Paul exposes false application of the law

[Studyman]

It is you who preach God's Commandments are a burden to the people of the world. I simply showed you where this preaching is false.

If you can make the scriptural case that God's Commandments are the burden of the world, then by all means make it.

I'm not going to throw away God's Words just because you say so.[/QUOT

I did not call the law the yoke of bondage. Paul did in Galatians . I won't tell you what part, so maybe you will read the whole letter. like you are supposed to.

and, once again, why should we isolate verses? why can we not conjoin and use context?
explain why that is wrong.

First you say Acts 15 erases all the Scripture that pertains to the Good and Holy Laws of God, well we debunked that preaching, not you preach Paul says something that erases all the scriptures regarding God's Righteousness.

I agree with you one this point though, we should use every Word of God to live by and create our doctrine.

Psalms 119:170 Let my supplication come before thee: deliver me according to thy word.171 My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.
172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.
174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

There is no scripture that destroys or annuls these and many, many more scriptures regarding God's Righteousness.

Paul doesn't teach God's Laws are a burden, Acts 15 doesn't, all of Acts don't. I asked you to make your case and you can't because the Bible does not teach that God's Holy Commandments are a burden of mankind.

You preach this, "many" who come in "Christ's name" preach this, but the Bible does not. And unless you can make the scriptural case to the contrary, then it is nothing more than another doctrine and tradition of man.

 

[gb9]

First you say Acts 15 erases all the Scripture that pertains to the Good and Holy Laws of God, well we debunked that preaching, not you preach Paul says something that erases all the scriptures regarding God's Righteousness.

I agree with you one this point though, we should use every Word of God to live by and create our doctrine.

Psalms 119:170 Let my supplication come before thee: deliver me according to thy word.171 My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.
172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.
174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

There is no scripture that destroys or annuls these and many, many more scriptures regarding God's Righteousness.

Paul doesn't teach God's Laws are a burden, Acts 15 doesn't, all of Acts don't. I asked you to make your case and you can't because the Bible does not teach that God's Holy Commandments are a burden of mankind.

You preach this, "many" who come in "Christ's name" preach this, but the Bible does not. And unless you can make the scriptural case to the contrary, then it is nothing more than another doctrine and tradition of man.

so , in Acts 15, what yoke was Peter talking about ?. the whole meeting was about the gentiles and the law. so, it is recorded in verse 5 that believing Pharisees stood up and said that gentiles should be circumcised and keep the law. then there was debate, then Peter made a statement , in which he said " why should we test God by putting a yoke on the gentile disciples that neither us or our fathers could bear"

so, since the whole debate was about if the gentiles had to be under the law or not, it is clear that he was saying the Jews ( us and our fathers ) could not keep the law.

and also, when Jesus said that his yoke was light, what was he contrasting it too?

and, last time I checked , the Letter of Paul to the Galatians was a part of Scripture. so, the yoke of bondage is mentioned in it.

I am doing no more commentary on Act 15. I have done so several times, it is not my fault you reject truth. so, you do a commentary on Acts 15 if you want. but do the whole chapter, not just a verse or two.

 

[Studyman]

Thanks for responding.

I think for me that Abraham was considered righteous because he believed.

Genesis 12:1-4
Chapter 12
Promises to Abram
1 Now the Lord had said to Abram:“Get out of your country,From your family And from your father's house,To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless youAnd make your name great; And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran.

Genesis 15:6-11


6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8 And he said, “Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”
9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. 11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.

Firstly for me, we find Abram going about his daily life then he either hears something or feels it.

God saying "Pack up your bags and go to a place I tell you to"

So he does, something makes him believe.

He had faith to follow, me thinks it probably did not make sense but he goes.
Obeys God.

So obedience follows faith.

Yet we do know Abram at times did not fully trust God, in a sense lacked faith in the promise of God.



Your above quote confuses me.

What are the law of works? What is the separation?

Please explain to me as if I am a five year old.

Gosh Billy,

I sometimes wonder if you really even read and study my posts at all. No offence, but I laid out a pretty good case in the answer to your question and it seems you haven't even considered it.

It's probably my lack of communication skills.

I would implore you to take some time and study my post as I addressed your question pretty thoroughly.

Also, when you study about Abraham I think it is a terrible mistake to omit a very important fact about him.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Abraham trusted God enough to follow His instructions. This is called "Faith". We are to have the "Faith" of Abraham.

You can't have the faith of Abraham without obedience to the "Law of Faith" I spoke about. Yes, we are human and our faith will be tested as is was for Abraham, but you can't follow a religion that transgresses the commandments of God by their own man made doctrines and traditions and claim the faith of Abraham at the same time.

Like Jesus said "If Abraham were your father, you would DO THE WORKS of Abraham.

 

[BillG]

No worries

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

All.

now there are only Laws for kinghs, ppriests, men, women, children, parents, etc. All those that apply. It is not picking and choosing because a man can not keep a Law about the High Priest when he is not the High Priest.

Now that is not to say we need "sinless perfectionisim" as many use to criticize...

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."


Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."



1 John 1:8-10, “If we say that we have no sin, we are misleading ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.”

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”



Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"



Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"


Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Ok so the commands we guard are the 2 Jesus summed up in Matthew?
If so what commands are they?

Are they the

Halakhah, the Talmud, the Mitzvah the Midrash or the commandments written on stone

 

[Studyman]

so , in Acts 15, what yoke was Peter talking about ?. the whole meeting was about the gentiles and the law. so, it is recorded in verse 5 that believing Pharisees stood up and said that gentiles should be circumcised and keep the law. then there was debate, then Peter made a statement , in which he said " why should we test God by putting a yoke on the gentile disciples that neither us or our fathers could bear"

so, since the whole debate was about if the gentiles had to be under the law or not, it is clear that he was saying the Jews ( us and our fathers ) could not keep the law.

and also, when Jesus said that his yoke was light, what was he contrasting it too?

and, last time I checked , the Letter of Paul to the Galatians was a part of Scripture. so, the yoke of bondage is mentioned in it.

Jesus answers your question but you refuse to accept it.

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

You forget that the Pharisees were not obeying God, they said they were, they called their religion "The Law of Moses", but Jesus said over and ever that they were not.

Paul, Peter, Jesus, no one teaches anything differently, not in Acts, not in Galatians. And using the Bible you will never make the case that God's Commands are a burden to the man.

 

[gb9]

Jesus answers your question but you refuse to accept it.

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

You forget that the Pharisees were not obeying God, they said they were, they called their religion "The Law of Moses", but Jesus said over and ever that they were not.

Paul, Peter, Jesus, no one teaches anything differently, not in Acts, not in Galatians. And using the Bible you will never make the case that God's Commands are a burden to the man.

again, last time I checked , Galatians is in the Bible. Paul used the term " yoke of bondage " . so, are saying Paul is not truthful,or credible ?

Acts 15 is a description of events, in chronological order. the order is what I described above. you refuse to see it this. you are wrong for rejecting Biblical truth for man-made opinions.

 

[Studyman]

Studyman that was the point of my post.

Jesus was coming against all the crap and extras that the religions leaders of the day were imposing imposing.
And that is what Jesus was coming against.

Don't listen to them. Listen to me
The commands of God are not burdensome now we are in the Spirit.

God's Holy Commandments have always been spiritual. There is only one law that wasn't, and that was the fleshy carnal "Levitical Priesthood" that was Added to God's Spiritual law "until the Seed should come".

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment,(a Levite appointed by a Levite) but after the power of an endless life.

The burdensome practices placed on the Jews were placed on them by the Pharisees.
This is what Jesys was mad about.

I am really sorry but you seem to have a blindspot towards my me.
At the moment i can't see where we disagree concerning this.

Great, then you agree with scriptures about what the "Works of the Law" Paul spoke about in Romans 3, and Gal. 3.

I think that is great Billy

 

[Hizikyah]

Ok so the commands we guard are the 2 Jesus summed up in Matthew?
If so what commands are they?

Are they the

Halakhah, the Talmud, the Mitzvah the Midrash or the commandments written on stone

The Torah of YHWH. The Talmud is man made and evil, the Halakhah is a mix of Torah and talumdd (oral torah man made) Midrash is nonsense.

YHWH's instructions are to be followed not mans.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."[/FONT]



Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

 

[Studyman]

again, last time I checked , Galatians is in the Bible. Paul used the term " yoke of bondage " . so, are saying Paul is not truthful,or credible ?

Acts 15 is a description of events, in chronological order. the order is what I described above. you refuse to see it this. you are wrong for rejecting Biblical truth for man-made opinions.

LOL, OK

Have a good night.

 

[Studyman]

Yep. and scripture said that it is mistake to seek righteousness by the law. But to seek it by faith. In doing this, all the things of God will be added to you.

It is a mistake to seek righteousness by the Law of Works, I completely agree.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works?(Levitical Priesthood) Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.(of works)

Trusting God enough to follow His instruction as Abraham did as opposed to following man made doctrines and traditions. We are to have the Faith of Abraham.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Good post EG

 

[BillG]

Gosh Billy,

I sometimes wonder if you really even read and study my posts at all. No offence, but I laid out a pretty good case in the answer to your question and it seems you haven't even considered it.

It's probably my lack of communication skills.

I would implore you to take some time and study my post as I addressed your question pretty thoroughly.

Also, when you study about Abraham I think it is a terrible mistake to omit a very important fact about him.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Abraham trusted God enough to follow His instructions. This is called "Faith". We are to have the "Faith" of Abraham.

You can't have the faith of Abraham without obedience to the "Law of Faith" I spoke about. Yes, we are human and our faith will be tested as is was for Abraham, but you can't follow a religion that transgresses the commandments of God by their own man made doctrines and traditions and claim the faith of Abraham at the same time.

Like Jesus said "If Abraham were your father, you would DO THE WORKS of Abraham.

I have to be honest mate I think the same of you.
Maybe I'm not expressing myself either correctly.

No offence to you either but I reciprocate your post the same.

Yes we are to have the faith of Abraham.
That faith is to respond to Jesus, and follow him and want to be like him, and have relationship with him.

I study a lot, you may not believe it but trust me I do.

A few years as ago I took it upon myself to challenge what it is I actually believe.
Is it truth or lies.

Been a long hard process.
But I'm settled with what I now post. If not I don't post.

So if you don't mind I would like to ask you a question.
Please don't respond with a question but with an honest answer concerning your thoughts.

As you have asked me to do many a time,

My question is in the assumption I am not a believer

Studyman, what must I do to be saved?
What entails salvation?

 

[BillG]

Studyman that was the point of my post.

Jesus was coming against all the crap and extras that the religions leaders of the day were imposing imposing.
And that is what Jesus was coming against.



God's Holy Commandments have always been spiritual. There is only one law that wasn't, and that was the fleshy carnal "Levitical Priesthood" that was Added to God's Spiritual law "until the Seed should come".

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment,(a Levite appointed by a Levite) but after the power of an endless life.



Great, then you agree with scriptures about what the "Works of the Law" Paul spoke about in Romans 3, and Gal. 3.

I think that is great Billy

Yes I do, and I hate with a passion all the burdens that today's church places on people who come to church.
The burdens that teach you must jump through hoops yet to find who teach don't give two hoots.

It breaks my heart. And I cry when people I come alongside and can see the pain they suffer.

I will be honest. When I feel out of kilter and am stuggling in my walk and bring it before God and ask God what's going on?

He always says to me "Come back to you first focus Jesus"

And boy when I do that what a release.

To me is all about Jesus, nothing more or nothing less.

 

[BillG]

The Torah of YHWH. The Talmud is man made and evil, the Halakhah is a mix of Torah and talumdd (oral torah man made) Midrash is nonsense.

YHWH's instructions are to be followed not mans.

John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."



Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

The Midrash is nonsense.

That made me laugh.
Yet it's true.

As for me I will always go with Matt 22:37-40.

The words of Jesus which we cannot deny.

And when we come to him in faith then we have the holy spirit in us, who works in us to conform us to his image.

Jesus took it further.

Love your enemy and pray for them.

 

[Studyman]

I have to be honest mate I think the same of you.
Maybe I'm not expressing myself either correctly.

No offence to you either but I reciprocate your post the same.

Yes we are to have the faith of Abraham.
That faith is to respond to Jesus, and follow him and want to be like him, and have relationship with him.

I study a lot, you may not believe it but trust me I do.

A few years as ago I took it upon myself to challenge what it is I actually believe.
Is it truth or lies.

Been a long hard process.
But I'm settled with what I now post. If not I don't post.

So if you don't mind I would like to ask you a question.
Please don't respond with a question but with an honest answer concerning your thoughts.

As you have asked me to do many a time,

My question is in the assumption I am not a believer

Studyman, what must I do to be saved?
What entails salvation?

That’s an easy one, repent and bring works worthy of repentance

 

[BillG]

Hey peeps

Is off to bed.

As I go I just want to remind us all that Jesus is greater than it all.
He is the Alpha and Omega.

It is onky through him that the we can come before the Father.

It is he that works in us and trough us.

May we all know that the Father loves us as much as he loves Jesus.
Jesus said it himself.

 

[BillG]

That’s an easy one, repent and bring works worthy of repentance

And those works worthy of repentance being?

 

[Studyman]

And those works worthy of repentance being?

Well I know what they are not. They are not doctrines and traditions of men. The Bible says Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness. We need look no further for how to walk and what works are worthy of repentance than Him. In fact, we are told to Walk even as He walked. If we do this we are safe don’t you think? So you have studied, right? You know all the warnings about those who come in Christ’s name to deceive.

Don’t listen to anyone, read God’s Word for yourself. He doesn’t need the Levites or preachers to teach us anymore, He teaches us directly from His Word. We all have His Word. Just read it and follow its instruction. If you are genuine He will lead you in all truth. If you want you can PM me for my take, but ultimately Paul said. “Let each man be convinced in his own mind”

Hope that helps

 

[gb9]

Well I know what they are not. They are not doctrines and traditions of men. The Bible says Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness. We need look no further for how to walk and what works are worthy of repentance than Him. In fact, we are told to Walk even as He walked. If we do this we are safe don’t you think? So you have studied, right? You know all the warnings about those who come in Christ’s name to deceive.

Don’t listen to anyone, read God’s Word for yourself. He doesn’t need the Levites or preachers to teach us anymore, He teaches us directly from His Word. We all have His Word. Just read it and follow its instruction. If you are genuine He will lead you in all truth. If you want you can PM me for my take, but ultimately Paul said. “Let each man be convinced in his own mind”

Hope that helps

Galatians is in the Bible, but you do not seem to want to read it. so, you might want to take your own advice, and find out what Paul had to say, calling the Law the yoke of bondage.

 

[Studyman]

Galatians is in the Bible, but you do not seem to want to read it. so, you might want to take your own advice, and find out what Paul had to say, calling the Law the yoke of bondage.

Eph. 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; There is your Yoke and Burden
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: There is your Yoke and BurdenEph. 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. There is your Yoke and BurdenCol. 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. That is the Yoke and Burden Jesus freed you from.

Gal. 1:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

So you preach that before the Gentiles met Jesus they were obedient to God's Laws, then Jesus freed them from God's Laws, so you preach we are not to go back to keeping God's Laws again.

And who is the Circumcision and what were they doing? Were they obeying God as you preach, or were they rejecting God and placing grievous burdens on the backs of men like Jesus preaches.

And were they still preaching animal sacrifice and Circumcision for the remission of sins? The "Law of Works" as Paul teaches?

So time to move on to another scripture you can try and erase the rest of the Bible with.

 

[gb9]

Eph. 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; There is your Yoke and Burden
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: There is your Yoke and BurdenEph. 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. There is your Yoke and BurdenCol. 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. That is the Yoke and Burden Jesus freed you from.

Gal. 1:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

So you preach that before the Gentiles met Jesus they were obedient to God's Laws, then Jesus freed them from God's Laws, so you preach we are not to go back to keeping God's Laws again.

And who is the Circumcision and what were they doing? Were they obeying God as you preach, or were they rejecting God and placing grievous burdens on the backs of men like Jesus preaches.

And were they still preaching animal sacrifice and Circumcision for the remission of sins? The "Law of Works" as Paul teaches?

So time to move on to another scripture you can try and erase the rest of the Bible with.

no, I say that the gentiles never had the law. since you attempted ( and failed ) to try to use one of Paul's letters to attack another letter, if you keep reading chapter 2 of Ephesians , Paul in verses 11- 22 how gentiles had no covenant ( v.12 ) and how Christ broke down the barrier ( the law ) in between jews and gentiles.

and, read Chapter 4 of Galatians, then conjoin them with 5. because the original letter had no verses or chapters, they were added 100' s of years later.

I have 0 desire to wipe anything out of the Bible. I think all of it should be used, rightly divided, and taken in chronological order. those seem to be lost concepts on you.