Is healing promised to the believers?
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I'm sorry for your loss. This is a sensitive topic, and I mean no offense. I would ask you, what is the basis upon which we can have faith to be healed, if at all? If it isn't Jesus and His crucifixion, then what hope do we have? Where do we muster up the faith to be healed, if there is nothing to have faith in?
I am not blaming the victim as you might be thinking, I am simply addressing the difference between a person stating that God can heal them and another stating that He will. The person who believes that God will heal them very well could die, and we must submit to the Lord's sovereignty in such matters. Yet, at the very least, they died in faith. Some of us here might have the faith to walk on water, for example, but God may not call us to walk the waves.
I am not stating that your father or anyone who wasn't healed didn't have "enough" faith. God is sovereign. I am distinguishing between hope and faith.
I am not blaming the victim as you might be thinking, I am simply addressing the difference between a person stating that God can heal them and another stating that He will. The person who believes that God will heal them very well could die, and we must submit to the Lord's sovereignty in such matters. Yet, at the very least, they died in faith. Some of us here might have the faith to walk on water, for example, but God may not call us to walk the waves.
I am not stating that your father or anyone who wasn't healed didn't have "enough" faith. God is sovereign. I am distinguishing between hope and faith.
No offense taken and I appreciate your sensitivity. I know what you are getting at.
When we move past blind faith to trust is usually when God moves on our behalf. Blind faith is really faith in our faith. Faith to trust means no matter what happens God is still Good, because oyu trust him with ANY outcome.
When we move past blind faith to trust is usually when God moves on our behalf. Blind faith is really faith in our faith. Faith to trust means no matter what happens God is still Good, because oyu trust him with ANY outcome.
If It up to me, with all problem oN earth, I choose to be with the Lord and free from my temporary body.
1 corinthians 5
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
In verse 8 Paul say he rather absent from the body(die)
And to be present with the Lord.
if we believe present with the Lord or die is more plesure than live oN earth, way we expected raise from the dead?
i heard the story about a pastor of the big church, he die of heart attact his member pray expect God raise him, they delayed burial for few days. But God not awaken him.
in the contrary, I listen to a testimony from ex muslim, he went to jail for leaving islam they tortur him every day, to the point till unconsious, one day he die during the torture, he meet Jesus and was very Happy there. But Jesus say, I want you to come back, be my witness. He cry, beg the Lord not to sent him back to the earth.
But God sent him back any way, Now he is famous preacher in Indonesia.
let think It over my sister
why we focus oN earthly healing or wealth, when we have some thing that million time better in heaven, why don't we longing to go there daster like what apostle Paul do
1 corinthians 5
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
In verse 8 Paul say he rather absent from the body(die)
And to be present with the Lord.
if we believe present with the Lord or die is more plesure than live oN earth, way we expected raise from the dead?
i heard the story about a pastor of the big church, he die of heart attact his member pray expect God raise him, they delayed burial for few days. But God not awaken him.
in the contrary, I listen to a testimony from ex muslim, he went to jail for leaving islam they tortur him every day, to the point till unconsious, one day he die during the torture, he meet Jesus and was very Happy there. But Jesus say, I want you to come back, be my witness. He cry, beg the Lord not to sent him back to the earth.
But God sent him back any way, Now he is famous preacher in Indonesia.
let think It over my sister
why we focus oN earthly healing or wealth, when we have some thing that million time better in heaven, why don't we longing to go there daster like what apostle Paul do
I'm in agreement with you. Am looking forward to being with Jesus and think about how awesome it will be each day. We get glimpses of the love and grace of God by His Holy Spirit ministering to our spirits. But the full extent of it can't be even compared since it will be that much better and higher and greater. But for now I try to be content to wait as He is with us showing the right path in all areas of need (while) we wait.
I prefer to say I'm ready to go as soon as He wants me. I'm looking forward to when Jesus returns for us in the clouds to meet with Him in the air!!! There are things in each of our personal lives that causes us to pray differently and more fervently for some things more than other things.
I may not pray for the same things you or the x-Muslim or the pastor who had a heart attack are praying for and vs/vs. God has made us individuals with different gifts and personalities and jobs and needs.
