them about God's Holy Sabbaths because if your read more than just that once sentence you will find they had been going to learn from Moses on God's Sabbath for some time.
Peter didn't have to tell them about loving God with all your heart, the first and greatest commandment you all claim to live by, because they had already heard Moses instruct this commandment.
James didn't have to tell them to love their neighbor because they had already listened to Moses instruct this Commandment.
But there were a few things they needed to refrain from that they had not learned from Moses yet.
They were still involved somehow in idolatry, maybe they were creating images of God in the likeness of some long haired pretty boy. So the Apostles commanded them to stop this lawless behavior as Moses commanded.
They were still involved in pagan eating practices, so they directed them to some of God's Food Laws regarding how meat is prepared and the drinking of blood.
They were transgressing God's Commandments where sexual behavior is concerned, so Pater commanded them to "go and fornicate no more" as Moses also commanded.
So is this it? You preach to everyone that will listen that God's Commandments are the burden and Yoke on the backs of men based on these scripture?
Do have any other scriptures to support your preaching that it is God's word that is the Yoke and Burden on the necks of mankind?
I'm not the one preaching the lie that God's "Good" "Just" "Holy" and Spiritual Commandments are the burden and yoke on the backs of mankind. I'm not the one preaching the out and out falsehood that the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time were trying to obey God's Commandments.
I'm trying to help my brothers by exposing these false doctrines in the hopes that those preaching or following them might repent and turn to God and His Righteousness, and stop creating their own.
I fully expect to garner the anger and ridicule of those who care more about their religion than about the Jesus of the Bible and His instruction.
I'm trying to help my brothers by exposing these false doctrines in the hopes that those preaching or following them might repent and turn to God and His Righteousness, and stop creating their own.
I fully expect to garner the anger and ridicule of those who care more about their religion than about the Jesus of the Bible and His instruction.
Let us not fall into the same trap that Israel fell into.
Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES.
Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES.