Paul exposes false application of the law

[Studyman]

Let us not fall into the same trap that Israel fell into.

Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES.

Yes, let us always glorify God by acknowledging His Righteousness, not mans doctrines and traditions.

We need look only to Christ for the Law of Righteousness. He followed it perfectly. We don't need to go to the Pope, or Benny Hinn, or Joel Olsteen, for what path to follow.

1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.


6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.




Good post MM, we don't want to fall into the same "doctrines and traditions of men" that plagued the Israelites.

 

[Grandpa]

I'm not the one preaching the lie that God's "Good" "Just" "Holy" and Spiritual Commandments are the burden and yoke on the backs of mankind. I'm not the one preaching the out and out falsehood that the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time were trying to obey God's Commandments.

I'm trying to help my brothers by exposing these false doctrines in the hopes that those preaching or following them might repent and turn to God and His Righteousness, and stop creating their own.

I fully expect to garner the anger and ridicule of those who care more about their religion than about the Jesus of the Bible and His instruction.

Are you even reading the scriptures that are posted?

Do you just not understand them?

Gods Good, Just, Holy, Spiritual commandments are a burden to carnal men because they have NO POWER to fulfill them. Every time a person looks to the law to fulfill it in their own understanding and strength they fail because of this.

Judaizers and legalists have no way to understand this. Their circular reasoning makes it impossible. They think they just need to try harder to understand and be stronger to fulfill Gods Perfect Law. What pride... and stupidity.

Galatians 3:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[/FONT]

 

[NayborBear]

Are you even reading the scriptures that are posted?

Do you just not understand them?

Gods Good, Just, Holy, Spiritual commandments are a burden to carnal men because they have NO POWER to fulfill them. Every time a person looks to the law to fulfill it in their own understanding and strength they fail because of this.

Judaizers and legalists have no way to understand this. Their circular reasoning makes it impossible. They think they just need to try harder to understand and be stronger to fulfill Gods Perfect Law. What pride... and stupidity.

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

I get it Grandpa! I get it, that there is a lack of growth. Like the word that fell on the stony ground. Perhaps it's "jez a phase" of spiritual growth. Much like "pubescence", in a spiritual sense, I guess. What, I, and it seems others, as well get, is that, "It's a GOOD START!....NOT, the END!"
And, it's not so much for the teachers of this dogma (although, it could be), as much as it is for those, they are so adamantly striving to convince into believing, and living the rest of their lives like that. Or worse! They themselves, continuing the perpetuation of this dogma!
THESE, are the one's, and the reason/s I post as I do! In the contending for them! For there is a spiritual journey IN Christ...BEYOND, the cross!

 

[Issachar92]

Why do we keep hearing that God gave us an impossible law?

Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do we keep hearing that God gave us an impossible law?

Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Probably because Moses was told by God to make the children of Issue to make an oath. And anyone who di dnot live up to that oath was cursed.

What was that oath?

Duet 27: [FONT=&quot]Cursed [/FONT]is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’[FONT=&quot]“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’[/FONT]

Just like lawyers who misinterpret the law. The jew misinterpret the law by thinking they have and/or could do what was required. WHat they could not understand is they that not only could do it, but that did not do it, no matter how righteous they thought they were, they were found by the law to be unrighteousness.

You see God required every jot and title be not only confirmed, but obeyed. Which means one small sin, even if it is the smallest sin one can commit, causes one to be guilt of the howl law. Thus undert that curse. (James confrims this when he says if we break even the least of commands, we ar found guilty by the whole law)

So while we may think we obey the law and Love God and his commands, We can not live up to the standard God required. Thats why the law will never make us righteous. It was not given for that purpose (see Gal 3) it was given to keep israel from being proud until the savior who was to come.
They failed. Not only to realise that, but to be led by that, thats why they rejected Christ.

 

[Issachar92]

eg I know I know. The point is, the law was not impossible, people just failed at obeying it. The fault again is with the people, not God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Gods Good, Just, Holy, Spiritual commandments are a burden to carnal men because they have NO POWER to fulfill them. Every time a person looks to the law to fulfill it in their own understanding and strength they fail because of this. Judaizers and legalists have no way to understand this.

Well the fact of the matter is that born-again believers are not Judaizers or legalists and they have the indwelling Holy Spirit to empower them to fulfil God's commandments. Indeed the New Covenant and the New Birth write those commandments on hearts and minds so that they may be obeyed IN THE SPIRIT.

There is a new theology which has surfaced recently called New Covenant Theology (NCT). They claim that the Ten Commandments were abrogated at the Cross. But since the New Testament continues to uphold the Ten Commandments within the Law of Christ (the Law of Love) that is false doctrine.

What the Judaizers and Legalists were doing were trying to be justified by observing the Torah. That is impossible according to God because justification has always been by grace through faith in God and the Lamb of God. However, when it comes to sanctification, that is another matter. That is where Paul says that the Law is good, just, holy, and spiritual. Walking in the Spirit means conforming to those commandments by the power of the Spirit through agape love.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

eg I know I know. The point is, the law was not impossible, people just failed at obeying it. The fault again is with the people, not God.

Well since God is the only one who can obey it, I agree with you. In fact, that shows how perfect the law is. It will never (if taken properly) fail to do its job so in that it is very perfect.

it is men as you say who score it up by misapplication.

I think the fault is the people who think the law is the way to spiritual life is the issue. That was Israel’s problem, and we see it is still a problem today.

 

[BillG]

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Are you denying there was a Levitical Priesthood used for the cleansing of sin until Jesus came?


Romans 3:20-28
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Billy,

What was the Levitical Priesthood ceremonies and sacrifices there for?



21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

Where is this written in the Law and Prophets?

22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


Did Abraham believe? Did Abraham have the Levitical Priesthood cleansing laws?


24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

How was this done before Jesus came, by His blood that had not been shed yet? Or by the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works and Deeds of the Law" that was Added" until the Seed should come which was symbolic of His Blood?


26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

But how was remission of sins(Transgression of God's Commandments) dealt with before "The present time"?

Boasting Excluded
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works?

Do we continue to follow the "ADDED" Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works and deeds of the law" for remission of sins?

No, but by the law of faith.

And what is the Law of Works for justification of sins created in the Bible by God?? The Levitical Priesthood that Paul said was "ADDED" because of transgression until the Seed should come. (Gal. 3:19)




Paul is explaining why even though Moses said to bring a goat to the Levites for remission of sins, the law and prophets also said there would come a time when God would intervene Himself, and He would forgive our sin personally and not through this Levitical Priesthood. He would write His Commandments on our minds and we would no longer depend on the Scribes and Pharisees to read them to us.

Rom. 1:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Abraham was justified "apart from this law" as Levi wasn't even born yet.

So why was Abraham blessed?

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Not by the "works and deeds of the Levitical Priesthood law" was Abraham justified, but by the LAW of Faith. Paul distinguishes between these two laws.

Regarding the Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins;

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Regarding the Law of Faith Abraham kept.

Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

This is a different law Billy.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

As the Scriptures regarding Abraham teach us.


I have repeated God's Warnings regarding those who come in His name to deceive. I would say from your posts that every bit of knowledge you have about God has been filtered through some mainstream religion. This is why although 100% true, you may have never seen this teaching regarding the "works of the Law".

My hope is that you and I may have a substantive honest, Biblical discussion about Paul's writings.

Please, this is not a gotcha moment, or a trap. I really want you to answer the questions I asked and just forget mainstream traditions and doctrines for a little while. If you can't do that, then there is no need to continue this conversation.

Hi studyman

I'm not denying that the sacrificial system, to me it only covered the sins and did not justify the people.

You seemed to indicate that it was for justification of sins.

The "Law of Moses" said if I sinned, to take a goat, give it to the Levite Priest, the Levite Priest would perform ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" for justification of sins.

My understanding of the sacrificial system is that there were those that individuals did and then that done by the priests for the whole nation.

These had to be repeated. If so, why so?.

So to me I can't see how the people were justified as a result of the sacrifice of animals.

To me we as are justified by faith as a result of the one and only sacrifice made by Jesus.

I really do not have an issue in agreeing that the 10 commandments are relevant to us today.

I do have to say that I don't think you are a gotcha or trap laying man.

Bill

 

[MattforJesus]

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

We establish the law,and the law is spiritual,so it must always be obeyed,the moral laws,laws of love,which the ten commandments are laws of love,and abstain from fleshy lusts that war against the soul,and lay aside every weight of sin that so easily besets us.

Do people forget that we can have the Spirit in the New Testament,therefore we can be spiritual,and if so we can live up to the law because a person that hates sin,and does not want sin,can abstain from sin by the Spirit,and obey the law,which is what we are supposed to do.

In the Old Testament they could not have the Spirit,so they were fleshy,but in the New Testament we can have the Spirit so we can live up to the law,for Paul said we do not void out the law,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,and the saints are spiritual so they must obey the law,and can obey the law by the Spirit.

People have to understand when Paul is talking according to a person in the flesh concerning the law that they cannot live up to it,or according to a person in the Spirit who can live up to the law.

The same as Paul saying faith alone,and not saved by works,he is speaking from a fleshy point of view when we first come to Christ,for we have not received the Spirit yet,so all we can do is have faith,and believe,and our works will not help us.

But then Paul says that he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains,but if he did not have charity,love in action,then he is nothing,and those that believe God blesses with material things,and money,for their wants,and lusts,then they have erred from the faith,which Paul was saying the same thing as James that if a person does not care about the poor and needy then their faith is dead.

People have to understand when Paul is speaking according to the flesh,and when a person first comes to Christ,and when he is speaking according to the Spirit when they are spiritual.

If we can have the Spirit there is no excuse why we cannot live up to the law.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

We can have the Spirit in the New Testament so what is difficult to establish the law,for we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,and holy,and just,and good,so it must be obeyed.

Understand when Paul is speaking about someone in the flesh before the Spirit,and after they have received the Spirit,and stop carrying when he is speaking according to the flesh throughout your walk with God,and taking away the responsibility that is placed upon you to keep yourself right before God,for the Spirit will not force us to live for God,so work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[BillG]

I can't take a sentence out of the middle of a book and come to any understanding what the book is about.

Likewise, you can't take one sentence out of many different posts and replies and understand the point that is trying to be made.

It's kind of dishonest to even try.

I wasn't being dishonest, you said in a response to some one "Your religion"

I seemed to that you were intimating that you have a differing religion.

If so what are the differences.

 

[Studyman]

Are you even reading the scriptures that are posted?

Do you just not understand them?

Gods Good, Just, Holy, Spiritual commandments are a burden to carnal men because they have NO POWER to fulfill them. Every time a person looks to the law to fulfill it in their own understanding and strength they fail because of this.

Judaizers and legalists have no way to understand this. Their circular reasoning makes it impossible. They think they just need to try harder to understand and be stronger to fulfill Gods Perfect Law. What pride... and stupidity.

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

GP,

You twisted Matt. 23 to support your preaching that God's Commandments are the burden of the world, and that was debunked. You don't even try to use it again or even try and show me where my understanding of Matt. 23 is wrong. You just move on to the next scripture you don't understand and try to use it.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

There is a law of works (Levitical Priesthood) and the Law of Faith (God's Commandments)

Abraham kept the Law of Faith and received the promise guaranteed in all the scriptures.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The "law of Works" was not ADDED until 430 years later. (Gal. 3:17-19)Its in your Bible.

Paul says this about the Law of Works.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

But of the Just, Holy, Good, and Spiritual Law of Faith, Paul says this.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

What Law? Will we be judged by the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law"? Or by the Law of FAith Abraham walked in.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Again, what law is Paul speaking to here? The "Law of Works" for justification of sins? Or the "Law of Faith" for the justifications of sins.

Jesus said "Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

And Paul taught:

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (All) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

What works are those? The law of faith, or the law of Works?

I know you aren't being allowed to see this but I am hoping others might see and understand the great deception Jesus warned of so many times..

It's not to late you know, you can look into this stuff for yourself.

 

[Grandpa]

I wonder what cults these people belong to that argue so much for working at the law in their own understanding.

Could you guys tell us so we know to stay clear???

 

[NayborBear]

I wonder, when "The Law", as referred to by the Disciples, and Apostles, as well as Christ Himself, were speaking of the "original" Torah? Or, if they were speaking of that, which "The Law", had become! I call that law, or, how, it was "watered down", yeah, even a "targeted watering down"( towards the benefit of lazy priests, and greedy merchants, and tax collectors) of the Torah, the "Talmud."

I could use some clarification of, or a "side by side" comparison, of the differences between the 2.

 

[BillG]

I wonder, when "The Law", as referred to by the Disciples, and Apostles, as well as Christ Himself, were speaking of the "original" Torah? Or, if they were speaking of that, which "The Law", had become! I call that law, or, how, it was "watered down", yeah, even a "targeted watering down"( towards the benefit of lazy priests, and greedy merchants, and tax collectors) of the Torah, the "Talmud."