A sick person wants to be well.,,, a childless couple wants to have children.,. ,, a hungry person wants to be fed. A preacher wants to preach., Please lets not judge each other for praying for the different needs we have. Each of these people will find their needs met only in Christ. Our needs drive us to Him and He never sends us away empty. I know this to be true and think on it all the time.
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well of course that is wonderful, but not when you create a red herring stating that others here are not aware of the enlightenment you say you have had
I cannot stress enough, that many here have biblical understanding of our position in Christ
we are not behind you somewhere
it would seem we are way ahead of you and reject Prince's half truth teachings
I cannot stress enough, that many here have biblical understanding of our position in Christ
we are not behind you somewhere
it would seem we are way ahead of you and reject Prince's half truth teachings
Either you are deliberately naïve as to trials and tribulations and the power to overcome
or
you are being deliberately sarcastic.
Every healing and every miracle is to the glory of Jesus and the gospel.
Every healing is part of our testimony to the truth of the gospel and Jesus
our God who heals us through our faith in him.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation works patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Romans 5:
16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man
is renewed day by day.
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, works for us a far more exceeding
and eternal weight of glory;
2 Corinthians 4:
4 Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance
of his holiness.
5 For his anger endures but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night,
but joy comes in the morning.
Psalm 30:
4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith
in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy
of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Thesalonians 1:
or
you are being deliberately sarcastic.
Every healing and every miracle is to the glory of Jesus and the gospel.
Every healing is part of our testimony to the truth of the gospel and Jesus
our God who heals us through our faith in him.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation works patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Romans 5:
16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man
is renewed day by day.
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, works for us a far more exceeding
and eternal weight of glory;
2 Corinthians 4:
4 Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance
of his holiness.
5 For his anger endures but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night,
but joy comes in the morning.
Psalm 30:
4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith
in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy
of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Thesalonians 1:
That's how a lot of healing works. That's how we learn in these mortal bodies. It took us a long time in our unsaved state to be thoroughly convinced in our old minds about how to live life here on planet earth. Now as new creations IN Christ we have a new manner of living to learn about and as we put ON Christ., we put OFF those old habits of life that taught us to fend for ourselves, take care of ourselves by pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps.
God works with us where we are and grows us up to be what we were called to be. We have the promises bought and paid for. Now we go forward and have them by grace through faith... the same way we were saved by grace through faith.
Lot's of junk is in the world but that doesn't mean that junk is for us. The world., the flesh and the devil will still come at us but we have the helmet of salvation and the shield of faith to fend off the fiery darts of the wicked one. We are supposed to "resist" but when it comes to many things coming at Christians in this life., they do not resist because they were never taught how. Some Christians live lives as if they have no helmet and no faith like Heb.11:1 speaks of. We have things the unsaved man doesn't. Why do so many Christians just put down their armor and act like they are at the mercy of the world?
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absolutely
how about those who extend their entire life towards God and are not healed?
no one seems able to answer this one
there is no Scripture stating ALL will be healed or that we should blame the person if they are not healed
if you are not actually saying that, then you must know that some do state that it is not Gods will for anyone to be sick
do you agree with that?
There are many reasons and only God knows why some are not being healed because none of us can get inside the minds of someone else. We each have enough to do to walk our own faith out in all seriousness and single mindedness.
We actually have no business trying to walk in someone else's mind and faith. We only know about what the Lord is revealing to us through His Spirit. We are supposed to be working out our own salvation walk.., not other people's faith walk.
Years ago I wondered why we had such financial trouble while others were just fine. What was wrong with us?
We behaved like paupers without a Father or a Savior. We acted like Jesus let us down because we were too busy looking at everyone else. We were poor and wanting all the time.
The difference today? I don't look at other people. It's been a long hard road of living that way., comparing and measuring Jesus according to other people. This journey IS a personal one of learning about the love and grace of God. We each have to walk it or we will always be wondering. When we each go to meet the Lord., no one is going with us. Naked we came into this world and that is how we go out physically.
It's realizing the One on one relationship that gives the comfort., guidance and truth.,, Jesus is with us all through the process. But if we don't practice His presence we won't be aware of Him. Getting an appreciation for the One on one relationship is necessary or we will see ourselves as just a part of the crowd.
The apostle John knew Jesus loved him. John recorded it in his books calling himself the "disciple whom Jesus loved" John practiced the love of Jesus in his life. I see how important that is and I've followed John's example. My life has not been the same. The HolySpirit taught this to me through reading the Bible and hearing about the love of God in Christ preached over and over. My old manner of living had to be de-programmed. The Holy Spirit does that as we submit.
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I see you have no clue as to what I'm talking about ma'am.
For starters, I was talking about the promises of God that He gave to and for us to use. Like the one you might have used to receive Jesus as your lord and savior.
The first condition laid out for everyone is to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and second is to act on that belief by receiving Jesus as your personal savior. Once you, or anyone else, for that matter, does that, God does His part and the new birth takes place.
Again, if you do what God said to do, then God will do what He said or promised to do.
Has God ever failed to save anyone who did that which is written?
Of course not, so why would it be any different for healing concerning other promises He's made?
Since you don't know how the laws of faith work either, I'll let you know that you tell and direct God as to what is going to happen in your life every single day of your life. You just don't know it.
The bible is in part about the laws God has forever established. I search the bible to find out what those laws or truths are and how they work. One of those laws has to do with how you cause things to happen or manifest in both your life and that of your family's as well.
For example, God said that a good man will cause good things to manifest in the natural because he verbally speaks those good things with his mouth and an evil or corrupt man causes bad things to manifest in the natural because he does the same.
This is the law of faith and it doesn't matter if it is for good or evil, blessing or cursing, YOU are the one who sanctions it without asking God if it was His will or not.
So while you are accusing me of trying to control God, you unwittingly and hypocritically are doing the same.
For starters, I was talking about the promises of God that He gave to and for us to use. Like the one you might have used to receive Jesus as your lord and savior.
The first condition laid out for everyone is to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and second is to act on that belief by receiving Jesus as your personal savior. Once you, or anyone else, for that matter, does that, God does His part and the new birth takes place.
Again, if you do what God said to do, then God will do what He said or promised to do.
Has God ever failed to save anyone who did that which is written?
Of course not, so why would it be any different for healing concerning other promises He's made?
Since you don't know how the laws of faith work either, I'll let you know that you tell and direct God as to what is going to happen in your life every single day of your life. You just don't know it.
The bible is in part about the laws God has forever established. I search the bible to find out what those laws or truths are and how they work. One of those laws has to do with how you cause things to happen or manifest in both your life and that of your family's as well.
For example, God said that a good man will cause good things to manifest in the natural because he verbally speaks those good things with his mouth and an evil or corrupt man causes bad things to manifest in the natural because he does the same.
This is the law of faith and it doesn't matter if it is for good or evil, blessing or cursing, YOU are the one who sanctions it without asking God if it was His will or not.
So while you are accusing me of trying to control God, you unwittingly and hypocritically are doing the same.
I agree that sick person want heal or be with the Lord. But people like Paul wich experience visit to heaven, express his longing die soner. I live in a simple and cheap home, If one promise me to give million dollar home for free, I Will ask him to do It AS son AS posible.
I understand why Paul want to be with the Lord soner.
In the contrary, people like Paul may question why Christian pray for longer live oN earth? Is that because they think earth live is better than heavenly live? If so than he may not believe the Word.
Just found this awesome scripture Joanie..
Psa 68:19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.
Now, with benefits is added for clarity, but does it change anything to remove them? He loads us daily, the God of our Yeshua.
Jesus..
Deliverance, aid, victory, prosperity, health, help-ing, salvation, saving health, welfare.
[h=1]H3444[/h]
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
Total KJV occurrences: 78
Psa 68:19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.
Now, with benefits is added for clarity, but does it change anything to remove them? He loads us daily, the God of our Yeshua.
Jesus..
Deliverance, aid, victory, prosperity, health, help-ing, salvation, saving health, welfare.
[h=1]H3444[/h]
יְשׁוּעָה
y[SUP]e[/SUP]shû‛âhyesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
Total KJV occurrences: 78