The Immediate Fiery Destruction After The Pre Trib Rapture

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Scriptural references will be posted singularly as best as possible in each post testifying to this effect. Some posts may have several references.

Luke 17:[SUP]26 [/SUP]And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.[SUP]28 [/SUP]Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;[SUP] 29 [/SUP]But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.[SUP] 30 [/SUP]Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.[SUP] 32 [/SUP]Remember Lot's wife.[SUP] 33 [/SUP]Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.[SUP] 37 [/SUP]And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

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2 Peter 3:[SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,[SUP] 12 [/SUP]Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.[SUP]15[/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Many believers attribute that last verse as referring to eternal salvation when in context, it is about being saved from the wrath that is to come upon the earth for which those who longsuffering are leaning on Him in following Him to escape from.

 

[Hizikyah]

There is no "pre tribulation rapture"

Mat 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”

Isaiah 24:1-6, "See, יהוה is making the earth empty and making it waste, and shall overturn its surface, and shall scatter abroad its inhabitants. 2 And it shall be – as with the people so with the priest, as with the servant so with his master, as with the female servant so with her mistress, as with the buyer so with the seller, as with the lender so with the borrower, as with the creditor so with the debtor; 3 the earth is completely emptied and utterly plundered, for יהוה has spoken this word. 4 The earth shall mourn and wither, the world shall languish and wither, the haughty people of the earth shall languish. 5 For the earth has been defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the Torah, changed the law, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore a curse shall consume the earth, and those who dwell in it be punished. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth shall be burned, and few men shall be left.”

Mat 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

Mat 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zephaniah 3:8, “Therefore wait for Me,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “until the day I rise up for plunder. For My judgment is to gather nations, to assemble reigns, to pour out on them My rage, all My burning wrath. For by the fire of My jealousy all the earth shall be consumed.”[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malachi/Malakyah 4:1-4, “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch. 2 “But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall. 3 “And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה of hosts. 4 “Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’ĕl – laws and right-rulings."

[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3, "1 This is now, beloved ones, the second letter I write to you, in which I stir up your sincere mind, to remember 2 the words previously spoken by the set-apart prophets, and of the command of the Master and Saviour, spoken by your emissaries, 3 knowing this first: that mockers shall come in the last days with mocking, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all continues as from the beginning of creation.” 5 For they choose to have this hidden from them: that the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by the Word of Yah, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 And the present heavens and the earth are treasured up by the same Word, being kept for fire, to a day of judgment and destruction of wicked men. 8 But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is not slow in regard to the promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward us, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up. 11 Seeing all these are to be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be in set-apart (holy) behaviour and reverence,”[/FONT][/FONT]​

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[Dino246]

If you know of any testifying to this effect, you may share as well.

I honestly wonder how anyone could "testify to the effect" of an event that hasn't taken place.

 

[dcontroversal]

BINGO...............

There is no "pre tribulation rapture"

Mat 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”

Isaiah 24:1-6, "See, יהוה is making the earth empty and making it waste, and shall overturn its surface, and shall scatter abroad its inhabitants. 2 And it shall be – as with the people so with the priest, as with the servant so with his master, as with the female servant so with her mistress, as with the buyer so with the seller, as with the lender so with the borrower, as with the creditor so with the debtor; 3 the earth is completely emptied and utterly plundered, for יהוה has spoken this word. 4 The earth shall mourn and wither, the world shall languish and wither, the haughty people of the earth shall languish. 5 For the earth has been defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the Torah, changed the law, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore a curse shall consume the earth, and those who dwell in it be punished. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth shall be burned, and few men shall be left.”

Mat 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

Mat 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”

Zephaniah 3:8, “Therefore wait for Me,” declares יהוה, “until the day I rise up for plunder. For My judgment is to gather nations, to assemble reigns, to pour out on them My rage, all My burning wrath. For by the fire of My jealousy all the earth shall be consumed.”​

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Malachi/Malakyah 4:1-4, “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said יהוה of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch. 2 “But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall. 3 “And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said יהוה of hosts. 4 “Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’ĕl – laws and right-rulings."

2 Peter/Kepha 3, "1 This is now, beloved ones, the second letter I write to you, in which I stir up your sincere mind, to remember 2 the words previously spoken by the set-apart prophets, and of the command of the Master and Saviour, spoken by your emissaries, 3 knowing this first: that mockers shall come in the last days with mocking, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all continues as from the beginning of creation.” 5 For they choose to have this hidden from them: that the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by the Word of Yah, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 And the present heavens and the earth are treasured up by the same Word, being kept for fire, to a day of judgment and destruction of wicked men. 8 But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 יהוה is not slow in regard to the promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward us, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of יהוה shall come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up. 11 Seeing all these are to be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be in set-apart (holy) behaviour and reverence,”


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Revelation 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,[SUP] 7 [/SUP]Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,[SUP] 10 [/SUP]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:[SUP] 11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

I submit that Babylon's destruction happened right after the pre trib rapture and after the everlasting gospel was preached to all over the world as those 3 angels are setting up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth.

At the link in Revelation 18th chapter, you will read in detail of the calamity containing the death of those saints that got left behind for why their works shall follow them into the dust as they will be burned up.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+18&version=KJV

 

[Enow]

There is no "pre tribulation rapture"

Mat 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”

There is tribulation; then there is great tribulation. They are not one and the same.

Matthew 24:[SUP]20 [/SUP]But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.[SUP]22 [/SUP]And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Since those left behind will not be saved from the calamity to come, the elect days shall be shortened on the earth for His disciples to escape the great tribulation so as to attend the Marriage Supper.

Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

That is what is happening in Babylon in Revelation 18th chapter for those saints found in unrepentant iniquity, are to be disqualified and this reprobate in being left behind unless they repent.

There is an escape....as this warning cannot apply towards the end of the great tribulation for believers, but applied to the way the world is now before the great tribulation.

Luke 21:[SUP]33[/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP]34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

We are in the last days suffering tribulations in the world, but that is nothing compared to the coming great tribulation which will occur after the pre trib rapture.

I know it is contradictory to use the abbreviated term pre trib rapture, so I probably should be using this instead as a reference.. the pre great trib rapture.

 

[Enow]

BINGO...............

Sorry. Wrong game. No BINGO here. The fiery judgment is coming and there is an escape not afforded to all believers.

Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

There is tribulation; and then there is great tribulation which is under the mark of the beast system to buy & sell to survive in that changed world after that calamity from what we are living in now.

 

[Hizikyah]

There is tribulation and the wrath of the Most High, the wrath starts at the 7th trumpet when the elect are gathered.

Seventh seal Revelation 8:1-6, "And when He opened the seventh seal, there came to be silence in the heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven messengers who stand before יהוה, and to them were given seven trumpets. And another messenger came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer, and much incense was given to him, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the set-apart ones upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the set-apart ones, went up before יהוה from the hand of the messenger. And the messenger took the censer, and filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, and thunders, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven messengers who held the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

This shows us the 7 Trumpets are contained within the 7th Seal;

"And when He opened the seventh seal,...the seven messengers who stand before יהוה, and to them were given seven trumpets...the seven messengers who held the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

Seventh Trumpet Revelation 11:15-19, "And the seventh messenger sounded, and there came to be loud voices in the heaven, saying, “The reign of this world has become the reign of our Master, and of His Messiah, and He shall reign forever and ever!”And the twenty-four elders sitting before יהוה on their thrones fell on their faces and worshipped יהוה, saying, “We give You thanks, O יהוה Strength Almighty, the One who is and who was and who is coming, because You have taken Your great power and reigned. And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come, and the time of the dead to be judged, and to give the reward to Your servants the prophets and to the set-apart ones, and to those who fear Your Name, small and great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth. And the Dwelling Place of יהוה was opened in the heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His Dwelling Place. And there came to be lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

Revelation 15:1-8, “And I saw another sign in the heaven, great and marvelous: seven messengers having the seven last plagues, for the wrath of יהוה was ended in them. And I saw like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those overcoming the beast and his image and his mark and the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of יהוה. And they sing the song of Mosheh the servant of יהוה, and the song of the Lamb, saying, “Great and marvelous are Your works, יהוה Strength Almighty! Righteous and true are Your ways, O Sovereign of the set-apart ones! Who shall not fear You, O יהוה, and esteem Your Name? Because You alone are kind. Because all nations shall come and worship before You, for Your righteousness have been made manifest.”And after this I looked and saw the Dwelling Place of the Tent of Witness in the heaven was opened. And out of the Dwelling Place came the seven messengers having the seven plagues, dressed in clean bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands. And one of the four living creatures gave to the seven messengers seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of יהוה who lives forever and ever. And the Dwelling Place was filled with smoke from the esteem of יהוה and from His power, and no one was able to enter the Dwelling Place until the seven plagues of the seven messengers were ended.”

First Vial/Bowl Revelation 16:2, “And the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and an evil and wicked sore came upon the men, those having the mark of the beast and those worshipping his image.”

Second Vial/Bowl Revelation 16:3, "And the second messenger poured out his bowl on the sea, and it became blood, as of a dead one, and every living creature in the sea died."

Third Vial/Bowl Revelation 16:4-7, "And the third messenger poured out his bowl on the rivers and fountains of water, and they became blood. And I heard the messenger of the waters saying, “You are righteous, O יהוה, the One who is and who was and who shall be, because You have judged these. Because they have shed the blood of set-apart ones and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. For they deserve it. And I heard another out of the sacrifice-place saying, “Yes, יהוה Strength Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments.”

Fourth Vial/Bowl Revelation 16:8-9, “And the fourth messenger poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was given to him to burn men with fire. And men were burned with great heat, and they blasphemed the Name of יהוה who possesses authority over these plagues. And they did not repent, to give Him esteem.”

Fifth Vial/Bowl Revelation 16:10-11, "”And the fifth messenger poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his reign became darkened. And they gnawed their tongues from pain. And they blasphemed the יהוה of the heaven for their pains and their sores, and did not repent of their works.”

Sixth Vial/Bowl Revelation 16:12-16, "And the sixth messenger poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, in order to prepare the way of the sovereigns from the east. And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, as frogs, for they are spirits of demons, doing signs, which go out to the sovereigns of the entire world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of יהוה the Almighty. See, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who is staying awake and guarding his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame. And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Har Meḡiddo.”

Seventh Vial/Bowl Revelation 16:17-21, "And the seventh messenger poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the Dwelling Place of the heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done! And there came to be noises and thunders and lightnings. And there came to be a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not came to be since men were on the earth. And the great city became divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Baḇel was remembered before יהוה, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And great hail from the heaven fell upon men, every hailstone about the weight of a talent. And men blasphemed יהוה for the plague of the hail, because that plague was exceedingly great.”

 

[Snoozy]

u gotta rightly divide the word of truth or else u will be mixed up in doctrine.
thats why folks have the church going thru the time of Jacob's trouble. we are not appointed to wrath and the wrath starts when Jesus opens the first seal.

when the church is raptured God will start dealing with Israel again in their prophetic program. we will return with Jesus.

 

[Enow]

u gotta rightly divide the word of truth or else u will be mixed up in doctrine.
thats why folks have the church going thru the time of Jacob's trouble. we are not appointed to wrath and the wrath starts when Jesus opens the first seal.

when the church is raptured God will start dealing with Israel again in their prophetic program. we will return with Jesus.

Saved believers found in unrepentant iniquity will be judged as disqualified and reprobate from attending the Marriage Supper. Some believers will love this world to not want to leave it when the Bridegroom comes. The warnings from Jesus are given to believers at a time which is hardly descriptive towards the end of the great tribulation for the way that world would be in, but is descriptive for the times we are living in now to escape from what is coming on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.

The consequence of the first seal broken on the scroll cannot come until all the seven seals are broken for all those consequences in that scroll to come forth. That means the seven trumpet as in the last seventh trumpet signals the pre great tribulation rapture in setting up for how the world will be afterwards for the duration of the great tribulation.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sorry. Wrong game. No BINGO here. The fiery judgment is coming and there is an escape not afforded to all believers.

Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

There is tribulation; and then there is great tribulation which is under the mark of the beast system to buy & sell to survive in that changed world after that calamity from what we are living in now.

Tell that to the saints that have war made against them, the saints that are worn out, the saints that are overcome by the beast/little horn......for 3.5 years that is....and it is obvious who the SAINTS ARE.....saved, immersed church MEMBERS...wake up...there is NO imminent rapture of the saints and missing the coming great tribulation.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are at Colosse

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God's will, and Timothy our brother: To God's church at Corinth, with all the saints who are throughout Achaia

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus

To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints

 

[Bladerunner]

u gotta rightly divide the word of truth or else u will be mixed up in doctrine.
thats why folks have the church going thru the time of Jacob's trouble. we are not appointed to wrath and the wrath starts when Jesus opens the first seal.

when the church is raptured God will start dealing with Israel again in their prophetic program. we will return with Jesus.

Yep, Jesus is telling his 'Bride (us the Church)to Be' that HE is going to beat the 'HE.....'. out of her(us) and (some will die a horrible death) and then take her out to dinner...

Yes, I can take comfort in those words......Yes.,,, I can???????????????????

 

[Enow]

Tell that to the saints that have war made against them, the saints that are worn out, the saints that are overcome by the beast/little horn......for 3.5 years that is....and it is obvious who the SAINTS ARE.....saved, immersed church MEMBERS...wake up...there is NO imminent rapture of the saints and missing the coming great tribulation.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are at Colosse

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God's will, and Timothy our brother: To God's church at Corinth, with all the saints who are throughout Achaia

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus

To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints

Have you not read the warning given by Jesus to the believers? I shall repost it below.

Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Yes, there will be saints going through the great tribulation, but it will be the saints that did not heed Jesus's warning that shall be left behind as well as new believers after the angel with the everlasting gospel has spread the truth everywhere in the world so that there is no excuse of any one not knowing the gospel of Jesus Christ nor not knowing the warning of the consequence for taking the mark of the beast which is the lake of fire.

Until you explain Luke 21:33-36, then you cannot say ALL saints will go through the great tribulation. The saints you are referring to are the ones that did not heed Jesus's warning in the latter days we are living in now to escape the coming fire on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.

You can't have a warning given to saints at Thyatira in Revelations to repent or be cast into the bed of the great tribulation unless there is an escape from the great tribulation by repenting.

 

[dcontroversal]

Have you not read the warning given by Jesus to the believers? I shall repost it below.

Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Yes, there will be saints going through the great tribulation, but it will be the saints that did not heed Jesus's warning that shall be left behind as well as new believers after the angel with the everlasting gospel has spread the truth everywhere in the world so that there is no excuse of any one not knowing the gospel of Jesus Christ nor not knowing the warning of the consequence for taking the mark of the beast which is the lake of fire.

Until you explain Luke 21:33-36, then you cannot say ALL saints will go through the great tribulation. The saints you are referring to are the ones that did not heed Jesus's warning in the latter days we are living in now to escape the coming fire on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.

You can't have a warning given to saints at Thyatira in Revelations to repent or be cast into the bed of the great tribulation unless there is an escape from the great tribulation by repenting.

Nice try..no ceeeegar....there is no such thing as a split rapture.....and the word KEEP applied unto the faithful church at Philadelphia means to protect or guard from loss or harm...not REMOVE

 

[Enow]

Nice try..no ceeeegar....there is no such thing as a split rapture.....and the word KEEP applied unto the faithful church at Philadelphia means to protect or guard from loss or harm...not REMOVE

And how is casting the saints at the church at Thyatira into the great tribulation any different if all saints will be in it?

I have shared how both will happen and why; you have yet to explain how any saint will be NOT be snared by the cares of this life that they would not escape the great tribulation.

 

[Hizikyah]

u gotta rightly divide the word of truth or else u will be mixed up in doctrine.
thats why folks have the church going thru the time of Jacob's trouble. we are not appointed to wrath and the wrath starts when Jesus opens the first seal.

when the church is raptured God will start dealing with Israel again in their prophetic program. we will return with Jesus.

The wrath starts with the 7th seal and 7th trumpet;

Revelation 8:1-6,"And when He opened the seventh seal,...the seven messengers who stand before יהוה, and to them were given seven trumpets...the seven messengers who held the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

Revelation 15:1-8, “And I saw another sign in the heaven, great and marvelous: seven messengers having the seven last plagues, for the wrath of יהוה the seven messengers seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of יהוה

 

[dcontroversal]

And how is casting the saints at the church at Thyatira into the great tribulation any different if all saints will be in it?

I have shared how both will happen and why; you have yet to explain how any saint will be NOT be snared by the cares of this life that they would not escape the great tribulation.

what part do you not understand...all of the Lord's churches and saints will endure it....the faithful will be KEPT from harm or loss <--we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the LORD those who are haphazard in their service will pay the price (war made against them, worn out and over come by the beast) and many will have their heads whacked off for a refusal to bow tot he image and take his mark....

THE SAINTS are the saved and they are identified ALL thru the N.T. as saved, immersed church members......

 

[Jackson123]

Have you not read the warning given by Jesus to the believers? I shall repost it below.

Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Yes, there will be saints going through the great tribulation, but it will be the saints that did not heed Jesus's warning that shall be left behind as well as new believers after the angel with the everlasting gospel has spread the truth everywhere in the world so that there is no excuse of any one not knowing the gospel of Jesus Christ nor not knowing the warning of the consequence for taking the mark of the beast which is the lake of fire.

Until you explain Luke 21:33-36, then you cannot say ALL saints will go through the great tribulation. The saints you are referring to are the ones that did not heed Jesus's warning in the latter days we are living in now to escape the coming fire on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.

You can't have a warning given to saints at Thyatira in Revelations to repent or be cast into the bed of the great tribulation unless there is an escape from the great tribulation by repenting.

why warn believer? Don't you say believer go to rapture?

 

[Bladerunner]

The wrath starts with the 7th seal and 7th trumpet;

Revelation 8:1-6,"And when He opened the seventh seal,...the seven messengers who stand before יהוה, and to them were given seven trumpets...the seven messengers who held the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

Revelation 15:1-8, “And I saw another sign in the heaven, great and marvelous: seven messengers having the seven last plagues, for the wrath of יהוה the seven messengers seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of יהוה

The wrath starts with the 7th seal and 7th trumpet;

How do you come to that conclusion...Just dismiss the first 6 seals that are open by Jesus Himself.