I could use some clarification of, or a "side by side" comparison, of the differences between the 2.

Does the Midrash come into play here?

 

[Grandpa]

GP,

You twisted Matt. 23 to support your preaching that God's Commandments are the burden of the world, and that was debunked. You don't even try to use it again or even try and show me where my understanding of Matt. 23 is wrong. You just move on to the next scripture you don't understand and try to use it.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

There is a law of works (Levitical Priesthood) and the Law of Faith (God's Commandments)

Abraham kept the Law of Faith and received the promise guaranteed in all the scriptures.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The "law of Works" was not ADDED until 430 years later. (Gal. 3:17-19)Its in your Bible.

Paul says this about the Law of Works.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

But of the Just, Holy, Good, and Spiritual Law of Faith, Paul says this.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

What Law? Will we be judged by the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law"? Or by the Law of FAith Abraham walked in.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Again, what law is Paul speaking to here? The "Law of Works" for justification of sins? Or the "Law of Faith" for the justifications of sins.

Jesus said "Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

And Paul taught:

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (All) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

What works are those? The law of faith, or the law of Works?

I know you aren't being allowed to see this but I am hoping others might see and understand the great deception Jesus warned of so many times..

It's not to late you know, you can look into this stuff for yourself.

I see perfectly clear.

You do what all the legalists and Judaizers before you have done.

You have compartmentalized the law and have decided, in your own wisdom and philosophy, that some of it is fulfilled but some of it is not.

Which is NOT what the Lord said He would do. He didn't say He would fulfill some of it. So if its not ALL fulfilled then none of it is fulfilled.

I could keep showing your error over and over but you don't seem to have the capacity for understanding.


The law of faith is Gods Commandments??? I'm not sure if you just can't read or if your reading comprehension is just really, really poor. But we'll try one more time.

2 Corinthians 3:6 [FONT=&quot]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

[/FONT]So we can probably agree that the law of faith gives life, correct?

2 Corinthians 3:7 [FONT=&quot]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

[/FONT]There's the ministration of Death written on stones. That's the 10 commandments. Can't possibly be the law of faith if it brings death.

But if it was where the law of works comes from then it would make perfect sense. The law of works brings death but the law of faith brings life.

Romans 8:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wonder, when "The Law", as referred to by the Disciples, and Apostles, as well as Christ Himself, were speaking of the "original" Torah? Or, if they were speaking of that, which "The Law", had become! I call that law, or, how, it was "watered down", yeah, even a "targeted watering down"( towards the benefit of lazy priests, and greedy merchants, and tax collectors) of the Torah, the "Talmud."

I could use some clarification of, or a "side by side" comparison, of the differences between the 2.

The Torah (law) was the name given to the first 5 books of the OT. It could even be just that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

GP,

You twisted Matt. 23 to support your preaching that God's Commandments are the burden of the world, and that was debunked. You don't even try to use it again or even try and show me where my understanding of Matt. 23 is wrong. You just move on to the next scripture you don't understand and try to use it.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

There is a law of works (Levitical Priesthood) and the Law of Faith (God's Commandments)

Abraham kept the Law of Faith and received the promise guaranteed in all the scriptures.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The "law of Works" was not ADDED until 430 years later. (Gal. 3:17-19)Its in your Bible.

Paul says this about the Law of Works.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

But of the Just, Holy, Good, and Spiritual Law of Faith, Paul says this.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

What Law? Will we be judged by the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law"? Or by the Law of FAith Abraham walked in.
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Again, what law is Paul speaking to here? The "Law of Works" for justification of sins? Or the "Law of Faith" for the justifications of sins.

Jesus said "Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

And Paul taught:

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (All) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

What works are those? The law of faith, or the law of Works?

I know you aren't being allowed to see this but I am hoping others might see and understand the great deception Jesus warned of so many times..

It's not to late you know, you can look into this stuff for yourself.

works worthy of repentance, or meet or whatever you want to call it is just a way of saying to show works of which people who have truly repented would do.

John the Baptist did the same thing when he demanded that the religious jews show works worthy of repentance before he would baptise them. IE./ show you have truly repented. Because true repentance leads to true faith leads to true works. Of which ALL of Gods children do.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."[/FONT]

 

[BillG]

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Evening Hizikyah,

I hope all is well with you.

You may have said it before, so if I missed it please accept my apologies.

What to you are the commands we guard?